Board 8 > Phoenix Wright Mafia Topic 12: Post-Turnabout Beginnings

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

For the record, the Doppelganger did scan Inno and tricks the thief.

Shit. They had Godfather and Godfather++

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They did.

I probably made the Phantom a little too strong when I let them pick a safelist flavor and scan inno, but I gave town like, all the scanning power

I also didn't think two godfathers is that ridiculous. We have games with multiple millers, why not multiple godfathers?
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I'm going to be salty about this.

I'm pissed that scum got crushed early game then the entire fucking team replaced out and still won.

OH LOOK FD ITS A FUCKING GODFATHER. You can't bitch about MLs when literally two days ago you were talking about how if we lynched Donker (ML) then MI (ML) you would try to lynch me or Corrik because we "weren't confirmed and there's no way there's GF." At least lynching you when we did gave Town a fighting chance, you being alive in LYLO would have pissed it all away.

Why was Alakazam modkilled? confirmed town doctor being modkilled cost us a ML and by extension the game.
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Panthera posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

For the record, the Doppelganger did scan Inno and tricks the thief. Your board 8 special of my lynch caught us off guard. I was watching the NBA finals so wasn't around to try do anything about it until too late (and was like 8 pints deep)

Despite the loss I'll at least take some solace in the fact that I replaced into the game, sat around for a while, said "hey let's lynch SE" and bam, dead scum <_<

Corrik posted...

I was very sad when I noticed you doing it. Donk played scummier than Col, but there was no way scum tried to lead a Lynch on their godfather at the scenario leaving 2 unscanneds left when one of the unscanneds wasn't godfather (despite the fact the Unscanned did scan inno also but you couldn't have known that).

Yeah, I'm pissed off at myself. I knew it had to be Zach, I just couldn't convince myself to trust that I had it figured out when I was going off a type of analysis I'm usually shit at. I'm pretty much the worst town player imaginable for endgame (unless you're scum in which case I'm your fucking hero), I'm good at creating discussion and content for other people to judge, but I'm absolutely dreadful at drawing conclusions from it.

Nah. You did well. You just let talking undo you. If colzach never talks in the final day, you lynch correctly.
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VeryInsane posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

For the record, the Doppelganger did scan Inno and tricks the thief.

Shit. They had Godfather and Godfather++

-_-

They did.

I probably made the Phantom a little too strong when I let them pick a safelist flavor and scan inno, but I gave town like, all the scanning power

I also didn't think two godfathers is that ridiculous. We have games with multiple millers, why not multiple godfathers?

One is a town Confirmable and one is a scum Confirmable. Which is stronger! Lol. Godfather can win a game alone. It is a pocket win role. 2 is craziness.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

The scum board final day had more posts in it that the actual game topic. At one point we were doubling the number of posts in here. I'm sure Colzach won't mind admitting that me and Turbo helped him out a ton

Still was a great final day by him though

Absolutely I got helped a lot, particularly by turbo and SE. Chris and Hans also played a large part in helping me get the right mindset.

Zam was modkilled for PMing MI, yeah

I told MI not to mention it and just tried to drop it there
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PS: I was modkilled for telling MI sorry. He closed his account though so whatever.
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It was more for talking so much after the modkill and interacting with a player who wasn't even playing in the game
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Nanahara715 posted...

I'm pissed that scum got crushed early game then the entire fucking team replaced out and still won.

Chill out.

Town got VERY LUCKY with N1.

Literally, the best thing town did in the entire game was eaed and MI night 1. Then eaed night 2.

Aside from that....town did nothing that involved good or correct logic. Town played "follow the lucky af N1 power" until day 5. And then when suddenly there was no obvious direction....shockingly, the team who cared more and played better won out.

For the record Crescent probably carries but she is mentally weak for the game of mafia. It wasn't really about the game state imo she just had a rough start due to not game reasons.
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Also I am super proud I played a fun and relaxed game and didn't get mad at all so this was good. Yeah puns and I were roasting town the entire time tbh it was great.
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VeryInsane posted...

It was more for talking so much after the modkill and interacting with a player who wasn't even playing in the game

I couldn't see how you didn't end the game there. As far as I was concerned. Scum had won at that point. It was too ridiculous to continue because you almost had to pm the guy and see if he was emotionally ok. I figured prob the entire game.had pmed him.at that point.
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Ha, it really was because of my GIF spam. Mission accomplished.

Poor MI, again. Who do I sheep now?
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And was MI modkilled for... submitting a ticket to close his account? I'm confused about that rule still. Does "outside communication" refer to just other players or... what?

Also, why Godot and not Dahlia?
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turbopuns2 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm pissed that scum got crushed early game then the entire fucking team replaced out and still won.

Chill out.

Town got VERY LUCKY with N1.

Literally, the best thing town did in the entire game was eaed and MI night 1. Then eaed night 2.

Aside from that....town did nothing that involved good or correct logic. Town played "follow the lucky af N1 power" until day 5. And then when suddenly there was no obvious direction....shockingly, the team who cared more and played better won out.

LMFAO yeah okay
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turbopuns2 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm pissed that scum got crushed early game then the entire fucking team replaced out and still won.

Chill out.

Town got VERY LUCKY with N1.

Literally, the best thing town did in the entire game was eaed and MI night 1. Then eaed night 2.

Aside from that....town did nothing that involved good or correct logic. Town played "follow the lucky af N1 power" until day 5. And then when suddenly there was no obvious direction....shockingly, the team who cared more and played better won out.

And scum got lucky I decided to shoot Chris instead of Han, what's your point bro?
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I replaced out because I was busy! I am pretty confident I would not have done nearly as good a job as Zach did, too. Though I imagine scum can't possibly win without Zam modkilling himself.

That D1 was such a disaster, with scum eating themselves alive. Very lucky that the others came back from that.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

And was MI modkilled for... submitting a ticket to close his account? I'm confused about that rule still. Does "outside communication" refer to just other players or... what?

Also, why Godot and not Dahlia?

I am guessing the classic of 'not playing to win'
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

And was MI modkilled for... submitting a ticket to close his account? I'm confused about that rule still. Does "outside communication" refer to just other players or... what?

Also, why Godot and not Dahlia?

He was.modkilled.for threatening to quit and openly talking about replacing. And putting outside the game odds on the game.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

And was MI modkilled for... submitting a ticket to close his account? I'm confused about that rule still. Does "outside communication" refer to just other players or... what?

Also, why Godot and not Dahlia?

He basically had a mental breakdown and closing his account kinda proved it town

outside communication refers to anything

-wanted a final killer in each case theme for the baddies. Plus Dahlia is dead at the start technically!
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Nanahara715 posted...

And scum got lucky I decided to shoot Chris instead of Han, what's your point bro?

Go read the entire 136,000 post scum board then report back

See as scum I don't care but me and puns have town pride and were kind of disgusted with this town assuming we would have been town with it.

Like honestly the ending the day early over and over and the poor logic really fucked town in the end. I thought Panth played very well tbh.
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VeryInsane posted...

I also didn't think two godfathers is that ridiculous. We have games with multiple millers, why not multiple godfathers?

Because it wasn't just a godfather that had flipped but a godfather with super powers.

And a scum vig with extra powers.

All the scum seemed to be supercharged hybrids.

I can't in good faith see that and believe there is also a godfather, at least not until everyone had been scanned inno and there was no other possibility.

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Nanahara715 posted...

OH LOOK FD ITS A FUCKING GODFATHER. You can't bitch about MLs when literally two days ago you were talking about how if we lynched Donker (ML) then MI (ML) you would try to lynch me or Corrik because we "weren't confirmed and there's no way there's GF." At least lynching you when we did gave Town a fighting chance, you being alive in LYLO would have pissed it all away.

Screw you nana. Your justification to lynch me was the flimsiest bullshit and no surprise it was dead wrong.

Also by the time we were at LYLO if i were alive i would have had no choice but to believe there was a godfather so you are wrong about that too.
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I straight up cried when MI closed his account. I wrote a eulogy for him on my computer detailing all my favorite memories of us playing mafia.
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Corrik posted...

VeryInsane posted...

It was more for talking so much after the modkill and interacting with a player who wasn't even playing in the game

I couldn't see how you didn't end the game there. As far as I was concerned. Scum had won at that point. It was too ridiculous to continue because you almost had to pm the guy and see if he was emotionally ok. I figured prob the entire game.had pmed him.at that point.

Because Scum requested him not to. We said just modkills MI and end the day. We even agreed to night kill you so town didn't get double screwed by it

Corrik posted...

LMFAO yeah okay

You wussed out because you were afraid to lose.

turbopuns2 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

And scum got lucky I decided to shoot Chris instead of Han, what's your point bro?

Go read the entire 136,000 post scum board then report back

What's the point of this. If we Lynch colzach instead of MI modkilling or if the doctor doesn't modkill himself, you lost.

You won. Congrats. But acting like town played terrible in a game scum was terrible for most the game and one scum barely slipped by is humorous.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Corrik posted...

LMFAO yeah okay

You wussed out because you were afraid to lose.

?
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Corrik posted...

Nah. You did well. You just let talking undo you. If colzach never talks in the final day, you lynch correctly.

Yeah while I'm disappointed in myself for fucking up in the end, I don't feel bad about losing to Zach. He had basically one way he could actually talk me out of voting him and he did it.

Oh, right. If we're bitching about things because, you know, mafia god fuck you and all that shit...

That fucking FD lynch

My god

It might not have mattered in the end since Zach also scanned innocent so we couldn't have scan confirmed him, but damn that killed me to see happen. I was asleep when that whole thing went down and furious when I saw it. After the little war we had over his no lynch philosophy I was 100% sure he was town.
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Nanahara715 posted...

I straight up cried when MI closed his account. I wrote a eulogy for him on my computer detailing all my favorite memories of us playing mafia.

I also felt a large ping of pain. MI seemed very fun to play with. MI, if you read this or the scumboard, I hope you decide to return.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

See as scum I don't care but me and puns have town pride and were kind of disgusted with this town assuming we would have been town with it.

Like honestly the ending the day early over and over and the poor logic really fucked town in the end. I thought Panth played very well tbh.

Scum were the ones ending day early
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Like honestly the ending the day early over and over and the poor logic really fucked town in the end.

Ugggghhhh this makes me mad still too.

But my break is ending so more on that after work.

Panthera said it best after i was lynched anyways.
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You let us do it though.

Like for the record this isn't post game trash talk, we made the shit talk topic like 2 weeks ago.
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Nanahara715 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

See as scum I don't care but me and puns have town pride and were kind of disgusted with this town assuming we would have been town with it.

Like honestly the ending the day early over and over and the poor logic really fucked town in the end. I thought Panth played very well tbh.

Scum MVPs were the ones ending day early

Zam and Corrik did, yeah
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MI makes sense now, yeah. Him closing his account over this, however, doesn't, and I don't regret butting in to try to tell him to stop. I don't like seeing that kind of thing happen!

VeryInsane posted...

outside communication refers to anything

So wait... I can't even go to work or I'll get modkilled? What about the people I PM with here? Why weren't players modkilled for posting in other topics? I don't understand what "anything" means here...

VeryInsane posted...

-wanted a final killer in each case theme for the baddies.

Ah, that makes sense. I'd have gone with Dahlia for the "main antagonist" thing. Since she's the one in addition to the other five.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Disagree. He was told not to vote Donk early and to discuss out all options to come across as town as possible in trying to work out the final scum rather than just going in blazing at Donk

It was the right play only because the remaining town were spineless and had no fight. They kept looking for an easy answer that would never appear.

If you had real players looking at the game logically, colzach being passive with a vote on him makes no sense.

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

I really wish Arti was scum cuz then I would've been sooooo right.

But honestly between Donk and Col it was a coinflip to me too. Not exactly sure if this is Donk's fault or just because Col played well. But if Donk was Godfather he would've played the absolutely best Godfather I've ever seen in mafia.
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Well I meant talking about the game anywhere else

And as for the argument about being supercharged scum, in a typical scenario scum still needed four mislynches to win, which is a ton, they needed to be a little strong in order to close the gap
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I also didn't think two godfathers is that ridiculous. We have games with multiple millers, why not multiple godfathers?

Because it wasn't just a godfather that had flipped but a godfather with super powers.

And a scum vig with extra powers.

All the scum seemed to be supercharged hybrids.

I can't in good faith see that and believe there is also a godfather, at least not until everyone had been scanned inno and there was no other possibility.

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Nanahara715 posted...

OH LOOK FD ITS A FUCKING GODFATHER. You can't bitch about MLs when literally two days ago you were talking about how if we lynched Donker (ML) then MI (ML) you would try to lynch me or Corrik because we "weren't confirmed and there's no way there's GF." At least lynching you when we did gave Town a fighting chance, you being alive in LYLO would have pissed it all away.

Screw you nana. Your justification to lynch me was the flimsiest bullshit and no surprise it was dead wrong.

Also by the time we were at LYLO if i were alive i would have had no choice but to believe there was a godfather so you are wrong about that too.

Doubt it. We lynch MI instead of you, then you'd have pushed for Donker who doesn't have an innocent scan, and since MI doesn't MK himself, Corrik or I are probably alive at end unscanned for you to piss away the game. Getting rid of you before LYLO was 100% in towns best interests because you just didn't fucking get it.
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Corrik posted...

scum was terrible

See here is where you are wrong

Deadpool was terrible.

That's it.

If you go read the full scumboard you will see.

ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

Oh this is true btw.
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Leafeon13N posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Disagree. He was told not to vote Donk early and to discuss out all options to come across as town as possible in trying to work out the final scum rather than just going in blazing at Donk

It was the right play only because the remaining town were spineless and had no fight. They kept looking for an easy answer that would never appear.

If you had real players looking at the game logically, colzach being passive with a vote on him makes no sense.

Right but scum gets to pick who makes endgame. We deliberately night killed people we did not want around at endgame

ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

more like foolmo got fucked he was the one who started it
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BY THE WAY

FOOLMO.

I loved played with you. You did a great job and you being lynched was bullshit.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also eaed is town mvp.

Mother fucker saved MI twice. I had MI the cop dead night 1 BECAUSE I AM SCUM ME..

Sentences no one would have thought they would hear lol. I just wish I was able to find things to explain my reads better. And I'm so disappointed that Donker and Leo turned up Town I thought for sure I was reading that correctly.
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The MI lynch had to happen at some point. There is no way town can assume that scum has the unprecedented scan fuckery roles it had. Once he was lynched, it led to col had to be scum unless you literally knew that the doppelganger scanned inno which you have no reason to suspect if a gf is confirmed.

The fact MI didn't realize that he had to be lynched and was defending colzach who had to be scum if he was town cop was so fucking weird. Like, MI was coattailing colzach as town just because he was supporting MI.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

Flawless my ass, by not NLing we lynched scum.

Lynching scum > NL. Every. Fucking. Time.

That lynch also basically cleared Arti and Panthera and SHOULD have cleared Donk.
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And hey corrik

If scum was terrible

What does that say about town?

Remember just a little bit ago when scum WON THE GAME

Of course ducking Alakazam costs us the game. Salt aside, you guys really did pull through and now I feel very vindicated. Although in my shoes, it was kinda obvious.
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