Poll of the Day > So...I think my friend is innocent of his accused crimes.

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I made a topic a couple of weeks ago about how one of my best friends was in jail accused of sexually abusing an infant. At first I couldn't believe it, but I tried to stay in the middle, because I had zero information other than what little a friends mom told me, and news reports.

Now, about three weeks in I am in almost certain he committed no crime. I do not say this lightly, and I am treating the accusation as serious because if it happened it is messed up beyond words. Knowing what I know now, I do not think he has committed any crime.

Three weeks after he was arrested the police have no real evidence, just the initial claim. The police have asked other victims or people who knew my friend to step forward with anything they knew. the police believed he had "other victims" and so far nobody has said anything.

The mental and physical examination of the child turned up nothing at all.

The police searched my friends computer for anything suspect and found nothing.

At his preliminary hearing the parents of the victim were not present. I dont know much about how this court stuff works to see if that is odd or not, but it seems odd. My friend had people in his camp outside of just his lawyer. I was not there.

The claim referenced how he supposedly did the act, and somebody I know has seen a photo of the bathroom it allegedly took place and said it isnt wide enough for that to be physically possible.

Things could come out in the future to challenge this view, but to me it seems like a bogus claim. Police are treating it seriously, as they should, but havent found anything.

I just had to get this out there. I could be wrong, but everybody on my friends side agrees this sounds ridiculous, based on the facts above.

I don't even know what I can and cant say about this, I havent spoken to his lawyer yet, but im aching inside and i feel like im going to explode. I'm sure this will lead to a lot of questions from you guys. I likely wont answer much of anything.

argonautweakend posted...

I know has seen a photo of the bathroom it allegedly took place and said it isnt wide enough for that to be physically possible

That makes zero sense.

Yeah, that's the most important part of what you said and I can't understand it.
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green dragon posted...

argonautweakend posted...

I know has seen a photo of the bathroom it allegedly took place and said it isnt wide enough for that to be physically possible

That makes zero sense.

argonautweakend posted...

The claim referenced how he supposedly did the act

Because we don't know how the act was done.
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What I mean is, the criminal report references a sex act done over the toilet. A person I know saw photos of the bathroom the act supposedly took place and described it as being too narrow of a room for the act to have occurred in the way it was described. not enough space.

Zareth posted...

green dragon posted...

argonautweakend posted...

I know has seen a photo of the bathroom it allegedly took place and said it isnt wide enough for that to be physically possible

That makes zero sense.

argonautweakend posted...

The claim referenced how he supposedly did the act

Because we don't know how the act was done.

I dunno how small a bathroom it'd have to be to not be able to fit one adult and an infant.
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Zareth posted...

green dragon posted...

argonautweakend posted...

I know has seen a photo of the bathroom it allegedly took place and said it isnt wide enough for that to be physically possible

That makes zero sense.

argonautweakend posted...

The claim referenced how he supposedly did the act

Because we don't know how the act was done.

This. It seems they probably claimed it was a specific way. And maybe that act couldn't be done in that bathroom. That could be especially true for a smaller bathroom. Like a half bathroom...

dragon504 posted...

I dunno how small a bathroom it'd have to be to not be able to fit one adult and an infant.

A half bathroom is pretty small. You could fit an adult and infant in. But it might be hard to do much is a small space like that...
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Happy to hear that -- since, if nothing else, it means no child was harmed. However, it just makes the story stranger since it implies that the parents acted maliciously despite, as you previously mentioned, having no real motive.

Personally I had assumed that it was just parents overreacting to something the kid might have said or done, but your story makes it sound like they're up to some weirdness.
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argonautweakend posted...

What I mean is, the criminal report references a sex act done over the toilet. A person I know saw photos of the bathroom the act supposedly took place and described it as being too narrow of a room for the act to have occurred in the way it was described. not enough space.

This seems like a really terribly weak defense
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I dont know if that is going to get used in a trial or not.

If you can fit one person in a place you can fit a person and an infant.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

argonautweakend posted...

What I mean is, the criminal report references a sex act done over the toilet. A person I know saw photos of the bathroom the act supposedly took place and described it as being too narrow of a room for the act to have occurred in the way it was described. not enough space.

This seems like a really terribly weak defense

I think you missed the rest of his post, which points out that nothing supports the claim:

argonautweakend posted...

Three weeks after he was arrested the police have no real evidence, just the initial claim. The police have asked other victims or people who knew my friend to step forward with anything they knew. the police believed he had "other victims" and so far nobody has said anything.

The mental and physical examination of the child turned up nothing at all.

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I mean if there's no evidence he's getting away with it regardless of whether he did it or not, that doesn't tell me much. If the psychological evaluation returned nothing, that's more convincing.

Then who reported it? What were their motives?
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Definetly seems like reasonable doubt should fall on his side, like Zeus said really hope he didnt do it since it would mean the child was not abused
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Just because there's no physical evidence doesn't mean nothing happened.
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I really want to know who reported it and why, but if you won't tell I can wait.

If it was a public bathroom I can only assume it was some random guy.
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I believe the child told his parents. My friend worked for the family and they allowed him to be near their child.

argonautweakend posted...

I believe the child told his parents.

What? Since when do infants speak?
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oh man are you serious?

this is going to sound ridiculously stupid but I thought infant meant something else. Uhm, yeah anyways i can't edit my OP now but the child in question was 6 years old.

i, uhhh....thought infant was much older for some reason.

argonautweakend posted...

oh man are you serious?

this is going to sound ridiculously stupid but I thought infant meant something else. Uhm, yeah anyways i can't edit my OP now but the child in question was 6 years old.

i, uhhh....thought infant was much older for some reason.

Infant is a baby, a small baby at that. Hell, 6 is beyond toddler range even. Kindergartner is 6.
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Infant usually ends around a year old, although one is never too old to be infantile.

i...feel like a moron for making that mistake. im being cautious as to what I say here and I guess i overthunk and chose my words incorrectly.

just to repeat myself: op is a lie, victim in question was six years old. So like, during the psychological examination the victim was able to talk back and answer questions and stuff, if that gets you a different picture. an infant wouldnt likely provide much psychologically i dont think.

argonautweakend posted...

I believe the child told his parents. My friend worked for the family and they allowed him to be near their child.

Told them what? They had sex in the bathroom?
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i dont know what they said

Odd.
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Have they figured out his charges in the jail yet?
He needs to do his best to keep that shit under wraps.

ASlaveObeys posted...

Have they figured out his charges in the jail yet?
He needs to do his best to keep that shit under wraps.

That's very true...
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His lawyer got him transferred to some sort of behavioral health hospital or something

i have reason to believe while in prison he was beaten, though I am not sure. During his prelim he had a chain wrapped around his stomach near the belly button, i am told. it was not connected to anything else. his cuffs were both hands together in front and legs. There were two inmates also having prelims at the same time, and neither had the stomach chain. If I had to guess this is to make it so his shirt cannot be removed or lifted upward. I could be wrong though. I wasnt there, that is just what i heard.

argonautweakend posted...

His lawyer got him transferred to some sort of behavioral health hospital or something

i have reason to believe while in prison he was beaten, though I am not sure. During his prelim he had a chain wrapped around his stomach near the belly button, i am told. it was not connected to anything else. his cuffs were both hands together in front and legs. There were two inmates also having prelims at the same time, and neither had the stomach chain. If I had to guess this is to make it so his shirt cannot be removed or lifted upward. I could be wrong though. I wasnt there, that is just what i heard.

The belly chains are attached to the hand cuffs. That's how all inmates are brought to court. I have never seen an inmate without the belly chains. Also, he probably got transferred to protective custody, which means his charges were discovered and he was no longer safe in gen pop. The only issue with that is that will follow him if he goes upstate (prison) once you're a pc everyone finds out super fast.

i dont know, i was told they werent attached to anything and the other two inmates in there had nothing around their stomachs.

That could be false reporting, though, as I said I was not there. This also wasnt at a proper courthouse, it was supposed to be at the county courthouse but then it got moved to a hole in the wall magistrates office.

His preliminary trial was also postponed, if that helps your understanding.

argonautweakend posted...

i dont know, i was told they werent attached to anything and the other two inmates in there had nothing around their stomachs.

That could be false reporting, though, as I said I was not there. This also wasnt at a proper courthouse, it was supposed to be at the county courthouse but then it got moved to a hole in the wall magistrates office.

It's unlikely they weren't chained. It's just protocol.

argonautweakend posted...

this is going to sound ridiculously stupid but I thought infant meant something else. Uhm, yeah anyways i can't edit my OP now but the child in question was 6 years old.

Yes, that does sound ridiculously stupid. =p And I was mildly confused by the infant reference since I recalled the kid being older in the other topic.
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