Board 8 > Racist YouTubers egg on black family at Denny's, get confronted, cower, and

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Quite a bit different seeing this and knowing something might be up than the original post's video.
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redrocket posted...

ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

Not an argument

This guy's cute. He thinks we're interested in arguing with him, LOL!

Then you're trolling/flaming. How cute.
Enjoy your karma loss.
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lol
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ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

redrocket posted...

ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

Not an argument

This guy's cute. He thinks we're interested in arguing with him, LOL!

Then you're trolling/flaming. How cute.
Enjoy your karma loss.

LOL
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ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

redrocket posted...

ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

Not an argument

This guy's cute. He thinks we're interested in arguing with him, LOL!

Then you're trolling/flaming. How cute.
Enjoy your karma loss.

Whose terrible alt is this?
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Username reminds me of this one other user a few years back, who tried to set up two topics about how his sister got kidnapped and had an epic story of how it played out. Except nobody else posted in the first topic and the second topic everybody just laughed at his BS.

Though this one is made on March 2018 so probably just a similar username
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Natwaf_akidna posted...

Username reminds me of this one other user a few years back, who tried to set up two topics about how his sister got kidnapped and had an epic story of how it played out. Except nobody else posted in the first topic and the second topic everybody just laughed at his BS.

Though this one is made on March 2018 so probably just a similar username

You're sharp.
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No he's Natwaf.
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CeraSeptem posted...

ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

redrocket posted...

ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

Not an argument

This guy's cute. He thinks we're interested in arguing with him, LOL!

Then you're trolling/flaming. How cute.
Enjoy your karma loss.

Whose terrible alt is this?

Im going to guess guiga

Sup dude hows lombard
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I was in an AIM thingy with the dude years ago so if it's an alt it's a particularly sneaky one.

or one who has decided to imitate a super obscure dude that probably two people here remember
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The Real World started in 1992, and that's in the same vein as the Kardashians. Truman Show came out in like 97 or 98.

I think that there's something to be said about the social media takeover turning individuals into "content creators" though.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I was in an AIM thingy with the dude years ago so if it's an alt it's a particularly sneaky one.

or one who has decided to imitate a super obscure dude that probably two people here remember

I mean
I literally used my old username but changed one of the references to the sequel
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SeabassDebeste posted...

The Real World started in 1992, and that's in the same vein as the Kardashians. Truman Show came out in like 97 or 98.

I mean one example even if it was popular and a movie that's you know...scripted isn't a trend.

The mid 00s saw a huge increase in shows like we're describing. How many shows between 92 and 06/07ish are similar to real world and had popularity close to it, kardashians, housewives, jersey shore, etc. I mention the bachelor/ette which debuted in 02/03, but ratings of that show were declining from season 2 in 2002 until season 10 in....2007 when it hit a second stride.
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I guess maybe the rise of court room shows throughout the 90s is a decent counter point to what I'm saying, but it's a stretch because mostly just old people watch that stuff or kids now that everyone can find 5 minute YouTube clips...
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yeah, the truman show and edtv weren't representations of what the world was like in the late '90s - they were more like dystopian works of fiction ("man what if the world was like this?"). edtv ended up predicting irl streaming pretty accurately.
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You know that every once in awhile someone in some boardroom suggests doing The Truman Show but for real.

"No seriously we just adopt a kid, how hard can it be."
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Metal_DK posted...

I mean one example even if it was popular and a movie that's you know...scripted isn't a trend.

I mean the initial point was "stuff like this has existed for awhile already" in reply to ExTha saying the concept of watching somebody stream their life was new and dumb, and stuff like Real World and Road Rules were REALLY popular so... I'm not sure how the initial point is wrong?
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HashtagSEP posted...

I mean the initial point was "stuff like this has existed for awhile already" in reply to ExTha saying the concept of watching somebody stream their life was new and dumb, and stuff like Real World and Road Rules were REALLY popular so... I'm not sure how the initial point is wrong?

The point is those are shows that are scripted, know what is happening when they tune in, and still have plots and what not. This I suppose has a plot (being racist at a dennys), but it can and will have consequences to people involved. It's significantly different because of the people involved thus it's different from something like kardashians or other reality tv
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Metal_DK posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

I mean the initial point was "stuff like this has existed for awhile already" in reply to ExTha saying the concept of watching somebody stream their life was new and dumb, and stuff like Real World and Road Rules were REALLY popular so... I'm not sure how the initial point is wrong?

The point is those are shows that are scripted, know what is happening when they tune in, and still have plots and what not. This I suppose has a plot (being racist at a dennys), but it can and will have consequences to people involved. It's significantly different because of the people involved thus it's different from something like kardashians or other reality tv

Real World literally had people get their faces broken from the "scripted" confrontations, so I mean... That sounds like consequences. That show had scripted "storylines," but most of the douchebaggery they did in public was real

I know you really wanna push the CR in every situation, but you may just want to concede this point, dude
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Big Brother has had live feeds for almost 20 years but I guess watching someone do normal mundane things is new
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HashtagSEP posted...

Real World literally had people get their faces broken from the "scripted" confrontations, so I mean... That sounds like consequences. That show had scripted "storylines," but most of the douchebaggery they did in public was real

I know you really wanna push the CR in every situation, but you may just want to concede this point, dude

Ya between people on the fucking show. The real world on MTV was never "walk up to randos and punch them in the face" that would be lawsuit city. This is "IRL streaming let's just say racist shut under the guise of were being characters!"

This isn't 2k7. This is the next era. I've said this at least 5 times. The CRO2K7 lead to a lot of this though. You haven't said anything that hasn't been refuted.
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Metal_DK posted...

Ya between people on the fucking show. The real world on MTV was never "walk up to randos and punch them in the face" that would be lawsuit city. This is "IRL streaming let's just say racist shut under the guise of were being characters!"

This literally happened, but the injury happened to the cast member. A drunk cast member went looking for another drunk cast member outside of a bar, got in a fight with somebody completely random, and got his orbital socket busted.

You're wrong, dude. It literally happened, more than once. People on Real World were douchebags in public to/around real people and faced consequences. MTV typically avoided lawsuits because the cast members were literally just being douchebags and weren't told to do most of the shit they did.
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You are using such small snippets when there is now thousands of hours of video content uploaded quickly these days

Your "it happened on real world I mentioned one time and I think it happened others" in comparison to thousands of hours of content that is being uploaded daily of this stuff now as irl streaming. It's a different time, your one real world (and somebody trying to use the Truman show...really?) example vs hours now due to the events of 2007 to 2016

Also when people say "you're wrong" like that, I tend to think they are saying it to reassure themselves more than anything else. It's a new era. 2007 through 2016 saw the beginnings of this. The past few years is the new CR2.0
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And give me like 10 examples of real world cast members having incidents like that between people NOT on the show. I can probably show you 10 in the past month.

Give me some besides your vague story to make the claim that it was happening a lot. It wasn't happening a lot. It was ahead of its time, don't get me wrong. The real world was definitely ahead of its time in many ways, TV historians all know this...
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Metal_DK posted...

You are using such small snippets when there is now thousands of video content of it happening now.

i watch plenty of irl streams and none of them contain kids purposefully acting like douchebags. i can't imagine that kind of streaming being that popular.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Metal_DK posted...

You are using such small snippets when there is now thousands of video content of it happening now.

i watch plenty of irl streams and none of them contain kids purposefully acting like douchebags. i can't imagine that kind of streaming being that popular.

I'm sure there are way more reasonably acting people than not, what's your point? He'll admitting you partaking in the trend of irl streams proves my point. This is the new era.

Again, you guys think I'm saying irl streams are evil and whatnot. I'm saying this is the new era. Bad shit will come from it at times and can be a product of ot, but often perfectly reasonable content will happen. Same with the 07 through 16 era
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Dude, you keep moving the goal posts

ExTha acted like watching people live their lives/be douchebags in public was some new thing. I said it's not, that it has existed for awhile. Real World is literally the perfect example. And you can say "Well, that's only one!" but it was a very, very popular show, so it's a huuuge "one."

You're now trying to move the goal posts to "Well, it wasn't as often as today!" and blah blah blah because you just can't stand to not have your "The Casual Revolution of 2007 caused this" narrative fit literally every negative.

Give it a rest.
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Metal_DK posted...

I'm sure there are way more reasonably acting people than not, what's your point?

i'm responding to your argument that there's a difference between one fight on the real world and the "thousands of hours of video content" that exist now. it's not like those thousands of hours consist of people playing characters and getting into fights with randos. again, i watch a lot of irl streams (of course my experience is still anecdotal by default - i'm just one guy and i can't watch thousands of streams), and in my experience what happened in the video in the opening post is quite rare and not par for the course for an irl stream. so your "thousands of hours" point isn't really relevant to the argument.

if you were just making the point that in this era the amount of people who film their own lives is a gazillion times bigger than in the days of the real world, sure, that's true. pretty sure nobody - including SEP - is denying that.
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I haven't moved any posts. Real world isn't an example because they were acting like pricks in a specific environment.

YOU moved the goalpost. I said these irl streams see people doing this to completely random people on their stream. People tune in 100% for these encounters, even donating money to it.

NOBODY tuned into the real world for fights with somebody not on the show. They tuned into a semi scripted environment. If a fight like that happened I'm sure MTV wanted the footage (did that orbital bone breaking between a non person on the show who probably still had an idea what was going on air on the episode...if so you got your one example!)

You now say "well one time a cast member got in a fight with somebody not related to the show", as some shitty gotcha attempt, and what? OK? That's what the real worlds entire premise was? People NOT on the show? Nah
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

if you were just making the point that in this era the amount of people who film their own lives is a gazillion times bigger than in the days of the real world, sure, that's true. pretty sure nobody - including SEP - is denying that.

Yeah, I never denied that. I simply said it has existed for awhile/isn't new, and somehow that was a "Now hold for phone, CR2007!" moment
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Metal_DK posted...

NOBODY tuned into the real world for fights with somebody not on the show. They tuned into a semi scripted environment.

Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. People specifically tuned into Real World because it WASN'T scripted most of the time and they wanted to see wild and crazy shit happen that nobody was expecting. Nobody wanted to see the cast members sit around the house and recite lines
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HashtagSEP posted...

Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. People specifically tuned into Real World because it WASN'T scripted most of the time and they wanted to see wild and crazy shit happen that nobody was expecting. Nobody wanted to see the cast members sit around the house and recite lines

Most of the time, there still was plenty of guidelines and AGAIN it was between a bunch of people who knew what was going on damnit. This is the key thing you keep ignoring. Puck and whoever he pissed off were there and KNEW what was going on and how MTV wanted that drama. Cmon
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can y'all just agree that they're related but different
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Metal_DK posted...

You now say "well one time a cast member got in a fight with somebody not related to the show", as some shitty gotcha attempt, and what? OK? That's what the real worlds entire premise was? People NOT on the show? Nah

extha never talked about the premise of the real world/the channel of the douchebag kids, though. he said "people tune in to watch someone else's life for once I think metal dk is right." he didn't say "man, there's an irl streaming channel with the premise of people getting into fights with randos? for once i think metal dk is right!"

seems like you're putting words into extha's mouth (this was the "moving the goalposts" SEP was talking about) to make it seem as if SEP was unreasonable for attacking him.
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Again you are ignoring the scripted elements of reality TV vs irl streams
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Many people who have been on Real World have gone on record saying very, very little of it is scripted and it's mostly just that they specifically cast certain types of people that they know will clash/cause drama and then film them so long that they start to wear down and act more natural/crazy. So this whole "scripted elements vs irl streams" isn't really as big of a difference as you think, since it still amounts to putting specific people that you know will cause drama in public places and then filming what happens, and that's pretty much what the irl streams like the one in this topic are doing. They're going in public places and causing drama and filming what happens.
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The drama is almost always between others on the show, the places they go to film know they are coming, and people often know they are coming there as well...it's a lot more controlled than irl streams....a LOT more
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Metal_DK posted...

The drama is almost always between others on the show, the places they go to film know they are coming, and people often know they are coming there as well...it's a lot more controlled than irl streams....a LOT more

Why does it matter if the drama is between others on the show if it's still impacting people around them? The drama that got the guy punched was between others in the show. Hell, one season they purposely put a racist into the house with several black people and then put them in a pre-dominantly black neighborhood to see what'd happen. Just because the racist was often saying racist things to their fellow cast members didn't stop other people from overhearing it and being effected/often having to be stopped from getting involved/etc. Their "control" is "Make sure nobody gets killed" and even then that control fails because recently MTV was sued for one of the cast members being sexually assaulted.

Most of the interactions between castmates aren't scripted. They just do what they can during casting to make sure such interactions happen by stacking the cast with personalities that clash and then providing alcohol and an environment it can thrive in.

You're trying to over-emphasize the "scripted" nature of it when it comes down to the same thing: People being douchebags in public for a reaction and filming it, whether they chose to go there purposely or were sent there by a production company that knew it'd cause shit to happen.
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Snooki getting punched the **** out was super real

Anyways, the big thing going on here is that Metal DK has this preconceived notion about reality TV - it's not real. It's all staged and scripted or mostly scripted. Survivor or The Real World or Pawn Stars or whatever - it's all the same. And I totally get why. A lot of shows like Pawn Stars or those paranormal ghost hunting shows or Property Brothers ARE basically completely staged and scripted. It'd be a big waste of time if nothing interesting happened... so they just script something interesting happening.

But there are lots of really big reality TV shows that aren't scripted. He's grudgingly conceding that Survivor has to be a little bit real because of the prize money, but he probably really does believe that it's almost all scripted. I thought the same thing about shows like Big Brother and Survivor until I started watching them a few years ago.... and while at times they are put into certain scenarios that will force them to act a certain way, like challenges, tribal councils, or given an advantage with a note that they have to read, or are asked questions in confessionals, 90% of the time it's all just completely real interactions.

Big Brother literally proves this with live feeds - you can tune in and watch what the houseguests are doing 24/7. You can watch them eat lunch or brush their teeth or talk strategy or play pattycake. There's no doubt about it - it's real and it has been doing this for almost 20 years, just like a lot of the other major cornerstones of American Reality TV like Survivor, The Amazing Race, The Real World, Ameerican Idol etc, which are all pretty real competitions. These shows don't script what's happening to make sure things are interesting - they've created a structure that's basically going to be interesting no matter what. Sure, they can throw monkey wrenches into what's happening by adding twists to the game or whatever and seeing how the contestants react to that, but it doesn't make it not real.

The big thing that you just need to understand is what's called the "edit". The things happening are very real - but the showrunner can decide how it is all cut together and shown on TV. They can show an event and portray it with a different tone than what actually happened. Big Brother has their feet held to the fire on this - we are watching the live feeds and can immediately point out when they portray things differently on the show. But ultimately, these shows are meant to entertain and they always just try to portray what happened in the most entertaining way possible.

Is that the same as scripting? No, I wouldn't say so.

Anyway, Metal DK seems to ultimately not respect reality TV so his opinion isn't going to change. He doesn't really believe they are real, *and* he's gotten lost arguing a point that doesn't really matter too much - live streaming *is* a new platform for this kind of content that we are seeing picked up more and more, and people are often creatively applying it in new ways. But... it's still just a new platform for something we've already had on TV for 20 years. It doesn't really matter that it's slightly different or being picked up by a couple new demographics - gamers mostly right now but also vloggers targetting children.
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That's a reach. First off MTV had people there to protect anyone involved over somebody saying racist shit in public and I'm sure people who overheard it were like "oh a bunch of people from MTV are everywhere" and immediately the situation goes down a few notches in scope.

Second, the fact that the show alone interviews all these people and picks weird match ups is already shows a large scripted element that is different from irl streaming. I think you underestimate a lot of the scripting and planning of this.
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CoolCly posted...

Big Brother literally proves this with live feeds - you can tune in and watch what the houseguests are doing 24/7. You can watch them eat lunch or brush their teeth or talk strategy or play pattycake. There's no doubt about it - it's real and it has been doing this for almost 20 years

And yet, they don't allow you to see the Diary Rooms, where the producers do script things for them.
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CoolCly posted...

Big Brother literally proves this with live feeds - you can tune in and watch what the houseguests are doing 24/7.

yeah i remember this - the first season of dutch big brother didn't have live feeds yet but the reality show that followed it (it was called "the bus," translated in english) did. SUPER ahead of its time - it was exactly like irl streaming. the only differences were that 1) there was no chat, and 2) it was in a controlled environment. there were no confrontations with randos, which would make it different from the douchebag kids video (as metal_dk keeps pointing out). but on the other hand it was more real than the video because unlike the kids, the people on the show weren't playing characters. it's pretty much impossible to play a character 24/7 without interruption (unless you're jared leto method acting as the joker or something).
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Metal_DK posted...

Second, the fact that the show alone interviews all these people and picks weird match ups is already shows a large scripted element that is different from irl streaming.

...How is this any different?

"Let's make sure we get some people that will cause a scene"
vs.
"Let's go cause a scene together"
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HashtagSEP posted...

Metal_DK posted...

Second, the fact that the show alone interviews all these people and picks weird match ups is already shows a large scripted element that is different from irl streaming.

...How is this any different?

"Let's make sure we get some people that will cause a scene"
vs.
"Let's go cause a scene together"

-Controlled selection of people to piss off each other
-Controlled environment of where it occurs
-Protection immediately available for any time randos could be in the crossfire
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Metal_DK posted...

-Controlled selection of people to poss off each other
-Controlled environment of where it occurs
-Protection immediately available for any time randos could be in the crossfire

-This is still pretending that either other people overhearing/witnessing the acts just don't get pissed off, or they're filling the bars/such with actors, which is false.
-See above. If it's so "controlled," the cast members wouldn't be getting assaulted.
-See above.

I think Cly's right, you're just never going to accept anything other than your preconceived notions of reality TV.
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Cast members weren't assulted in a non protective environment. And people in bars still had a general premise of what was going on and realized MTV was there

I think you never moved on to grow up and realize that reality TV is a lot of bullshit, even the real world due to protections that you neglect. If you want to go that route of discussion fine.
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HashtagSEP posted...

Dude, you keep moving the goal posts

ExTha acted like watching people live their lives/be douchebags in public was some new thing. I said it's not, that it has existed for awhile. Real World is literally the perfect example. And you can say "Well, that's only one!" but it was a very, very popular show, so it's a huuuge "one."

You're now trying to move the goal posts to "Well, it wasn't as often as today!" and blah blah blah because you just can't stand to not have your "The Casual Revolution of 2007 caused this" narrative fit literally every negative.

Give it a rest.

To be fair, Real World has given us The Miz.

What has Twitch Real Life streaming given us?
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Yeah man they scripted sexual assault and some guy almost losing vision in his eye

Sure man Casual Revolution whooooo
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ExThaNemesis posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

Dude, you keep moving the goal posts

ExTha acted like watching people live their lives/be douchebags in public was some new thing. I said it's not, that it has existed for awhile. Real World is literally the perfect example. And you can say "Well, that's only one!" but it was a very, very popular show, so it's a huuuge "one."

You're now trying to move the goal posts to "Well, it wasn't as often as today!" and blah blah blah because you just can't stand to not have your "The Casual Revolution of 2007 caused this" narrative fit literally every negative.

Give it a rest.

To be fair, Real World has given us The Miz.

What has Twitch Real Life streaming given us?

Now THIS is a point I cannot refute
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