Current Events > Guys net neutrality is simple, just take your business elsewhere

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That's what I do when the subway is anti-competitive. I just go across the street to the other subway to show them that I won't support anti-consumer practises.

I do this with everything. When the airline industry is anti-consumer I just stop using planes and swim across the ocean for my business trips

I don't know why you guys don't get something as simple as this
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So why are people trolling about this? I mean you do know you are getting hurt just as much as the rest of us right?
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I'll just take my phone service to another more reasonably priced phone service that offers me the same reliable service

Owait the only other competitor that can do that is AT&T and theyre as expensive if not more
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LightHawKnight posted...

So why are people trolling about this? I mean you do know you are getting hurt just as much as the rest of us right?

It's to point the absurdity of "oh it'll be alright"
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LightHawKnight posted...

So why are people trolling about this? I mean you do know you are getting hurt just as much as the rest of us right?

I've been upset about this issue for so long that now I'm just weary to the point of laughing about it
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LightHawKnight posted...

So why are people trolling about this? I mean you do know you are getting hurt just as much as the rest of us right?

TC isn't American, he's mocking the gullible idiots who believe in Pai
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I love how all the examples of a lack of competition are pretty much all the examples of government-mandated monopolies.

It's almost like government is the problem...
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LightHawKnight posted...

So why are people trolling about this? I mean you do know you are getting hurt just as much as the rest of us right?

it makes it hurt less if we deny it :(
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The part that bug me the most is internet companies agree not to compete with each other. Only fast internet I can get is Comcast.
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Squall28 posted...

The part that bug me the most is internet companies agree not to compete with each other. Only fast internet I can get is Comcast.

It's not that they 'agree.' It's that the government literally says they can't.
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darkjedilink posted...

Squall28 posted...

The part that bug me the most is internet companies agree not to compete with each other. Only fast internet I can get is Comcast.

It's not that they 'agree.' It's that the government literally says they can't.

what the fuck are you talking about?
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darkjedilink posted...

Squall28 posted...

The part that bug me the most is internet companies agree not to compete with each other. Only fast internet I can get is Comcast.

It's not that they 'agree.' It's that the government literally says they can't.

somehow I think your use of the word "government" lacks the nuance necessary to discuss real reform

treewojima posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Squall28 posted...

The part that bug me the most is internet companies agree not to compete with each other. Only fast internet I can get is Comcast.

It's not that they 'agree.' It's that the government literally says they can't.

somehow I think your use of the word "government" lacks the nuance necessary to discuss real reform

The FCC determines who can offer what, where. They're literally the party responsible for why competition and choice in ISP's doesn't exist.

What's the FCC an organization of? Oh, right - the FUCKING GOVERNMENT.

Liberals LOVE giving the government power, and then they turn around and reject that the government misusing that power was pre-ordained. Here we are, bitching about a problem the government created, and you're arguing the government can solve it.

Never change, libs.
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The only problem with NN is that any results from repealing it are completely made up by butthurt leftists.
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Uncle Choad posted...

The only problem with NN is that any results from repealing it are completely made up by butthurt leftists.

Not only that, but the reason we NEED it is entirely made up, too.
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please, stop. I'm getting concussed from all the facedesking I'm doing.
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one last time:

this is what net neutrality is:

all data is treated equally.

that's it. it's nothing more than that. every packet sent gets the same treatment over the entire system. why is that a problem that needs to go away? what gets better when that doesn't have to be respected?
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Medussa posted...

one last time:

this is what net neutrality is:

all data is treated equally.

that's it. it's nothing more than that. every packet sent gets the same treatment over the entire system. why is that a problem that needs to go away? what gets better when that doesn't have to be respected?

It was never NOT respected in the first place, meaning the regulations put in place were needless and needlessly costly.
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Hey, we have our things to worry about other than America's backwards approach. The recent "copyright protection" things they want are their own brand of horrendous.
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bullshit. Verizon and Comcast got repeatedly sued because they stopped respecting it. the regulation simply enshrined the tradition. it cost literally the amount of time it took to vote on it.
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darkjedilink posted...

Medussa posted...

one last time:

this is what net neutrality is:

all data is treated equally.

that's it. it's nothing more than that. every packet sent gets the same treatment over the entire system. why is that a problem that needs to go away? what gets better when that doesn't have to be respected?

It was never NOT respected in the first place, meaning the regulations put in place were needless and needlessly costly.

lol, this is factually wrong.

We have plenty of cases that show otherwise, Netflix being the prime example (along with many others)
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LightHawKnight posted...

So why are people trolling about this? I mean you do know you are getting hurt just as much as the rest of us right?

While pinky is being sarcastic, others troll due to mental illness and a constant need for attention. There's the few who truly are suckers and believe Trump, Pai, ISPs, and so on, but chances are that most people on this video game message board are just trolling.
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Uncle Choad posted...

The only problem with NN is that any results from repealing it are completely made up by butthurt leftists.

This is total bullshit. Pretty amazing how uneducated guys like these are.
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and you dodged my question.

why is that policy something that needs to go away?
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darkjedilink posted...

I love how all the examples of a lack of competition are pretty much all the examples of government-mandated monopolies.

It's almost like government is the problem...

All the examples are government-mandated monopolies because it would be a fucking disaster if something like the new york subway system was privatised
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pinky0926 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

I love how all the examples of a lack of competition are pretty much all the examples of government-mandated monopolies.

It's almost like government is the problem...

All the examples are government-mandated monopolies because it would be a fucking disaster if something like the new york subway system was privatised

Funkydog posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Medussa posted...

one last time:

this is what net neutrality is:

all data is treated equally.

that's it. it's nothing more than that. every packet sent gets the same treatment over the entire system. why is that a problem that needs to go away? what gets better when that doesn't have to be respected?

It was never NOT respected in the first place, meaning the regulations put in place were needless and needlessly costly.

lol, this is factually wrong.

We have plenty of cases that show otherwise, Netflix being the prime example (along with many others)

Netflix makes ISP's all of their money, so this is unlikely.
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At least you are open with your trolling now I guess.
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pinky0926 posted...

All the examples are government-mandated monopolies because it would be a fucking disaster if something like the new york subway system was privatised

where are these mandated monopolies? the only regulations I can find are ones preventing governments from starting isps. not other companies. those don't exist because they keep getting sued in attempts to dry up their funds.
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Medussa posted...

and you dodged my question.

why is that policy something that needs to go away?

still waiting, DJL.
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I'm so glad I can switch from Time Warner to Time Warner

Good thing I won't have to switch because they would never try to screw customers just for more money
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Medussa posted...

pinky0926 posted...

All the examples are government-mandated monopolies because it would be a fucking disaster if something like the new york subway system was privatised

where are these mandated monopolies? the only regulations I can find are ones preventing governments from starting isps. not other companies. those don't exist because they keep getting sued in attempts to dry up their funds.

I was just continuing the analogy to show how ridiculous it would be to have privatised public infrastructure
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ah. I misunderstood. I'm still trying to source DJL's claims (and failing), since he won't (because he can't)
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Medussa posted...

ah. I misunderstood. I'm still trying to source DJL's claims (and failing), since he won't (because he can't)

DJL is the same guy who blames Obama and the ACA for his wife leaving him. He's not exactly a paragon of intellect
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Asherlee10 posted...

Same thing happening the "gay wedding cake" topics.

"But free market!"

"Just go somewhere else!"

Why did you make this topic about gay wedding cakes and what does that have to do with anything.
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TheUsualSuspect posted...

Medussa posted...

ah. I misunderstood. I'm still trying to source DJL's claims (and failing), since he won't (because he can't)

DJL is the same guy who blames Obama and the ACA for his wife leaving him. He's not exactly a paragon of intellect

I know
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this topic gave me an aneurysm

darkjedilink posted...

I love how all the examples of a lack of competition are pretty much all the examples of government-mandated monopolies.

It's almost like government is the problem...

how did you feel about obama winning the competition with you over your ex-wife
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darkjedilink posted...

Squall28 posted...

The part that bug me the most is internet companies agree not to compete with each other. Only fast internet I can get is Comcast.

It's not that they 'agree.' It's that the government literally says they can't.

What? No, it's the opposite.

Well, it was until just recently.

In order to qualify for certain subsidies and tax breaks ISPs had to expand their networks to certain places they weren't currently servicing that only had 1 or 2 options. They recently rescinded that restriction (thanks, A Shit Pie), and now they just have to expand their networks in general.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

No, it's the opposite.

can easily be the default response to pretty much every post that guy makes.

it has to be intentional at this point. He's just a little better at hiding it than DE is. I hope. for his sake.
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Remember back in December when everyone was like the day net neutrality ends will be the end of the internet? Still works perfectly for me.
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Howl posted...

Remember back in December when everyone was like the day net neutrality ends will be the end of the internet? Still works perfectly for me.

This is a very clever observation, well done. A gold star on your notebook for you.
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pinky0926 posted...

Howl posted...

Remember back in December when everyone was like the day net neutrality ends will be the end of the internet? Still works perfectly for me.

This is a very clever observation, well done. A gold star on your notebook for you.

It's just a commentary on how hyperbolic people are being about this issue.
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Howl posted...

It's just a commentary on how hyperbolic people are being about this issue.

it's not hyperbolic. the internet today is not the same internet is was last week. When, how and how badly the break it is up in the air. And you're going to be just as fucked as the rest of us when it does. So get your laughs in while you're still in the mood.
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Howl posted...

It's just a commentary on how hyperbolic people are being about this issue.

Define hyperbolic
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wtf we hate net neutrality now
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pinky0926 posted...

Howl posted...

It's just a commentary on how hyperbolic people are being about this issue.

Define hyperbolic

Hyperbolic

adjective

1.

relating to a hyperbola.

2.

(of language) exaggerated; hyperbolical
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If that's the definition you're going with, then it also needs to be applied to Pai and his empty rhetoric about how less regulation always leads to more competition and freedom. It's the axiom behind all his arguments that he never backs up

So what part of this needed to be repealed?

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-open-internet-order

Strong Rules That Protect Consumers from Past and Future Tactics that Threaten
the Open Internet
1. Clear, Bright-Line Rules
14. Because the record overwhelmingly supports adopting rules and demonstrates that three
specific practices invariably harm the open InternetBlocking, Throttling, and Paid Prioritizationthis
Order bans each of them, applying the same rules to both fixed and mobile broadband Internet access
service.
15. No Blocking. Consumers who subscribe to a retail broadband Internet access service
must get what they have paid foraccess to all (lawful) destinations on the Internet. This essential and
well-accepted principle has long been a tenet of Commission policy, stretching back to its landmark
decision in Carterfone, which protected a customers right to connect a telephone to the monopoly
telephone network.
16 Thus, this Order adopts a straightforward ban:
A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such
person is so engaged, shall not block lawful content, applications, services, or non-
harmful devices, subject to reasonable network management.
16. No Throttling. The 2010 open Internet rule against blocking contained an ancillary
prohibition against the degradation of lawful content, applications, services, and devices, on the ground
that such degradation would be tantamount to blocking. This Order creates a separate rule to guard
against degradation targeted at specific uses of a customers broadband connection:
A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is
so engaged, shall not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of Internet content,
application, or service, or use of a non-harmful device, subject to reasonable network
management.
17. The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable expectations of a
customer who signs up for a broadband service that promises access to all of the lawful Internet, and to
avoid gamesmanship designed to avoid the no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an application
effectively, but not technically, unusable. It prohibits the degrading of Internet traffic based on source,
destination, or content.17 It also specifically prohibits conduct that singles out content competing with a
broadband providers business model.
18. No Paid Prioritization. Paid prioritization occurs when a broadband provider accepts
payment (monetary or otherwise) to manage its network in a way that benefits particular content,
applications, services, or devices. To protect against fast lanes, this Order adopts a rule that establishes
that:
A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such
person is so engaged, shall not engage in paid prioritization.

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