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tennisdude818 06/04/18 6:55:18 PM #1:	http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/diversity-staff-university-michigan-nearly-100-full-time-employees Year after year, media note and sometimes bemoan the ballooning cost of higher education. There is no doubt that the human costs of this rise are severe: Some 44 million Americans currently carry nearly $1.5 trillion in student loan debt, and the delinquency rate is 11 percent. There are various reasons for surging costs, but the primary one is the remarkable expansion of university administration in recent decades. As Paul Campos, a law professor at the University of Colorado, wrote in the New York Times a few years ago: According to the Department of Education data, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent between 1993 and 2009, which Bloomberg reported was 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions. Even more strikingly, an analysis by a professor at California Polytechnic University, Pomona, found that, while the total number of full-time faculty members in the C.S.U. system grew from 11,614 to 12,019 between 1975 and 2008, the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 a 221 percent increase. Universities are large and require administrators to function, of course. The problem is there seems to be no end to the expansion. This point was recently illustrated by Mark Perry, an economics professor at the University of Michigan-Flint. Perry, who also is a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, used the University of Michigan as an example to highlight the rise of diversicrats (diversity bureaucrats) on todays campuses. The numbers are astonishing. 1. The University of Michigan currently employs a diversity staff of nearly 100 (93) full-time diversity administrators, officers, directors, vice-provosts, deans, consultants, specialists, investigators, managers, executive assistants, administrative assistants, analysts, and coordinators. 2. More than one-quarter (26) of these diversicrats earn annual salaries of more than $100,000, and the total payroll for this small army is $8.4 million. When you add to cash salaries an estimated 32.45% for UMs very generous fringe benefit package for the average employee in this group (retirement, health care, dental insurance, life insurance, long-term disability, paid leave, paid vacation, social security, unemployment insurance, Medicare, etc.) the total employee compensation for this group tops $11 million per year. And of course that doesnt count the cost of office space, telephones, computers and printers, printing, postage, programs, training, or travel expenses. If you fell out of your chair upon realizing that the University of Michigan has a full-time diversity staff of nearly one hundred employees, one of whom earns more than the president of the United States, you can be forgiven. I nearly did too. Weve previously noted that the diversity movement is taking on certain aspects of religious faith. It appears, however, that we missed a similarity: Like the priests of ancient Egypt who amassed huge fortunes for themselves and the medieval popes who sold forgiveness and indulgences, the diversity faithful have found profit in their beliefs. In many ways the modern American university resembles the medieval cathedralsomething that began as beautiful but became a monstrosity when its true purpose was lost. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:902550480] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/diversity-staff-university-michigan-nearly-100-full-time-employees <quote>Year after year, media note and sometimes bemoan the ballooning cost of higher education. There is no doubt that the human costs of this rise are severe: Some 44 million Americans currently carry nearly $1.5 trillion in student loan debt, and the delinquency rate is 11 percent. There are various reasons for surging costs, but the primary one is the remarkable expansion of university administration in recent decades. As Paul Campos, a law professor at the University of Colorado, wrote in the New York Times a few years ago: According to the Department of Education data, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent between 1993 and 2009, which Bloomberg reported was 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions. Even more strikingly, an analysis by a professor at California Polytechnic University, Pomona, found that, while the total number of full-time faculty members in the C.S.U. system grew from 11,614 to 12,019 between 1975 and 2008, the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 a 221 percent increase. Universities are large and require administrators to function, of course. The problem is there seems to be no end to the expansion. This point was recently illustrated by Mark Perry, an economics professor at the University of Michigan-Flint. Perry, who also is a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, used the University of Michigan as an example to highlight the rise of diversicrats (diversity bureaucrats) on todays campuses. The numbers are astonishing. 1. The University of Michigan currently employs a diversity staff of nearly 100 (93) full-time diversity administrators, officers, directors, vice-provosts, deans, consultants, specialists, investigators, managers, executive assistants, administrative assistants, analysts, and coordinators. 2. More than one-quarter (26) of these diversicrats earn annual salaries of more than $100,000, and the total payroll for this small army is $8.4 million. When you add to cash salaries an estimated 32.45% for UMs very generous fringe benefit package for the average employee in this group (retirement, health care, dental insurance, life insurance, long-term disability, paid leave, paid vacation, social security, unemployment insurance, Medicare, etc.) the total employee compensation for this group tops $11 million per year. And of course that doesnt count the cost of office space, telephones, computers and printers, printing, postage, programs, training, or travel expenses. If you fell out of your chair upon realizing that the University of Michigan has a full-time diversity staff of nearly one hundred employees, one of whom earns more than the president of the United States, you can be forgiven. I nearly did too. Weve previously noted that the diversity movement is taking on certain aspects of religious faith. It appears, however, that we missed a similarity: Like the priests of ancient Egypt who amassed huge fortunes for themselves and the medieval popes who sold forgiveness and indulgences, the diversity faithful have found profit in their beliefs. In many ways the modern American university resembles the medieval cathedralsomething that began as beautiful but became a monstrosity when its true purpose was lost. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 06/04/18 6:57:03 PM #2:	But the president has his own company and earns more from that. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:902550583] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>But the president has his own company and earns more from that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/04/18 7:17:26 PM #3:	the laser focus on diversity staff does not seem to have a strong basis while UM seems likely to be wasting money on so many highly paid diversity administrators, and administrators in general are clearly far too numerous, i don't think we can conclude that it is 'diversity' that is behind the massive overrun of administrative costs at universities. that is not out-and-out stated by the article but it is the intended conclusion for the reader still, easy to criticize UM's. i would then wonder how much of the total administrative staff (12,118) are diversity officers of some kind. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:902551746] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>the laser focus on diversity staff does not seem to have a strong basis while UM seems likely to be wasting money on so many highly paid diversity administrators, and administrators in general are clearly far too numerous, i don't think we can conclude that it is 'diversity' that is behind the massive overrun of administrative costs at universities. that is not out-and-out stated by the article but it is the intended conclusion for the reader still, easy to criticize UM's. i would then wonder how much of the total administrative staff (12,118) are diversity officers of some kind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:18:24 PM #4:	how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902551811] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 06/04/18 7:20:22 PM #5:	100 employees for diversity staff? You only need 5 at best. What kind of racket the University of Michigan is running? I wonder if this university will be the next Evergreen. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:902551932] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>100 employees for diversity staff? You only need 5 at best. What kind of racket the University of Michigan is running? I wonder if this university will be the next Evergreen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 06/04/18 7:21:13 PM #6:	If you have more administrators than actual staff...you are pretty much a blackhole of beauractatic waste. --- https://imgur.com/cfZmEFd Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:902551987] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>If you have more administrators than actual staff...you are pretty much a blackhole of beauractatic waste.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/04/18 7:22:14 PM #7:	Hop103 posted... 100 employees for diversity staff? You only need 0 at best. ftfy --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:902552048] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote>100 employees for diversity staff? You only need 0 at best.</quote> ftfy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 06/04/18 7:22:21 PM #8:	FLUFFYGERM posted... how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions? Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:902552056] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions?</quote> Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 06/04/18 7:24:11 PM #9:	tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions? Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program. this keep you in debt, keep you a slave. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:902552172] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions?</quote> Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program.</quote> this keep you in debt, keep you a slave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:26:01 PM #10:	solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902552289] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/04/18 7:26:52 PM #11:	one of the more troubling things about student loans is that they tend to provide significantly more than the student truly needs for cost of living expenses and without proper financial literacy education they tend to just use it all, not understanding the implications of running up that debt --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:902552335] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>one of the more troubling things about student loans is that they tend to provide significantly more than the student truly needs for cost of living expenses and without proper financial literacy education they tend to just use it all, not understanding the implications of running up that debt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:27:58 PM #12:	Darkman124 posted... one of the more troubling things about student loans is that they tend to provide significantly more than the student truly needs for cost of living expenses and without proper financial literacy education they tend to just use it all, not understanding the implications of running up that debt better let them use it on gender studies!!! --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902552405] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>one of the more troubling things about student loans is that they tend to provide significantly more than the student truly needs for cost of living expenses and without proper financial literacy education they tend to just use it all, not understanding the implications of running up that debt</quote> better let them use it on gender studies!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/18 7:29:31 PM #13:	FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:902552502] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:31:37 PM #14:	Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia. i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902552619] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia.</quote> i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 06/04/18 7:33:43 PM #15:	FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:902552733] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:35:39 PM #16:	tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down. but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902552853] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down.</quote> but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 06/04/18 7:39:58 PM #17:	FLUFFYGERM posted... tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down. but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it Maybe the government could just directly pay the tuition instead of making money off of the debt speculation and the economy therein that incentivizes more and bigger loans. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:902553097] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down.</quote> but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it</quote> Maybe the government could just directly pay the tuition instead of making money off of the debt speculation and the economy therein that incentivizes more and bigger loans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 06/04/18 7:41:08 PM #18:	isn't it a good thing that they're creating jobs? --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:902553167] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>isn't it a good thing that they're creating jobs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:41:55 PM #19:	HylianFox posted... isn't it a good thing that they're creating jobs? Should we pay people huge salaries and benefits to dig up ditches and then fill them up? Since we'd be creating jobs? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902553207] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote>isn't it a good thing that they're creating jobs?</quote> Should we pay people huge salaries and benefits to dig up ditches and then fill them up? Since we'd be creating jobs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 06/04/18 7:42:28 PM #20:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Should we pay people huge salaries and benefits to dig up ditches and then fill them up? I'd do it --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:902553240] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Should we pay people huge salaries and benefits to dig up ditches and then fill them up?</quote> I'd do it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:43:02 PM #21:	HylianFox posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Should we pay people huge salaries and benefits to dig up ditches and then fill them up? I'd do it Damn I thought you were smarter than this --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902553275] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Should we pay people huge salaries and benefits to dig up ditches and then fill them up?</quote> I'd do it</quote> Damn I thought you were smarter than this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 06/04/18 7:43:58 PM #22:	Darkman124 posted... while UM seems likely to be wasting money on so many highly paid diversity administrators, and administrators in general are clearly far too numerous, i don't think we can conclude that it is 'diversity' that is behind the massive overrun of administrative costs at universities. This by the boatload. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:902553330] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>while UM seems likely to be wasting money on so many highly paid diversity administrators, and administrators in general are clearly far too numerous, i don't think we can conclude that it is 'diversity' that is behind the massive overrun of administrative costs at universities.</quote> This by the boatload.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/18 7:44:26 PM #23:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia. i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals That is not the case I'm making. I'm saying gender studies is useful, just not at the bachelor's or undergrad level. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:902553356] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia.</quote> i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals</quote> That is not the case I'm making. I'm saying gender studies is useful, just not at the bachelor's or undergrad level.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 06/04/18 7:44:49 PM #24:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Damn I thought you were smarter than this getting paid to dig and fill holes? Seems smart to me --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:902553374] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Damn I thought you were smarter than this</quote> getting paid to dig and fill holes? Seems smart to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:46:04 PM #25:	Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia. i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals That is not the case I'm making. I'm saying gender studies is useful, just not at the bachelor's or undergrad level. gender studies is garbage, broseph. for people who are too lazy to learn a real skill --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902553441] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia.</quote> i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals</quote> That is not the case I'm making. I'm saying gender studies is useful, just not at the bachelor's or undergrad level.</quote> gender studies is garbage, broseph. for people who are too lazy to learn a real skill</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/18 7:51:23 PM #26:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia. i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals That is not the case I'm making. I'm saying gender studies is useful, just not at the bachelor's or undergrad level. gender studies is garbage, broseph. for people who are too lazy to learn a real skill Academia teaches you things like how to properly conduct research and write a good paper for publication. Those are not useless skills. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:902553765] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> I saw a good idea a while back that suggested programs like gender studies should only be available at the Ph.D. level as they have practically no use outside of academia.</quote> i mean youre basically making an argument for why most academics are worthless individuals</quote> That is not the case I'm making. I'm saying gender studies is useful, just not at the bachelor's or undergrad level.</quote> gender studies is garbage, broseph. for people who are too lazy to learn a real skill</quote> Academia teaches you things like how to properly conduct research and write a good paper for publication. Those are not useless skills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 06/04/18 7:52:15 PM #27:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down. but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it Maybe the government could just directly pay the tuition instead of making money off of the debt speculation and the economy therein that incentivizes more and bigger loans. That seems inefficient, and I don't see why everybody has to go to college. If we let the market bring prices down and eliminate excess degrees, a lot of jobs would be filled without requiring college degrees. I don't even need to pick on the low hanging fruit like gender studies because something like Business Administration is probably unnecessary for many jobs as well. Take away the attitude of, "everybody needs to go to college" and the market would fill the void with things like mentorship programs. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:902553818] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down.</quote> but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it</quote> Maybe the government could just directly pay the tuition instead of making money off of the debt speculation and the economy therein that incentivizes more and bigger loans.</quote> That seems inefficient, and I don't see why everybody has to go to college. If we let the market bring prices down and eliminate excess degrees, a lot of jobs would be filled without requiring college degrees. I don't even need to pick on the low hanging fruit like gender studies because something like Business Administration is probably unnecessary for many jobs as well. Take away the attitude of, "everybody needs to go to college" and the market would fill the void with things like mentorship programs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 7:55:46 PM #28:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down. but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it Maybe the government could just directly pay the tuition instead of making money off of the debt speculation and the economy therein that incentivizes more and bigger loans. I mean, they are effectively paying the tuition already. How else could that be done differently? It's easy government money that caused the tuitions to skyrocket in the first place. And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees. More people need to go into the trades. And fewer companies need to require degrees, seeing as you don't even need a degree in order to be a barista at Starbucks yet a bunch of baristas went to college first. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902554010] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>solution - ban gender studies and other demonstrably worthless degrees from the student loan program</quote> If we just got the government out of it, those degrees might die a natural death. If a topic is just interesting to you (patriarchy, rape culture, blame white people, etc.), you can visit the library and read about it for free. If you want to become an aerospace engineer, borrow some money and go to college. To be honest, this would also get rid of most college sports as well. I played tennis so I don't like that, but it would probably be for the best. Tuition needs to go down.</quote> but we all know that if you want something to be affordable the gubmint needs to do it</quote> Maybe the government could just directly pay the tuition instead of making money off of the debt speculation and the economy therein that incentivizes more and bigger loans.</quote> I mean, they are effectively paying the tuition already. How else could that be done differently? It's easy government money that caused the tuitions to skyrocket in the first place. And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees. More people need to go into the trades. And fewer companies need to require degrees, seeing as you don't even need a degree in order to be a barista at Starbucks yet a bunch of baristas went to college first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FightingGames 06/04/18 8:03:35 PM #29:	im glad that i invested in a gender studies degree --- https://my.mixtape.moe/whapui.webm <cite>FightingGames posted [p:902554472] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>im glad that i invested in a gender studies degree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peter_Giffyndor 06/04/18 8:17:09 PM #30:	spudger posted... tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions? Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program. this keep you in debt, keep you a slave. At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol <cite>Peter_Giffyndor posted [p:902555242] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions?</quote> Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program.</quote> this keep you in debt, keep you a slave.</quote> At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 06/04/18 8:18:32 PM #31:	Is this really where alt-right incel philosophy is going. Arguing to remove student loans for gender studies majors? --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:902555312] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>Is this really where alt-right incel philosophy is going. Arguing to remove student loans for gender studies majors?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 8:20:10 PM #32:	So if you think gender studies is worthless and shouldn't get funded with tax dollars, you're just propagating alt-right incel philosophy? LMAO what in the fuck --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902555393] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>So if you think gender studies is worthless and shouldn't get funded with tax dollars, you're just propagating alt-right incel philosophy? LMAO what in the fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 06/04/18 8:23:07 PM #33:	Peter_Giffyndor posted... spudger posted... tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions? Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program. this keep you in debt, keep you a slave. At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol There is a lot of blame to go around. My issue is that the government puts its' thumb on the scale to favor lenders and universities over clueless 18 year olds. I'd prefer to see the government stay out of it. But yeah, if you're old enough to be considered an adult, you are old enough to be allowed to make financial mistakes. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:902555536] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peter_Giffyndor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions?</quote> Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program.</quote> this keep you in debt, keep you a slave.</quote> At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol</quote> There is a lot of blame to go around. My issue is that the government puts its' thumb on the scale to favor lenders and universities over clueless 18 year olds. I'd prefer to see the government stay out of it. But yeah, if you're old enough to be considered an adult, you are old enough to be allowed to make financial mistakes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/04/18 8:39:59 PM #34:	Kineth posted... Is this really where alt-right incel philosophy is going. Arguing to remove student loans for gender studies majors? antipathy towards humanities is a time-honored tradition among STEM majors of all political affiliations --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:902556434] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Is this really where alt-right incel philosophy is going. Arguing to remove student loans for gender studies majors?</quote> antipathy towards humanities is a time-honored tradition among STEM majors of all political affiliations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/04/18 8:42:45 PM #35:	Darkman124 posted... Kineth posted... Is this really where alt-right incel philosophy is going. Arguing to remove student loans for gender studies majors? antipathy towards humanities is a time-honored tradition among STEM majors of all political affiliations the humanities are great gender studies is garbage tho --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:902556586] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Is this really where alt-right incel philosophy is going. Arguing to remove student loans for gender studies majors?</quote> antipathy towards humanities is a time-honored tradition among STEM majors of all political affiliations</quote> the humanities are great gender studies is garbage tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/18 8:48:26 PM #36:	FLUFFYGERM posted... And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees We also subsidize no degree at all when someone drops out without having completed their courses. So unless your idea will also pay for 7/8th of a STEM-lol-changed-mind-gonna-go-work-at-daddy's-restaurant degree then it's pointless to exclude majors based on their productivity in enterprise industries. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:902556936] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees</quote> We also subsidize no degree at all when someone drops out without having completed their courses. So unless your idea will also pay for 7/8th of a STEM-lol-changed-mind-gonna-go-work-at-daddy's-restaurant degree then it's pointless to exclude majors based on their productivity in enterprise industries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peter_Giffyndor 06/04/18 9:04:28 PM #37:	tennisdude818 posted... Peter_Giffyndor posted... spudger posted... tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions? Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program. this keep you in debt, keep you a slave. At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol There is a lot of blame to go around. My issue is that the government puts its' thumb on the scale to favor lenders and universities over clueless 18 year olds. I'd prefer to see the government stay out of it. But yeah, if you're old enough to be considered an adult, you are old enough to be allowed to make financial mistakes. I can definitely agree with that, the universities and government are not blameless here either. I don't think someone should be paying off $60-$250k+ for 20 years even with a practical degree. The astronomical cost of college plus the thought of immediately acquiring massive debt right out of hs turned me off to it. Which is insane, I'm making just as much as some of my friends who got their 4 year degree and will be paying it off for years <cite>Peter_Giffyndor posted [p:902557841] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peter_Giffyndor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions?</quote> Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program.</quote> this keep you in debt, keep you a slave.</quote> At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol</quote> There is a lot of blame to go around. My issue is that the government puts its' thumb on the scale to favor lenders and universities over clueless 18 year olds. I'd prefer to see the government stay out of it. But yeah, if you're old enough to be considered an adult, you are old enough to be allowed to make financial mistakes.</quote> I can definitely agree with that, the universities and government are not blameless here either. I don't think someone should be paying off $60-$250k+ for 20 years even with a practical degree. The astronomical cost of college plus the thought of immediately acquiring massive debt right out of hs turned me off to it. Which is insane, I'm making just as much as some of my friends who got their 4 year degree and will be paying it off for years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 06/04/18 9:10:25 PM #38:	Peter_Giffyndor posted... tennisdude818 posted... Peter_Giffyndor posted... spudger posted... tennisdude818 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions? Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program. this keep you in debt, keep you a slave. At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol There is a lot of blame to go around. My issue is that the government puts its' thumb on the scale to favor lenders and universities over clueless 18 year olds. I'd prefer to see the government stay out of it. But yeah, if you're old enough to be considered an adult, you are old enough to be allowed to make financial mistakes. I can definitely agree with that, the universities and government are not blameless here either. I don't think someone should be paying off $60-$250k+ for 20 years even with a practical degree. The astronomical cost of college plus the thought of immediately acquiring massive debt right out of hs turned me off to it. Which is insane, I'm making just as much as some of my friends who got their 4 year degree and will be paying it off for years Good for you, I have family that did the same thing. This student loan bubble has to pop someday, and when it does more people will figure out what you figured out. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:902558148] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peter_Giffyndor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peter_Giffyndor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>how can they afford to pay to fill so many worthless positions?</quote> Student loan bubble. The governments backs student loans, enabling schools to raise tuition to astronomical heights. And because students can't escape via bankruptcy, lenders will loan you whatever it takes to get a gender studies degree even though it has no hope of getting you a high enough paying job to pay it off. It's a predatory government program.</quote> this keep you in debt, keep you a slave.</quote> At the same time, there's a lot to be said about personal accountability. If you take out $60k in loans to get a bachelor's in something functionally useless like herbology or 1700's Croatian Architecture or gender studies, you don't get to cry foul and whine that you're still a barista but now with $60k of debt lol. While the people that hit practical degrees or even bypassed college altogether are living the dream. I hire people with liberal arts degrees onto an assembly line all day, and they STILL expect us to pay them $18 per hour because they have a degree. Well, unless you have a masters in soldering or cutting wires, that means fuck all in the real world lol</quote> There is a lot of blame to go around. My issue is that the government puts its' thumb on the scale to favor lenders and universities over clueless 18 year olds. I'd prefer to see the government stay out of it. But yeah, if you're old enough to be considered an adult, you are old enough to be allowed to make financial mistakes.</quote> I can definitely agree with that, the universities and government are not blameless here either. I don't think someone should be paying off $60-$250k+ for 20 years even with a practical degree. The astronomical cost of college plus the thought of immediately acquiring massive debt right out of hs turned me off to it. Which is insane, I'm making just as much as some of my friends who got their 4 year degree and will be paying it off for years</quote> Good for you, I have family that did the same thing. This student loan bubble has to pop someday, and when it does more people will figure out what you figured out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 06/04/18 9:22:28 PM #39:	Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees We also subsidize no degree at all when someone drops out without having completed their courses. So unless your idea will also pay for 7/8th of a STEM-lol-changed-mind-gonna-go-work-at-daddy's-restaurant degree then it's pointless to exclude majors based on their productivity in enterprise industries. The amount of STEM students who drop out and work a menial job, is only slightly higher than the number of gender studies students who ever have a use for their degree (other than those fulfilled by "any degree, you just have to have one"). --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:902558777] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees</quote> We also subsidize no degree at all when someone drops out without having completed their courses. So unless your idea will also pay for 7/8th of a STEM-lol-changed-mind-gonna-go-work-at-daddy's-restaurant degree then it's pointless to exclude majors based on their productivity in enterprise industries.</quote> The amount of STEM students who drop out and work a menial job, is only slightly higher than the number of gender studies students who ever have a use for their degree (other than those fulfilled by "any degree, you just have to have one").</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/18 9:35:35 PM #40:	DarkTransient posted... Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees We also subsidize no degree at all when someone drops out without having completed their courses. So unless your idea will also pay for 7/8th of a STEM-lol-changed-mind-gonna-go-work-at-daddy's-restaurant degree then it's pointless to exclude majors based on their productivity in enterprise industries. The amount of STEM students who drop out and work a menial job, is only slightly higher than the number of gender studies students who ever have a use for their degree (other than those fulfilled by "any degree, you just have to have one"). I really don't think those numbers are as close as you're making it sound. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/11/27/study-tracks-attrition-rates-stem-majors --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:902559478] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>And maybe we shouldn't subsidize worthless degrees</quote> We also subsidize no degree at all when someone drops out without having completed their courses. So unless your idea will also pay for 7/8th of a STEM-lol-changed-mind-gonna-go-work-at-daddy's-restaurant degree then it's pointless to exclude majors based on their productivity in enterprise industries.</quote> The amount of STEM students who drop out and work a menial job, is only slightly higher than the number of gender studies students who ever have a use for their degree (other than those fulfilled by "any degree, you just have to have one").</quote> I really don't think those numbers are as close as you're making it sound. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/11/27/study-tracks-attrition-rates-stem-majors</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/05/18 8:10:48 AM #41:	yeah in my AE program in undergrad we went from a class size of 200 to a class size of 79 --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:902579557] in Diversity ... [t:76674592]...</cite> <quote>yeah in my AE program in undergrad we went from a class size of 200 to a class size of 79</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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