Board 8 > Save My Pokemon 2018 - Round 117 - 6 Remaining (RULE CHANGE)

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Man even I never expected Flareon to be the final Gen I mon. Thank you to everyone who is helping our bud!
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mnkboy907 posted...

I think it means this contest doesn't have a winner anymore.

Well, not a clear winner. Flareon is not a sure thing despite being Gen 1, and it also has the potential to get anti-voted because of Eevee's insane popularity in general. Some people hate the overall popularity of Eevee and its evolutions, and that could work against Flareon.
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Luster, one of these years you'll learn what a joke and or sarcasm is.
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I mean it was a bit up in the air with articuno in but at this point I think it's Decidueye's to lose, which eh I'm not crazy about but that's what seems most likely
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th3l3fty posted...

Articuno gets antivoted because of that

people decide it's TOO STRONG and make sure it gets knocked out before the finals so it doesn't win

except it's never won because that happens every time

True story. Nearly always finds the Top 10 though.
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Decidueye looks like a cool grass starter, but it feels scummy voting for something I have no personal experience with.

I guess it has to be Flareon?
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Anticipated/10

At least you guys left me some birdies to flock to. Rather have Noctowl, Farfetch'd, and/or Honchkrow in it still.

@Shonen_Bat no need for alliance. I'll probably throw a free save at this point.
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I suppose it's obvious, but our alliance is over @Zigzagoon

very reliable trading partner 10/10 would recommend
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trading for Flareon hour 1 next round auto

th3l3fty posted...

I suppose it's obvious, but our alliance is over @Zigzagoon

very reliable trading partner 10/10 would recommend

Yeah I was gonna check if you wanted with someone else but I figured by your other post saying that you were done.

If anyone else wants a first hour for Lycan I'm down
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tennisboy213 posted...

trading for Flareon hour 1 next round auto

Chat plz
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*wave tennis*
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lefty, what makes you even say there was any anti-voting? at the very least it got to 12-12 100% legitimately and i'm pretty sure katee is an eevee fan so it was a small factor at best. people just have other interests this year.
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Ahahahaha

This is trading

This is what it does

I don't even like Cuno much but I recognise its popularity and it not being in the top 5 over Chatot, Flareon and Lycanroc is amazing.
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Chatot and Flareon I can agree with but Lycanroc is a legit popular pokemon among most communities.
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Xuxon posted...

lefty, what makes you even say there was any anti-voting? at the very least it got to 12-12 100% legitimately and i'm pretty sure katee is an eevee fan so it was a small factor at best. people just have other interests this year.

This is pretty naive

I'm not necessarily saying it was antivoting but under normal conditions Articuno utterly destroys its competition here. You would expect it to be safe well before this when it's literally facing, eg, Chatot. Reducing it to "it was 12-12" doesn't do it justice - it should have been safe well before this

You're also underestimating the Ermine factor in terms of influence on save my contests.
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As much as I tend to support the typically popular choice, yes this is what trading does and that's fine.
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I have no influence on anyone
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- FFD

- Chris

- Ermine
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I just voted Chatot cause its funny Im gonna be honest
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Articuno/Decidueye would have conflicted me because I wouldn't have known who to save. Strictly speaking, I like Articuno the most, but having a non-Gen 1 obvious winner was also very tempting and had more flavor.

But now, I know who to support 'til the end.
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well yeah trading is why, and probably something like, "well, Articuno does well every year, but X Pokemon which i like just as much is going on a run now that can't be replicated so i may as well support X while i can."

but those are very different from anti-voting
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XIII what the fuck, Lycanroc is super legit

I know you're mad and all that but come off it with that
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junk_funk posted...

th3l3fty posted...

Articuno gets antivoted because of that

people decide it's TOO STRONG and make sure it gets knocked out before the finals so it doesn't win

except it's never won because that happens every time

True story. Nearly always finds the Top 10 though.

Ftr this happens to Zard as well
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Tokoyami posted...

XIII what the fuck, Lycanroc is super legit

I know you're mad and all that but come off it with that

Lycanroc is cool but very new, typically older Pokemon have priority

Decidueye is a starter so it's different
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Gotta pick an interesting Gen I poke like Snorlax or Geodude
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Advokaiser posted...

Strictly speaking, I like Articuno the most, but having a non-Gen 1 obvious winner was also very tempting and had more flavor.

if I actually cared enough, I would almost certainly show up to anti-vote Decidueye for this

I don't care what you like, but don't tell me you voted against my favorite for dumb reasons like this
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XIII_rocks posted...

Decidueye is a starter so it's different

*facepalm*
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th3l3fty posted...

Advokaiser posted...

Strictly speaking, I like Articuno the most, but having a non-Gen 1 obvious winner was also very tempting and had more flavor.

if I actually cared enough, I would almost certainly show up to anti-vote Decidueye for this

I don't care what you like, but don't tell me you voted against my favorite for dumb reasons like this

He voted for Articuno at the end. He was just talking about how he'd feel in the final.
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StifledSilence posted...

He voted for Articuno at the end. He was just talking about how he'd feel in the final.

he literally killed a Pokemon he preferred for this reason in an earlier round, so... nah
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Tokoyami posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Decidueye is a starter so it's different

*facepalm*

What the fuck? I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about consensus. There are fucking fans of Typhlosion, Torterra, Swampert, Venusaur, Emboar

Completely mediocre pokemon elevated because of their status as starters

Measure the average finish of the starter Pokemon and their evos in this vs everything else. Again, this isn't me. It's Pokemon fan consensus. Starter Pokemon and their evos get preferential treatment and work under different rules.
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th3l3fty posted...

StifledSilence posted...

He voted for Articuno at the end. He was just talking about how he'd feel in the final.

he literally killed a Pokemon he preferred for this reason in an earlier round, so... nah

He was talking about Mewtwo, which he didn't kill. He just saved Decidueye instead, despite liking Mewtwo more.
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You lost me when you called Swampert "mediocre" which is simply not true. Amazing typing and coverage, good status, badass design...
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Quick stats: 5 of the top 20 were starter evos. 1 in 4.

There are 63 starter Pokemon total out of like 800 and something. They obviously work under different rules
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KujikawaRising posted...

You lost me when you called Swampert "mediocre" which is simply not true. Amazing typing and coverage, good status, badass design...

Whatever? Dispute the individual Pokemon all you want, I'm sure that hardcore Phlosion fan will be here in a minute too. Does this do any damage to my overall point?
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I don't really like any of this top 5.
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VeryInsane posted...

Gotta pick an interesting Gen I poke like Snorlax or Geodude

Or Bulbasaur
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XIII_rocks posted...

What the fuck? I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about consensus. There are ... Completely mediocre pokemon elevated because of their status as starters

Starters obviously get pushed, but usually there's a couple non-starters per gen who also get a big push. Rockruff/Lycanroc got a ton of pre-release hype and Lycanroc is legit one of the most popular in the gen.
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I don't even know some of the Top 5, but I have also played just one Pokemon game post-RSE
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Gatarix posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

What the fuck? I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about consensus. There are ... Completely mediocre pokemon elevated because of their status as starters

Starters obviously get pushed, but usually there's a couple non-starters per gen who also get a big push. Rockruff/Lycanroc got a ton of pre-release hype and Lycanroc is legit one of the most popular in the gen.

Sure
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Like I voted for a Pokemon in an earlier round mistaking it for another Pokemon (thought Decidueye was Sableye).
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XIII_rocks posted...

KujikawaRising posted...

You lost me when you called Swampert "mediocre" which is simply not true. Amazing typing and coverage, good status, badass design...

Whatever? Dispute the individual Pokemon all you want, I'm sure that hardcore Phlosion fan will be here in a minute too. Does this do any damage to my overall point?

Severe damage. Swampert would be beloved even if he weren't a starter. Same goes for Typhlosion, though not to the same degree. The other three you listed? Yeah, I can agree there.

The problem with your argument is that they're not as abundant as you claim. There are only a few that get the popularity boost because they're starters.
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But there are only a few starters

There's absolutely no way to prove this but I would strongly assert that you're wrong. Starter Pokemon get further because they're starters in every single case, and that includes Charizard, and that's absolutely fine. It's totally rational, I'm not criticising anyone for it, but starters are 100% operating under different rules.

Swampert might have been "beloved" whether or not it was a starter but that I don't think it would be top 20. But even then, where are you putting it in the game? Can you catch Mudkip on Hoenn route 1, or after, like, the 7th badge? All of that stuff effects voting too. I wouldn't like THEMANITAN so much if it wasn't available so early in BW, and if BW hadn't come at the peak of my personal hype for Pokemon, etc.

But starters' placement is much more fixed, eternal, objective, and therefore they all - all - operate under different rules. At a push you can make an argument for the exception of the forgettable middle evos like Ivysaur, Quilava, Braixen
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pjbasis posted...

Or Bulbasaur

Poor Bulbasaur. It had no chance to compete against Charmander and Squirtle because Pokemon Green was never released outside of Japan. A lot of people probably wanted to obtain the same Pokemon that was depicted on their Pokemon Red/Blue game cartridge, so this may have led to Charmander and Squirtle being the most picked starters of Gen 1. Bulbasaur didn't receive a fair shake during Gen 1 as Pokemon Green didn't get released outside of Japan.

This ultimately had serious ramifications for future Grass starters since many people chose the same starter type as their first ever starter (people who continuously pick the same type every time). Fire and Water had the advantage in general since Charmander and Squirtle were the most popular starter choices in Gen 1. It wasn't until Gen 7 where the clear winner was a Grass starter for the first time.
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Hey you were already talking to the Typhlosion fan bub

My love for Typhlosion goes beyond just starter reasons although it does contribute

Also I thought you were talking about yourself and your priority, not in general. So that was my bad.
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No? I was referring to consensus among Pokemon fans. I do like Decidueye more than Lycanroc personally but the point I was making was that any starter Pokemon gets a boost.

I don't claim to be the ultimate arbiter of fan consensus but I think we can safely assume that Pokemon fans would generally be happier with Articuno and Charizard in the top 5 here over literally anything we have left, and yes, that includes Lycanroc.

For the record my love for the Zard is absolutely in part to do with it being a starter, and the same goes for Infernape, Incineroar and others that I like. I never said it was bad, just that starters get a boost - so when I talk down to Lycanroc getting this far because it's new and consensus tends not to favour the new, there's a reason I don't also include Decidueye in that even though they came out in the same gen.
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Tokoyami posted...

So that was my bad.

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People underestimate how popular Lycanroc is. Board 8 is a pretty big outlier on non gen 1 opinions.

Leafeon13N posted...

People underestimate how popular Lycanroc is. Board 8 is a pretty big outlier on non gen 1 opinions.

If they add a gen 7 mon to 5mash, my money is on Lycanroc over Decidueye and Incineroar

The anime is a pretty good indicator of who the gen mascot is
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ScepterOfLove posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

People underestimate how popular Lycanroc is. Board 8 is a pretty big outlier on non gen 1 opinions.

If they add a gen 7 mon to 5mash, my money is on Lycanroc over Decidueye and Incineroar

The anime is a pretty good indicator of who the gen mascot is

But then itd be Lycan Dusk no? Dusk is the worst of the 3 :(
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