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Antifar 06/19/18 9:35:50 PM #1:	https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opinion/charles-rhines-gay-jury-death-row.html On Monday, the Supreme Court announced it would not stop South Dakota from killing a man who may have been sentenced to death because he is gay. Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. During deliberations, the jury had often discussed the fact that Mr. Rhines was gay and there was a lot of disgust about it, one juror recalled in an interview, according to the court petition. Another said that jurors knew he was gay and thought that he shouldnt be able to spend his life with men in prison. A third recounted hearing that if the jury did not sentence Mr. Rhines to death, if hes gay, wed be sending him where he wants to go. The justices rejected Mr. Rhiness plea to hear his bias claim, allowing his death sentence to stand despite disturbing evidence that it may have been the result of anti-L.G.B.T. animus. As usual, the court gave no explanation for its decision not to review the case. But its silence sent a deeply troubling message about the value placed on the lives of L.G.B.T. people. In court papers opposing Mr. Rhiness request for a fair sentence, South Dakota attempts to brush off this last remark as a stab at humor that didnt land well. But a note from the jury to the sentencing judge leaves little doubt that this extraordinary assumption infected the jurys decision-making process: We know what the death penalty means. But we have no clue as to the reality of life without parole. In that note, the jurors went on to ask a series of questions aimed at whether Mr. Rhines would be in proximity to other men in prison. Would he be allowed to mix with the general inmate population? Would he be permitted to discuss, describe or brag about his crime to other inmates? Would he have a cellmate? In other words, some members of the jury thought life in prison without parole would be fun for Mr. Rhines. So they decided to sentence him to death. Juror deliberations are considered sacrosanct, but last year the Supreme Court carved out an important exception for cases of racial bias in the jury room. In a race discrimination case, there was evidence that the jury decided to convict an accused man of unlawful sexual contact and harassment because hes Mexican, and Mexican men take whatever they want, in the words of one juror. The Supreme Court rightly found that such racial animus interfered with an accuseds person right to a fair and impartial trial. The same rule should apply when anti-L.G.B.T. prejudice taints juror decision-making. To be sure, the history of racism in America is unique and demands unique safeguards. But that does not make anti-L.G.B.T. discrimination any less objectionable, particularly when it may have made the difference between life and death. Its difficult to square allowing the state to execute Mr. Rhines because of his sexual orientation with the Supreme Courts observation this month that states should prevent the harms of discrimination against L.G.B.T. people. And while bias in the criminal justice system is not always explicit, it was in Mr. Rhiness case. That makes the courts decision not to step in even more alarming. Sadly, the court will almost certainly be presented with more requests to review convictions or sentences poisoned by anti-L.G.B.T. bias. It should take the next opportunity to correct this mistake and recognize that prejudice against people who are L.G.B.T. should play no role in Americas criminal justice system. However, that will probably come too late for Mr. Rhines. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:903598487] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opinion/charles-rhines-gay-jury-death-row.html <quote>On Monday, the Supreme Court announced it would not stop South Dakota from killing a man who may have been sentenced to death because he is gay. Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. During deliberations, the jury had often discussed the fact that Mr. Rhines was gay and there was a lot of disgust about it, one juror recalled in an interview, according to the court petition. Another said that jurors knew he was gay and thought that he shouldnt be able to spend his life with men in prison. A third recounted hearing that if the jury did not sentence Mr. Rhines to death, if hes gay, wed be sending him where he wants to go. The justices rejected Mr. Rhiness plea to hear his bias claim, allowing his death sentence to stand despite disturbing evidence that it may have been the result of anti-L.G.B.T. animus. As usual, the court gave no explanation for its decision not to review the case. But its silence sent a deeply troubling message about the value placed on the lives of L.G.B.T. people. In court papers opposing Mr. Rhiness request for a fair sentence, South Dakota attempts to brush off this last remark as a stab at humor that didnt land well. But a note from the jury to the sentencing judge leaves little doubt that this extraordinary assumption infected the jurys decision-making process: We know what the death penalty means. But we have no clue as to the reality of life without parole. In that note, the jurors went on to ask a series of questions aimed at whether Mr. Rhines would be in proximity to other men in prison. Would he be allowed to mix with the general inmate population? Would he be permitted to discuss, describe or brag about his crime to other inmates? Would he have a cellmate? In other words, some members of the jury thought life in prison without parole would be fun for Mr. Rhines. So they decided to sentence him to death. Juror deliberations are considered sacrosanct, but last year the Supreme Court carved out an important exception for cases of racial bias in the jury room. In a race discrimination case, there was evidence that the jury decided to convict an accused man of unlawful sexual contact and harassment because hes Mexican, and Mexican men take whatever they want, in the words of one juror. The Supreme Court rightly found that such racial animus interfered with an accuseds person right to a fair and impartial trial. The same rule should apply when anti-L.G.B.T. prejudice taints juror decision-making. To be sure, the history of racism in America is unique and demands unique safeguards. But that does not make anti-L.G.B.T. discrimination any less objectionable, particularly when it may have made the difference between life and death. Its difficult to square allowing the state to execute Mr. Rhines because of his sexual orientation with the Supreme Courts observation this month that states should prevent the harms of discrimination against L.G.B.T. people. And while bias in the criminal justice system is not always explicit, it was in Mr. Rhiness case. That makes the courts decision not to step in even more alarming. Sadly, the court will almost certainly be presented with more requests to review convictions or sentences poisoned by anti-L.G.B.T. bias. It should take the next opportunity to correct this mistake and recognize that prejudice against people who are L.G.B.T. should play no role in Americas criminal justice system. However, that will probably come too late for Mr. Rhines.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soyforsteaks 06/19/18 9:37:38 PM #2:	Oh man at first I was like "this is reasonable I guess, he might be targeted" And then Antifar posted... have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. What a bunch of dumbasses --- No soy? Don't even talk to me. <cite>soyforsteaks posted [p:903598602] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Oh man at first I was like "this is reasonable I guess, he might be targeted" And then <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man.</quote> What a bunch of dumbasses</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 06/19/18 9:39:34 PM #3:	In other words, some members of the jury thought life in prison without parole would be fun for Mr. Rhines. So they decided to sentence him to death. Juror deliberations are considered sacrosanct, but last year the Supreme Court carved out an important exception for cases of racial bias in the jury room. In a race discrimination case, there was evidence that the jury decided to convict an accused man of unlawful sexual contact and harassment because hes Mexican, and Mexican men take whatever they want, in the words of one juror. The Supreme Court rightly found that such racial animus interfered with an accuseds person right to a fair and impartial trial. jesus fucking christ --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:903598729] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><quote>In other words, some members of the jury thought life in prison without parole would be fun for Mr. Rhines. So they decided to sentence him to death. Juror deliberations are considered sacrosanct, but last year the Supreme Court carved out an important exception for cases of racial bias in the jury room. In a race discrimination case, there was evidence that the jury decided to convict an accused man of unlawful sexual contact and harassment because hes Mexican, and Mexican men take whatever they want, in the words of one juror. The Supreme Court rightly found that such racial animus interfered with an accuseds person right to a fair and impartial trial.</quote> jesus fucking christ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 06/19/18 9:41:35 PM #4:	regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered. --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:903598847] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SBAndross 06/19/18 9:43:38 PM #5:	kingdrake2 posted... regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered. this really isn't about Rhines it's more the "gay people should die rather than go to prison because men" angle like what the hell? especially in light of the recent story of the gay prisoner who was killed by his homophobic cellmate --- Only I have the brains to rule GameFAQs! https://imgur.com/BKtsb <cite>SBAndross posted [p:903598974] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote>regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered.</quote> this really isn't about Rhines it's more the "gay people should die rather than go to prison because men" angle like what the hell? especially in light of the recent story of the gay prisoner who was killed by his homophobic cellmate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/19/18 9:44:14 PM #6:	kingdrake2 posted... regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered. You're willfully missing the point, not because you're actually stupid, but because you're someone who takes pleasure in annoying other people. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:903599016] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote>regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered.</quote> You're willfully missing the point, not because you're actually stupid, but because you're someone who takes pleasure in annoying other people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 06/19/18 9:45:09 PM #7:	and people say a christian nation like america wouldn't turn into a monster like ISIS... --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:903599086] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>and people say a christian nation like america wouldn't turn into a monster like ISIS...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 06/19/18 9:46:28 PM #8:	spudger posted... a christian nation like america are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:903599175] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>a christian nation like america</quote> are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy462 06/19/18 9:47:07 PM #9:	Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense. --- Now hyped for: Pokemon Pikachu and Eevee Let's Go <cite>Fluttershy462 posted [p:903599203] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soyforsteaks 06/19/18 9:47:21 PM #10:	Damn_Underscore posted... are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings? Yes because the Bible is open to interpretation, when you want it to be. --- No soy? Don't even talk to me. <cite>soyforsteaks posted [p:903599216] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings?</quote> Yes because the Bible is open to interpretation, when you want it to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 06/19/18 9:51:24 PM #11:	Fluttershy462 posted... Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense. No it doesn't. But what can I expect from a guy with a MLP avatar. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:903599494] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fluttershy462 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense.</quote> No it doesn't. But what can I expect from a guy with a MLP avatar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 06/19/18 9:54:34 PM #12:	Antifar posted... kingdrake2 posted... regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered. You're willfully missing the point, not because you're actually stupid, but because you're someone who takes pleasure in annoying other people. telling me to eat shit isn't very nice. i saw what you put prior. --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:903599711] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote>regardless of affiliation, death penalty was a viable option. shouldn't of murdered.</quote> You're willfully missing the point, not because you're actually stupid, but because you're someone who takes pleasure in annoying other people.</quote> telling me to eat shit isn't very nice. i saw what you put prior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrettyBoyFloyd 06/19/18 9:55:44 PM #13:	Probably would end up dead anyway. That's just how prisons are. One just wakes up wondering if today is the day they die. --- The Evil Republicans - Est.2004 - WoT [Government Destabilizing Branch] <cite>PrettyBoyFloyd posted [p:903599790] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Probably would end up dead anyway. That's just how prisons are. One just wakes up wondering if today is the day they die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RE_expert44 06/19/18 9:55:56 PM #14:	Hes probably gonna sit on death row for 15 years so he has plenty of time to appeal. Maybe he shouldn't have murdered and he wouldn't be in this pickle --- Resident Evil 2 REmake giveaway v http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1074-resident-evil-past-present-and-future <cite>RE_expert44 posted [p:903599800] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Hes probably gonna sit on death row for 15 years so he has plenty of time to appeal. Maybe he shouldn't have murdered and he wouldn't be in this pickle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 06/19/18 9:56:13 PM #15:	Happy Pride month! --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:903599817] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Happy Pride month!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/19/18 9:57:21 PM #16:	Fluttershy462 posted... Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense. Only if you simplify the desires of a gay man to simply being surrounded by men. Which is a gross simplification and such simplification should never be tolerated in regards to the law. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:903599880] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fluttershy462 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense.</quote> Only if you simplify the desires of a gay man to simply being surrounded by men. Which is a gross simplification and such simplification should never be tolerated in regards to the law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/19/18 9:57:27 PM #17:	RE_expert44 posted... Hes probably gonna sit on death row for 15 years so he has plenty of time to appeal. Maybe he shouldn't have murdered and he wouldn't be in this pickle If we don't have a justice system that treats people equally, we don't have a justice system. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:903599888] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>RE_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>Hes probably gonna sit on death row for 15 years so he has plenty of time to appeal. Maybe he shouldn't have murdered and he wouldn't be in this pickle</quote> If we don't have a justice system that treats people equally, we don't have a justice system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 06/19/18 9:59:16 PM #18:	Well this is fucked up and was a clear biased jury. Each one of them should never serve on a jury again. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:903600027] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Well this is fucked up and was a clear biased jury. Each one of them should never serve on a jury again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 06/19/18 9:59:37 PM #19:	Damn_Underscore posted... spudger posted... a christian nation like america are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings? never met a christian that hasn't --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:903600055] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>a christian nation like america</quote> are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings?</quote> never met a christian that hasn't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 06/19/18 9:59:53 PM #20:	What the fuck. --- ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/ 85/99 Cooking <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:903600072] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/19/18 10:00:32 PM #21:	Tmaster148 posted... Fluttershy462 posted... Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense. No it doesn't. But what can I expect from a guy with a MLP avatar. Rookie User. Obvious troll account. Prolly Hoth being Hoth. --- https://imgur.com/8pzUM https://imgur.com/Oh1iujg The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:903600111] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fluttershy462 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense.</quote> No it doesn't. But what can I expect from a guy with a MLP avatar.</quote> Rookie User. Obvious troll account. Prolly Hoth being Hoth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 06/19/18 10:01:16 PM #22:	i wish hoth would use one of my suggestions for a username :(. he never does, the name was "toxicturdy". --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:903600157] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>i wish hoth would use one of my suggestions for a username :(. he never does, the name was "toxicturdy".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 06/19/18 10:01:40 PM #23:	"Shouldn't have murdered him" Welp guess that excuses our justice system from being abused by homophobes while those in charge twiddle their thumbs. --- https://imgur.com/ymmqXXN https://imgur.com/5iNwXbV https://imgur.com/HSriaa3 https://imgur.com/xphiy45 <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:903600184] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>"Shouldn't have murdered him" Welp guess that excuses our justice system from being abused by homophobes while those in charge twiddle their thumbs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CatataFish462 06/19/18 10:01:42 PM #24:	Bummer dude --- I am the catata fish. <cite>CatataFish462 posted [p:903600186] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Bummer dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 06/19/18 10:03:38 PM #25:	I'm in favor of the death penalty. I believe that, if you're victim is no longer conscious, neither should you be. But to make the decision based upon somebody's orientation? That's practically a hate crime. Race, sex, religion, nationality, and orientation should have no bearing on what punishment a person deserves. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:903600316] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>I'm in favor of the death penalty. I believe that, if you're victim is no longer conscious, neither should you be. But to make the decision based upon somebody's orientation? That's practically a hate crime. Race, sex, religion, nationality, and orientation should have no bearing on what punishment a person deserves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 06/19/18 10:04:24 PM #26:	LordRazziel posted... Tmaster148 posted... Fluttershy462 posted... Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense. No it doesn't. But what can I expect from a guy with a MLP avatar. Rookie User. Obvious troll account. Prolly Hoth being Hoth. It probably is Hoth. Only Hoth would be sad enough to go around with MLP avatar. Hell he probably has a MLP toy he uses. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:903600362] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fluttershy462 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of the jurors who imposed the death penalty on Charles Rhines, who was convicted of murder, have said they thought the alternative a life sentence served in a mens prison was something he would enjoy as a gay man. Well it this does make some sense.</quote> No it doesn't. But what can I expect from a guy with a MLP avatar.</quote> Rookie User. Obvious troll account. Prolly Hoth being Hoth.</quote> It probably is Hoth. Only Hoth would be sad enough to go around with MLP avatar. Hell he probably has a MLP toy he uses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sauceje 06/19/18 10:05:19 PM #27:	If anyone needed proof that America is an actual shithole, this has to be it. Thanks South Dakota. --- He was born in a coop, raised in a cage, children fear him, critics rage, He's half alive, he's half dead, folks just call him Buckethead <cite>sauceje posted [p:903600401] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>If anyone needed proof that America is an actual shithole, this has to be it. Thanks South Dakota.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 06/19/18 10:09:21 PM #28:	The jurors were wrong if South Dakota doesnt have some type of alternative lifestyles sections for prisoners. Otherwise hed actually be targeted even more for being gay. --- I am basically am I. Well, basically. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:903600627] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>The jurors were wrong if South Dakota doesnt have some type of alternative lifestyles sections for prisoners. Otherwise hed actually be targeted even more for being gay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 06/19/18 10:18:09 PM #29:	This is the state that tried to pass abortion bills so restrictive it would've banned contraceptives right? SD is Missouri level --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:903601083] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>This is the state that tried to pass abortion bills so restrictive it would've banned contraceptives right? SD is Missouri level</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue 06/19/18 10:27:53 PM #30:	Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him. <cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted [p:903601605] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fuparulez 06/19/18 10:33:41 PM #31:	How exactly did racist homophobes make it through the jury screening process? --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! <cite>Fuparulez posted [p:903601913] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>How exactly did racist homophobes make it through the jury screening process?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 06/19/18 10:35:07 PM #32:	Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted... Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him. Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign Twenty million starving and writhing in pain <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:903601986] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...</cite> <quote>Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him.</quote> Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 06/19/18 10:35:21 PM #33:	Fair next criminal scum. --- FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB Reylo Ship <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:903601998] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Fair next criminal scum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 06/19/18 10:37:44 PM #34:	Fuparulez posted... How exactly did racist homophobes make it through the jury screening process? Honest question, have you ever had jury duty? I have. It's basically a series of questions in a large room and you raise your hand to answer yes or don't for no. It's simple to lie. If it's a room of mixed races and they ask "are you racist?" How many people do you think would really raise their hand in the same room with all of those people? Not many, if any. I'm my experience everything was a group event, there were never one on one private intreviews or anything like that. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign Twenty million starving and writhing in pain <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:903602120] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>How exactly did racist homophobes make it through the jury screening process?</quote> Honest question, have you ever had jury duty? I have. It's basically a series of questions in a large room and you raise your hand to answer yes or don't for no. It's simple to lie. If it's a room of mixed races and they ask "are you racist?" How many people do you think would really raise their hand in the same room with all of those people? Not many, if any. I'm my experience everything was a group event, there were never one on one private intreviews or anything like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 06/19/18 10:39:22 PM #35:	You know, Antifar, this was probably the first time I was going to say you let me down because I thought it was going to be something stupid like the assumption that it was because he was gay but this is literally because he's gay and that's fucking garbage. So a straight man has a right to live but if he's gay, he needs to die because they think that just because he's gay, gay sex means he's just going to have a good time. I guess if a straight woman gets raped, it means she's just having a good time too since its the opposite gender! RIGHT? <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:903602209] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>You know, Antifar, this was probably the first time I was going to say you let me down because I thought it was going to be something stupid like the assumption that it was because he was gay but this is literally because he's gay and that's fucking garbage. So a straight man has a right to live but if he's gay, he needs to die because they think that just because he's gay, gay sex means he's just going to have a good time. I guess if a straight woman gets raped, it means she's just having a good time too since its the opposite gender! RIGHT?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 06/19/18 10:40:18 PM #36:	Damn_Underscore posted... spudger posted... a christian nation like america are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings? Many fundamentalists would actually hate Jesus if he actually came back today. --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:903602254] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>a christian nation like america</quote> are you really a christian if you do the exact opposite of jesus' teachings?</quote> Many fundamentalists would actually hate Jesus if he actually came back today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 06/19/18 10:40:47 PM #37:	America is absolutely fucked. So glad I don't live there. --- When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850) <cite>DavidWong posted [p:903602282] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>America is absolutely fucked. So glad I don't live there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/19/18 10:42:22 PM #38:	MabusIncarnate posted... Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted... Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him. Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life. But he wouldn't have waived his rights if he was straight. And that's the problem here. As Antifar said, a justice system without equality is not a justice system. "Criminals broke the law. Fuck them" does nothing to rationalize inequal application of the law. Also, if that's the case, then I guess non-murderers should be executed on the spot as well. That logically follows the dark age mentality of voiding your human rights by breaking the law. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:903602358] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...</cite> <quote>Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him.</quote> Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life.</quote> But he wouldn't have waived his rights if he was straight. And that's the problem here. As Antifar said, a justice system without equality is not a justice system. "Criminals broke the law. Fuck them" does nothing to rationalize inequal application of the law. Also, if that's the case, then I guess non-murderers should be executed on the spot as well. That logically follows the dark age mentality of voiding your human rights by breaking the law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/19/18 10:43:13 PM #39:	I don't know why I had to dig so hard to find out what actually happened, but I figured when the article made no mention of WHAT the SC said, nor what any lower court ruling was, that the story must have been bullshit. https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-8791/46893/20180515143955423_Rhines%20Brief.pdf "The jurors have stated they were moved to a death sentence by the calloused and gruesome nature of the murder and, most of all, by Rhines' bloodcurdling confession, in which he cackles while comparing young Donnivan's death spasms to a beheaded chicken running around a barnyard." EDIT: Further down it also points out that Rhines explicitly falsified Juror quotes. Don't fall for this bullshit. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:903602408] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>I don't know why I had to dig so hard to find out what actually happened, but I figured when the article made no mention of WHAT the SC said, nor what any lower court ruling was, that the story must have been bullshit. https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-8791/46893/20180515143955423_Rhines%20Brief.pdf <quote>"The jurors have stated they were moved to a death sentence by the calloused and gruesome nature of the murder and, most of all, by Rhines' bloodcurdling confession, in which he cackles while comparing young Donnivan's death spasms to a beheaded chicken running around a barnyard."</quote> EDIT: Further down it also points out that Rhines explicitly falsified Juror quotes. Don't fall for this bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/19/18 10:43:44 PM #40:	MabusIncarnate posted... Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted... Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him. Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life. Literally doesn't matter. Our legal system is, or in theory should, protect and give fair treatment to even the worst. Frankly you and those who have no issue with stuff like this are spitting in the face of the very core tenets of law in our nation. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:903602437] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...</cite> <quote>Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him.</quote> Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life.</quote> Literally doesn't matter. Our legal system is, or in theory should, protect and give fair treatment to even the worst. Frankly you and those who have no issue with stuff like this are spitting in the face of the very core tenets of law in our nation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TriforceSD 06/19/18 10:44:23 PM #41:	I've always wondered what prisons do with gay prisoners. From what I see, they don't house them with women. --- Our kitty has left to be with the Lord. RIP Rascal, March 12, 2016. We miss you dearly... <cite>TriforceSD posted [p:903602478] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>I've always wondered what prisons do with gay prisoners. From what I see, they don't house them with women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue 06/19/18 10:44:54 PM #42:	hockeybub89 posted... MabusIncarnate posted... Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted... Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him. Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life. But he wouldn't have waived his rights if he was straight. And that's the problem here. As Antifa said, a justice system without equality is not a justice systen. "Criminals broke the law. Fuck them" does nothing rationalize inequal application of the law. Also, if that's the case, then I guess non-murderers should be executed on the spot as well. That logically follows the dark age mentality of voiding your human rights by breaking the law. But you can't prove whether or not he would have been given a different sentence had he been straight. For all you know, the Jury would have just given another reason for the nose. The bottom line is, it's a non issue, a bad thing is gonna happen to a bad person. Who cares about equality anyways when it comes to the scummiest people on Earth? <cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted [p:903602499] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...</cite> <quote>Well he is a murderer. So no empathy for him.</quote> Hate to agree but I do. He ended someone's life against their will, that person is gone forever by his choice and his hands. Gay, straight, bi, I don't really care. He's a murderer. He waived his rights as a human when he took someone else's life.</quote> But he wouldn't have waived his rights if he was straight. And that's the problem here. As Antifa said, a justice system without equality is not a justice systen. "Criminals broke the law. Fuck them" does nothing rationalize inequal application of the law. Also, if that's the case, then I guess non-murderers should be executed on the spot as well. That logically follows the dark age mentality of voiding your human rights by breaking the law.</quote> But you can't prove whether or not he would have been given a different sentence had he been straight. For all you know, the Jury would have just given another reason for the nose. The bottom line is, it's a non issue, a bad thing is gonna happen to a bad person. Who cares about equality anyways when it comes to the scummiest people on Earth?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/19/18 10:47:04 PM #43:	Also, imagine being disgusted by homosexuality while deliberating over a fucking murder sentencing. How fucked in the head do you have to be to even think about orientation at a time like that? I guess people are right that America's moral fiber is fucked, just not in the way they think. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:903602610] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>Also, imagine being disgusted by homosexuality while deliberating over a fucking murder sentencing. How fucked in the head do you have to be to even think about orientation at a time like that? I guess people are right that America's moral fiber is fucked, just not in the way they think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/19/18 10:48:45 PM #44:	Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted... Who cares about equality anyways when it comes to the scummiest people on Earth? Everyone or no one. Not a lot of good precedent in world history with declaring who is or isn't fully human. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:903602689] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...</cite> <quote>Who cares about equality anyways when it comes to the scummiest people on Earth? </quote> Everyone or no one. Not a lot of good precedent in world history with declaring who is or isn't fully human.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue 06/19/18 10:48:50 PM #45:	hockeybub89 posted... Also, imagine being disgusted by homosexuality while deliberating over a fucking murder sentencing. How fucked in the head do you have to be to even think about orientation at a time like that? I guess people are right that America's moral fiber is fucked, just not in the way they think. It's a valid train of thought. I don't want to be in prison, but I'd imagine I'd make out pretty well in an all female facility. <cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted [p:903602696] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, imagine being disgusted by homosexuality while deliberating over a fucking murder sentencing. How fucked in the head do you have to be to even think about orientation at a time like that? I guess people are right that America's moral fiber is fucked, just not in the way they think.</quote> It's a valid train of thought. I don't want to be in prison, but I'd imagine I'd make out pretty well in an all female facility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue 06/19/18 10:50:08 PM #46:	hockeybub89 posted... Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted... Who cares about equality anyways when it comes to the scummiest people on Earth? Everyone or no one. Not a lot of good precedent in world history with declaring who is or isn't fully human. It isn't about who is human or who isn't. I don't care what justification is used to kill these people because they killed someone. Obviously this shouldn't apply to drug dealers and thief's but when it comes to killers or rapists? The more dead, the better. That is just <cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted [p:903602766] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...</cite> <quote>Who cares about equality anyways when it comes to the scummiest people on Earth? </quote> Everyone or no one. Not a lot of good precedent in world history with declaring who is or isn't fully human.</quote> It isn't about who is human or who isn't. I don't care what justification is used to kill these people because they killed someone. Obviously this shouldn't apply to drug dealers and thief's but when it comes to killers or rapists? The more dead, the better. That is just</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedzXVIII 06/19/18 10:51:34 PM #48:	When the murder deserves more rights than the murdered --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:903602838] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>When the murder deserves more rights than the murdered</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/19/18 10:51:45 PM #49:	It literally doesn't matter... he made up the quotes. You're arguing over something that never happened https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-8791/46893/20180515143955423_Rhines%20Brief.pdf "The jurors have stated they were moved to a death sentence by the calloused and gruesome nature of the murder and, most of all, by Rhines' bloodcurdling confession, in which he cackles while comparing young Donnivan's death spasms to a beheaded chicken running around a barnyard." Further down it also points out that Rhines explicitly falsified Juror quotes. Don't fall for this bullshit. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:903602850] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>It literally doesn't matter... he made up the quotes. You're arguing over something that never happened <quote>https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-8791/46893/20180515143955423_Rhines%20Brief.pdf <quote>"The jurors have stated they were moved to a death sentence by the calloused and gruesome nature of the murder and, most of all, by Rhines' bloodcurdling confession, in which he cackles while comparing young Donnivan's death spasms to a beheaded chicken running around a barnyard."</quote> Further down it also points out that Rhines explicitly falsified Juror quotes. Don't fall for this bullshit. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NonDairyMiltank 06/19/18 10:56:01 PM #50:	responses like "durr he committed a crime so its okay if he gets executed, no sympathy durr" are proof of a lack of brain cells... if that's your take on this article, you're either a dismissive bigot or you're missing the forest for the trees altogether and even if the scenario didn't actually happen, this is an issue that shouldn't be dismissed in the real world the paramount controversy isn't the man as an individual and his crime it's the possibility of a group of jurors being actively biased in the legal process, which could affect hundreds of people just because they're gay... that kind of backward ass thinking could impact the sentencing of lgbt people, prompting courts to lean towards death sentences just because of sexual orientation that's a gross misuse of the justice system that's discriminatory! nobody gets a higher chance of a death sentence because they're straight... <cite>NonDairyMiltank posted [p:903603069] in Jurors sen... [t:76731470]...</cite> <quote>responses like "durr he committed a crime so its okay if he gets executed, no sympathy durr" are proof of a lack of brain cells... if that's your take on this article, you're either a dismissive bigot or you're missing the forest for the trees altogether and even if the scenario didn't actually happen, this is an issue that shouldn't be dismissed in the real world the paramount controversy isn't the man as an individual and his crime it's the possibility of a group of jurors being actively biased in the legal process, which could affect hundreds of people just because they're gay... that kind of backward ass thinking could impact the sentencing of lgbt people, prompting courts to lean towards death sentences just because of sexual orientation that's a gross misuse of the justice system that's discriminatory! nobody gets a higher chance of a death sentence because they're straight...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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