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LinkPizza
06/01/18 11:00:49 AM
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I just learned that some of the people in Hawaii were told(or strongly advised is dome areas) to evacuate, or they could possibly face arrest. That's all...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hawaii-volcano-prompts-new-warning-heed-evacuation-order-or-face-arrest/ar-AAy6hhz?ocid=spartandhp
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Jen0125
06/01/18 11:08:18 AM
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I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.
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Kyuubi4269
06/01/18 11:14:36 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.

I don't understand why people won't play five finger fillet. They're just fingers.

Homes are serious business, if I bought a home and somebody wanted me to surrender it, I'd rather die too.
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Mead
06/01/18 11:14:36 AM
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If I thought lava was coming I would grab my wife and my dogs and leave.

I have very few defenses against lava. I could pee on it but I dont think that would really do anything.
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Miroku_of_Nite1
06/01/18 11:26:29 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.


They probably can't get volcano insurance on their homes/property. Basically their whole life is tied up in that land and they don't want to leave it and never come back.
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VeeVees
06/01/18 11:31:34 AM
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I don't understand why you need to force people to evacuate. If people want to die then let them.
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Kyuubi4269
06/01/18 11:34:08 AM
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SunWuKung420
06/01/18 11:34:43 AM
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I wouldn't have built my home in the shadow of a volcano to begin with.
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Jen0125
06/01/18 11:37:43 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.

I don't understand why people won't play five finger fillet. They're just fingers.

Homes are serious business, if I bought a home and somebody wanted me to surrender it, I'd rather die too.


Jeez, just get some fucking insurance it's not that serious.

You can get a new home. You can't get new fingers.
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Jen0125
06/01/18 11:38:05 AM
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Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.


They probably can't get volcano insurance on their homes/property. Basically their whole life is tied up in that land and they don't want to leave it and never come back.


It would be covered under your homeowners insurance because it's fire related.
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Kyuubi4269
06/01/18 11:40:35 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
I wouldn't have built my home in the shadow of a volcano to begin with.

With your logic we need to evacuate a huge chunk of the US population because they live in tornado alley.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Tornado_Alley.svg/1280px-Tornado_Alley.svg.png

These ones.
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SunWuKung420
06/01/18 11:44:26 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
I wouldn't have built my home in the shadow of a volcano to begin with.

With your logic we need to evacuate a huge chunk of the US population because they live in tornado alley.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Tornado_Alley.svg/1280px-Tornado_Alley.svg.png

These ones.


Yup. Post a common flood plains picture also.
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Miroku_of_Nite1
06/01/18 12:04:09 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.


They probably can't get volcano insurance on their homes/property. Basically their whole life is tied up in that land and they don't want to leave it and never come back.


It would be covered under your homeowners insurance because it's fire related.


Probably not in the case since it would be in a high risk zone. I got some coworkers who live in a area designated as a flood plain and they cant get flood insurance because of it.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/07/us/volcano-insurance-hawaii-homeowners/index.html

"It's not something that would be offered by many insurers," he said. "People who live in designated USGS lava zoned areas, trying to get coverage would be difficult. For insurer's perspective, it's what we call anti-selection -- the risk is just too high. The people who are buying [houses there] realize they live in a risk area."

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LinkPizza
06/01/18 12:22:55 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.

I don't understand why people won't play five finger fillet. They're just fingers.

Homes are serious business, if I bought a home and somebody wanted me to surrender it, I'd rather die too.


Jeez, just get some fucking insurance it's not that serious.

You can get a new home. You can't get new fingers.

Well, real fingers. But there are some nice prosthetics...
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Jen0125
06/01/18 12:28:55 PM
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Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.


They probably can't get volcano insurance on their homes/property. Basically their whole life is tied up in that land and they don't want to leave it and never come back.


It would be covered under your homeowners insurance because it's fire related.


Probably not in the case since it would be in a high risk zone. I got some coworkers who live in a area designated as a flood plain and they cant get flood insurance because of it.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/07/us/volcano-insurance-hawaii-homeowners/index.html

"It's not something that would be offered by many insurers," he said. "People who live in designated USGS lava zoned areas, trying to get coverage would be difficult. For insurer's perspective, it's what we call anti-selection -- the risk is just too high. The people who are buying [houses there] realize they live in a risk area."


There's national flood insurance provided by the government so they're not telling the truth. I would be willing to wager there is something similar for people who live in areas near volcanoes as well. And even if there isn't insurance your life and the lives of your family aren't worth a stupid house.
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Revelation34
06/01/18 1:00:46 PM
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VeeVees posted...
I don't understand why you need to force people to evacuate. If people want to die then let them.


I agree with this.
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Mead
06/01/18 1:09:10 PM
#17:


SunWuKung420 posted...
I wouldn't have built my home in the shadow of a volcano to begin with.


You couldnt build a treehouse
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adjl
06/01/18 1:11:36 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.


As I understand it, it's mostly a matter of wanting to deter looters. Obviously, being looted doesn't matter much if everything's going to burn up anyway, but I'm guessing people are holding themselves to a different risk threshold for that than the government has for issuing evacuation orders.

That said, saying "evacuate or be arrested" and barring anyone from entering the zone does conveniently eliminate the risk of looting, so that shouldn't be a concern anymore.
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SunWuKung420
06/01/18 1:16:16 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
*throws salt at mead*
*runs away*

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Krazy_Kirby
06/01/18 1:57:39 PM
#20:


the government can force you to leave an area if it's severe enough
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Ogurisama
06/01/18 2:10:38 PM
#21:


As soon as the first evacuation orders started coming, i would have started to pack my most important stuff.
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SunWuKung420
06/01/18 2:12:40 PM
#22:


Ogurisama posted...
As soon as the first evacuation orders started coming, i would have started to pack my most important stuff.


As soon as the island started spewing lava from the streets, I would have started my exfil of Hawaii.
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Ogurisama
06/01/18 2:14:55 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Ogurisama posted...
As soon as the first evacuation orders started coming, i would have started to pack my most important stuff.


As soon as the island started spewing lava from the streets, I would have started my exfil of Hawaii.

You could literally go to the other side of the island and not even notice there is an eruption
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Mead
06/01/18 2:16:09 PM
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Ogurisama posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
Ogurisama posted...
As soon as the first evacuation orders started coming, i would have started to pack my most important stuff.


As soon as the island started spewing lava from the streets, I would have started my exfil of Hawaii.

You could literally go to the other side of the island and not even notice there is an eruption


Not if you have to go through lava to get there
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Zeus
06/01/18 2:19:59 PM
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It is what it is. And it's arguably less arbitrary than certain building codes that also (ostentatiously) exist to protect the public against itself. The worst was in the UK where they tore down that farmer's castle

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/17/englishmans-castle-robert-fidler-demolition-folly

adjl posted...
That said, saying "evacuate or be arrested" and barring anyone from entering the zone does conveniently eliminate the risk of looting, so that shouldn't be a concern anymore.


It *reduces* the risk, it doesn't eliminate it. Looters can always find a way around it.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
I wouldn't have built my home in the shadow of a volcano to begin with.

With your logic we need to evacuate a huge chunk of the US population because they live in tornado alley.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Tornado_Alley.svg/1280px-Tornado_Alley.svg.png

These ones.


idk, with tornadoes you can just build underground. *Nothing* is going to save you from a volcano except not being anywhere near it.
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captpackrat
06/01/18 3:24:03 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
I wouldn't have built my home in the shadow of a volcano to begin with.

With your logic we need to evacuate a huge chunk of the US population because they live in tornado alley.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Tornado_Alley.svg/1280px-Tornado_Alley.svg.png

These ones.


The thing you have to remember about tornadoes is that odds of being hit by one are REALLY tiny, even in the heart of Tornado Alley.

Tonight in Nebraska they're predicting a 5% chance of a tornado. But that's within 25 miles (40 km) of any given point, which comes out to 1963.5 square miles (5085 sq km)! So there's only a 1 in 20 chance that a tornado, probably only 70 or 80 yards/meters wide, will touch down somewhere within nearly 2,000 square miles. Even if the chances were 100% for a tornado the odds are I'd still never even see it.

And the vast majority of tornadoes are EF0, with a wind gusts of less than 85 MPH (137 KPH) which would likely cause only superficial damage to properly-built structures. Only 21 people have been killed by EF0 tornadoes in the past 65 years.
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EvilMegas
06/01/18 3:24:49 PM
#27:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
I don't understand people who won't evacuate in these types of situations. It's just property.

I don't understand why people won't play five finger fillet. They're just fingers.

Homes are serious business, if I bought a home and somebody wanted me to surrender it, I'd rather die too.

God this was a dumb post. Bravo.
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Revelation34
06/01/18 3:59:14 PM
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captpackrat posted...
The thing you have to remember about tornadoes is that odds of being hit by one are REALLY tiny, even in the heart of Tornado Alley.

Tonight in Nebraska they're predicting a 5% chance of a tornado. But that's within 25 miles (40 km) of any given point, which comes out to 1963.5 square miles (5085 sq km)! So there's only a 1 in 20 chance that a tornado, probably only 70 or 80 yards/meters wide, will touch down somewhere within nearly 2,000 square miles. Even if the chances were 100% for a tornado the odds are I'd still never even see it.

And the vast majority of tornadoes are EF0, with a wind gusts of less than 85 MPH (137 KPH) which would likely cause only superficial damage to properly-built structures. Only 21 people have been killed by EF0 tornadoes in the past 65 years.


I would think that a volcanic eruption has less chance of happening than a tornado.
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Kyuubi4269
06/01/18 4:30:12 PM
#29:


Zeus posted...
idk, with tornadoes you can just build underground. *Nothing* is going to save you from a volcano except not being anywhere near it.

Can you not go underground for a volcano? I mean the lava isn't digging.
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Dikitain
06/01/18 4:35:50 PM
#30:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Zeus posted...
idk, with tornadoes you can just build underground. *Nothing* is going to save you from a volcano except not being anywhere near it.

Can you not go underground for a volcano? I mean the lava isn't digging.

Assuming you don't burn alive from lava covering your house, how do you plan to get out from under a foot of molten rock? Can't move it while it is warm because it will melt pretty much anything it touches, and can't move it once it is cooled because it is literally a foot of solid rock at that point.
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EvilMegas
06/01/18 5:09:16 PM
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You gave him a serious answer, lmao
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adjl
06/01/18 7:15:23 PM
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Zeus posted...
It *reduces* the risk, it doesn't eliminate it. Looters can always find a way around it.


Arresting anyone in the area on sight is a pretty sizable reduction. It certainly reduces it to the point where "your house will be intact and looters will have taken your stuff when you return" is a smaller risk than "your house will be buried by lava and you will die."
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captpackrat
06/01/18 10:07:56 PM
#33:


Revelation34 posted...

I would think that a volcanic eruption has less chance of happening than a tornado.


You'd be surprised how many volcanoes there are in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_the_United_States

Mount Rainier is considered one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world and could produce a massive lahar that would threaten millions in the Seattle-Tacoma area and the ash could cause disruptions from San Francisco to Vancouver.

And then there are the supervolcanos like the Long Valley Caldera or the Yellowstone Caldera, which could erupt with the force of 1000 Mount St. Helens
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SunWuKung420
06/01/18 10:16:31 PM
#34:


captpackrat posted...
Revelation34 posted...

I would think that a volcanic eruption has less chance of happening than a tornado.


You'd be surprised how many volcanoes there are in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_the_United_States

Mount Rainier is considered one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world and could produce a massive lahar that would threaten millions in the Seattle-Tacoma area and the ash could cause disruptions from San Francisco to Vancouver.

And then there are the supervolcanos like the Long Valley Caldera or the Yellowstone Caldera, which could erupt with the force of 1000 Mount St. Helens


There's the colima volcano that has been active since 2013.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volc%C3%A1n_de_Colima

But, typically, tornados cause more damage yearly.
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Revelation34
06/02/18 11:28:00 AM
#35:


captpackrat posted...
Revelation34 posted...

I would think that a volcanic eruption has less chance of happening than a tornado.


You'd be surprised how many volcanoes there are in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_the_United_States

Mount Rainier is considered one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world and could produce a massive lahar that would threaten millions in the Seattle-Tacoma area and the ash could cause disruptions from San Francisco to Vancouver.

And then there are the supervolcanos like the Long Valley Caldera or the Yellowstone Caldera, which could erupt with the force of 1000 Mount St. Helens


Ok? That still doesn't take away from what I said. Volcanoes erupt like once every so often. Tornadoes happen yearly.
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