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ColdOne666 06/20/18 3:59:12 AM #155: |
The lefties itt and on this site are the biggest bunch of hypocritical, insane sociopaths i have ever seen.
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jborgan 06/20/18 4:03:26 AM #156: |
ColdOne666 posted...
The lefties itt and on this site are the biggest bunch of hypocritical, insane sociopaths i have ever seen. Everything you say is complete bullshit anyway, so nobody cares. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 06/20/18 4:15:08 AM #157: |
"It's the leftist extremists' fault that we have Donald Trump"
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Esrac 06/20/18 4:16:39 AM #158: |
Scottydoesntno posted...
wtf @ the first page pretending its OK to doxx someone... Its remarkable how we can see someone who would've been outraged at doxing under other circumstances is in favor of it when its targeting people they disapprove of. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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008Zulu 06/20/18 4:17:23 AM #159: |
BWLurker2 posted...
I mean, a lot of these people are just doing their jobs. "We were just following orders" is not a defense. They have every right to disobey an order they feel is unethical. --- Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. - Arthur Schopenhauer. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 06/20/18 5:42:04 AM #160: |
Esrac posted...
Its remarkable how we can see someone who would've been outraged at doxing under other circumstances is in favor of it when its targeting people they disapprove of. I don't know that it's necessarily remarkable. It just indicates that what they take issue with isn't the practice of doxxing in principle, it's the application. If you can find instances of them saying anything close to "doxxing is unconditionally wrong and should never be done", then I'll agree that it's hypocritical, for sure. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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soyforsteaks 06/20/18 5:50:19 AM #161: |
fight evil with evil, us liberals are tired of playing fair
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DarthWendy 06/20/18 5:54:19 AM #162: |
Vyrulisse posted...
No that's not cool. It's never cool to do that especially to federal agents who may have their families targeted by certain elements because of this. This. --- Ave Caesar, Rosae Rosam et Spiritus Rex ! - Voila, ca ne veut absolument rien dire, mais l'effet reste le meme. https://imgur.com/z1pkX ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonOctopus 06/20/18 5:56:00 AM #163: |
This is why Trump won
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Esrac 06/20/18 6:04:19 AM #164: |
scar the 1 posted...
Esrac posted...Its remarkable how we can see someone who would've been outraged at doxing under other circumstances is in favor of it when its targeting people they disapprove of. I would like to think most people can agree that compiling and posting someone's personal information and releasing it to other people that might be willing to harass, threaten, or harm them and their families is generally bad form regardless of sides. Otherwise, I guess they're in the "No bad tactics, only bad targets" camp. In which case, they're opposed to doxing or harassment when it happens to someone they sympathize with, but are all for it when it's someone they oppose. Reminds me of a certain poster here who was critical of public figures like Anita Sarkeesian getting harassed online back during and before Gamergate. But when Ivanka Trump is getting harassed in person on an airplane, he had no problem with that. I guess I'm saying a little consistency would be nice. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 6:08:53 AM #165: |
Did Anita support or present any policy that is intended to harm minorities? Did Anita take a political position created by her father and become a major representative for our nation without being elected or even nominated to that position by any sort of committee? Has Anita, in representing our nation on an international stage, further harmed our standing with other nations?
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Esrac 06/20/18 6:12:55 AM #166: |
gunplagirl posted...
Did Anita support or present any policy that is intended to harm minorities? Did Anita take a political position created by her father and become a major representative for our nation without being elected or even nominated to that position by any sort of committee? Has Anita, in representing our nation on an international stage, further harmed our standing with other nations? I don't think that's particularly relevant when it comes to whether or not public harassment is okay. It's either okay to harass people or it isn't. If it becomes permissible to harass or abuse people who you oppose politically, then it is permissible for them to harass and abuse you. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 6:15:24 AM #167: |
Esrac posted...
gunplagirl posted...Did Anita support or present any policy that is intended to harm minorities? Did Anita take a political position created by her father and become a major representative for our nation without being elected or even nominated to that position by any sort of committee? Has Anita, in representing our nation on an international stage, further harmed our standing with other nations? Hardly so, you're creating a false paradigm where one need not apply --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 06/20/18 6:20:58 AM #168: |
Esrac posted...
I would like to think most people can agree that compiling and posting someone's personal information and releasing it to other people that might be willing to harass, threaten, or harm them and their families is generally bad form regardless of sides. I dunno, I'm seeing more and more people giving up. Giving up in the sense that they feel that talking is not going to work on people they consider fascist, Nazi, whatever. Using a reasoning along the lines of "fascists welcome the discussion, because in the end they don't care about words, they care about action". So yeah, there is probably a decent amount of people out there who are suffering from some sort of cognitive dissonance, but I'm sure there's also a sizable chunk of people who are quite consistent in there reasoning. Even if you strongly disagree with it. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 06/20/18 7:36:19 AM #169: |
WTF @ all the people saying this is ok. What's wrong with liberals?
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Coffeebeanz 06/20/18 7:38:50 AM #170: |
Doxing people will never be acceptable to me. It's never the person that suffers, it's their family.
Not to mention how often people get doxxed because the internet has roughly 5% of the information about a subject. That guy who was falsely accused of rape in the Sherita Dixon Cole case is still getting harassed despite continuous body cam footage clearing him definitively. Internet vigilantism is wrong. Not only is there way too much collateral damage when you dox someone, but also a large percent of the time the direct target wasn't even at fault, or the story is grossly distorted. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 06/20/18 7:48:40 AM #171: |
I'm with Vy on this one.
Doxxing is wrong and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's cowardly, too. Instead of making an effort against someone, you're just hoping someone worse than you does something horrible. It's like trying to win an argument by opening a cage of hyenas. In my opinion, ICE agents culpable in these violations on human rights should be held accountable, but that's to be decided by the courts, not the mob. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 06/20/18 7:56:38 AM #172: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...BWLurker2 posted... That feel when even CNN is saying this is bullshit that's taken out of context. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 06/20/18 8:00:17 AM #173: |
It's almost like childish emotional tantrums are not a good substitute for objective justice.
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Esrac 06/20/18 10:14:30 AM #174: |
gunplagirl posted...
Esrac posted...gunplagirl posted...Did Anita support or present any policy that is intended to harm minorities? Did Anita take a political position created by her father and become a major representative for our nation without being elected or even nominated to that position by any sort of committee? Has Anita, in representing our nation on an international stage, further harmed our standing with other nations? That is awfully convenient of you to say. Maybe that kind of mindset makes it easier for to swing bikelocks around. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 10:36:08 AM #175: |
Esrac posted...
gunplagirl posted...Esrac posted...gunplagirl posted...Did Anita support or present any policy that is intended to harm minorities? Did Anita take a political position created by her father and become a major representative for our nation without being elected or even nominated to that position by any sort of committee? Has Anita, in representing our nation on an international stage, further harmed our standing with other nations? How do I put this There's this paradox with tolerance. Yes, tolerate people and things who might differ from you. But do not tolerate intolerance that seeks to dehumanize and harm others for being different. Shun such viewpoints and silence them, as they will only harm others. Similar concepts all around. Don't doxx people like Anita just because she has differing views about how video games should be, or for saying video game culture is a festering pit of sexist tropes. DO shun people who willingly remain employed by, and enforce the policies of racist institutions that use language that explicitly dehumanizes people solely upon their country of origin. For what it's worth, "just following orders" is not an accepted defense for crimes against humanity. And the ICE agents who got doxxed, if you can even call it that when it was info on a publicly accessible website? More likely than not, they're not jut complicit but guilty of human rights violations at this point. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 10:37:47 AM #176: |
As for convenience? Creating a false paradigm (it's either always A or always B, no room for nuance) when there's nothing stating there can only be one outcome or the other would be a very good example.
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Antifar 06/20/18 10:39:25 AM #177: |
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We know your opinions on Israel. You don't give a shit about us, Israel is not "the Jewish people." --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 06/20/18 10:41:55 AM #178: |
scar the 1 posted...
Esrac posted...I would like to think most people can agree that compiling and posting someone's personal information and releasing it to other people that might be willing to harass, threaten, or harm them and their families is generally bad form regardless of sides. I don't see a lot of attempt at discussion in general. I do see attempts at discussion getting protested or ostracized through "no platforming" policies, etc. It doesn't seem like the political Left is very willing to talk to the political Right. The more moderate ones who suggest or attempt to do so face a lot of backlash from the less diplomatic ones. A go-to example is the feminist activist and sex-ed youtuber Laci Green, who was doxxed, harassed, and had her reputation smeared by others on the Left because she suggested that those on the Left should actually talk to those on the Right. I'm not going to pretend they're going to change the minds of most actual Nazis. I think if you're actually a full-on Nazi, your radical beliefs are probably set in stone. But most people on the Right aren't Nazis. Refusing to engage with moderate conservatives, or even center-left figures who might be a little problematic, isn't going to help the situation. Labeling the moderate ones alt-right nazis really isn't helping either. I won't say I have a flawless grasp on the situation, because confirmation bias is a bitch and I'm as vulnerable to it as anyone, but it does seem to me that the Left is less willing to engage in civil discussion than I would like to see. That doesn't excuse trolls on the Right throwing around insults like "cuck" and "soyboy" who just want to gloat because they're the ones currently in power, of course. I'm sorry if I'm rambling and getting off topic. I'm running on two hours of sleep and red bull. Just had to bring my daughter to school after an all-nigh, 10-hour shift at work and I'm not super-coherent. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 06/20/18 10:57:35 AM #179: |
Esrac posted...
This comes down to where we're looking, I think. I was talking specifically about people on this board. I see now, compared to previous years, more people who are openly and expressly "revolutionaries" rather than moderates. But ultimately I think there is a point in what gunplagirl is saying, although I'm not sure I agree with all of it. What I do agree with is this: There's a fundamental difference between tolerating differing opinions and tolerating what amounts to intolerance (or worse), and failing to acknowledge that leads the the kind of false balance of "both sides are equally bad", which I completely disagree with. Beyond that, however, is where it gets tricky, because drawing a clear line between what's an acceptable differing opinion and what is completely unacceptable is tricky, and it's also tricky to figure out who should do it. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 06/20/18 10:58:35 AM #180: |
gunplagirl posted...
Esrac posted...gunplagirl posted...Esrac posted...gunplagirl posted...Did Anita support or present any policy that is intended to harm minorities? Did Anita take a political position created by her father and become a major representative for our nation without being elected or even nominated to that position by any sort of committee? Has Anita, in representing our nation on an international stage, further harmed our standing with other nations? If you want to criticize these agencies that are enacting policies you disapprove of, protest their activities publically, work to enact policy change, etc. that is great. Have at it. But there is a line between that and engaging in tactics of harassment, doxing, and other deeds that perpetuate or enable abuse and violence. Even against your political opposition. What I hear from you is "it's okay when we do it, because our cause is right". If you want to support these tactics of abuse and violence, go ahead. But I don't want to hear you complain the next time a neo-Nazi rams a car into protesters. Your allowance for bad tactics contributes to that kind of escalation. Saying the ICE agents listed in the compiled information are probably guilty of human rights violations anyway doesn't justify it. But then, we did just have a fact checked at a major news publication falsely accuse an ICE agent of having Nazi tattoos and that publication had to issue an apology after it quickly became apparent she was full of shit. So, you know, maybe don't assume they're evil stormtroopers right out the gate. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bover_87 06/20/18 11:00:44 AM #182: |
As far as I'm concerned, doxxing is off-limits because it tends to affect the families of the doxx'd at least as much as the individual themselves. But the agents participating in this deserve every last bit of shame and consequences on a personal level. 'It's my job' and 'I'm just following orders' don't justify violations of basic human decency.
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Kineth 06/20/18 11:02:53 AM #183: |
All is fair in love and war.
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 11:12:51 AM #184: |
Ah, so doxxing people who work for an agency that is putting kids in cages is just as bad as a Nazi literally and intentionally crashing into protestors?
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ChainedRedone 06/20/18 11:15:04 AM #185: |
Kineth posted...
All is fair in love and war. It's not shitty security. It's public information. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 06/20/18 11:16:27 AM #186: |
scar the 1 posted...
Esrac posted... I'm looking beyond just this message board and at population of political activism in general. When I talk about the Left (I know it isn't a monolith, but bear with me for brevity) being unwilling to engage and too eager to disparage the moderates who are willing to engage and smearing moderate liberals and conservatives as the worst of the alt-right, I am talking about a series of events I've observed. I already mentioned Laci Green. But Cassie Jay had her reputation smeared by feminist protesters and news media because she made a film that suggested maybe some MRAs have a few good points. Maajid Nawaz, a moderate Muslim critical of radical Islam, just recently got an apology and settlement from the SPLC after they labelled him an anti-Muslim extremist a couple years ago. Bret Weinstein, the former Evergreen professor, was labelled a racist, harassed and stalked by progressive protesters and pressured into resigning by the college administration because he made a statement that compelling white faculty and students to stay off campus during the traditional Day of Absence was not a good thing to do. And so on. Not even talking about the far-right inflammatory folks like Milo and Richard Spencer. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 11:16:39 AM #187: |
Asherlee10 posted...
As shitty as the ICE agents are, they don't deserve this. If we want this to stop, then vote these people out of office who control this scenario. ICE was formed in the post 911 world, and utilized under Obama. It isn't something we can "vote out" and especially not when representation isn't reflective of population. And yes, ice agents deserve this. They know what their jobs entail and continue to go there. Nobody forces them to remain employed there. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningAce11 06/20/18 11:17:53 AM #188: |
Is it really doxxing if the information was already public?
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Trigg3rH4ppy 06/20/18 11:20:56 AM #189: |
Vyrulisse posted...
No that's not cool. It's never cool to do that especially to federal agents who may have their families targeted by certain elements because of this. Yeah it'd be a real shame if someone tore their families apart --- ~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~ TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://imgur.com/zlaENmx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 11:21:25 AM #190: |
LightningAce11 posted...
Is it really doxxing if the information was already public? Public information that they willingly surrendered to a website that anybody can access, with zero filters on what's accessible --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 06/20/18 11:23:21 AM #191: |
gunplagirl posted...
LightningAce11 posted...Is it really doxxing if the information was already public? So then why are the conservaderps crying so much about this? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MFBKBass5 06/20/18 11:24:32 AM #192: |
RebelElite791 posted...
Vyrulisse posted...No that's not cool. It's never cool to do that especially to federal agents who may have their families targeted by certain elements because of this. --- !!!!!!!!! https://imgur.com/DzJSPWA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 06/20/18 11:29:34 AM #193: |
gunplagirl posted...
Ah, so doxxing people who work for an agency that is putting kids in cages is just as bad as a Nazi literally and intentionally crashing into protestors? /eyeroll Typical dipshittery. I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse or what. I didn't say doxing ICE agents was as bad as a Nazi running over protesters. I said I don't want to hear you complaining about that kind of thing because your tacit approval of these kinds of bad tactics contribute to that kind of violent escalation. Sure, it starts with no platforming, public smearing, and doxing, so the other side sets up their own stage. Then your side protests their stage. Then their side gets your side removed by security. Then your side throws a punch. Then their side swings a club. Then your side swings a bike lock. Then their side shows up in body armor. Then your side throws M80s and bricks. Then their side shows up with a gun. And so on. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/20/18 11:35:50 AM #194: |
Esrac posted...
gunplagirl posted...Ah, so doxxing people who work for an agency that is putting kids in cages is just as bad as a Nazi literally and intentionally crashing into protestors? How is it being obtuse if you didn't take time to actually expand upon that concept? For that matter, that's basically a "husband telling a wife he doesn't want to beat her but she messed up laundry again so he has to teach her a lesson" type of mentality. Putting the onus on the abusers (literal Nazis in your example) is the proper way to go about it. Not those who, in seeking to curtail such violence, choose to use doxxing and other strategies. I'm sure you're one of those "never punch a Nazi" types, even though there's plenty of evidence and even quotes from Nazis at this point demonstrating that their fear of being harmed or doxxed is directly responsible for a reduction in turn outs and recruitment. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 06/20/18 11:51:25 AM #195: |
gunplagirl posted...
Esrac posted...gunplagirl posted...Ah, so doxxing people who work for an agency that is putting kids in cages is just as bad as a Nazi literally and intentionally crashing into protestors? I'm not going to pretend Leftist activists are trying to curtail violence when they've been swing bike locks, throwing tear gas and M80s, and showing up at conservative gatherings looking to pick a fight. Or compiling convenient lists of ICE agents' information for "some reason". Your husband and wife metaphor is nonsensical and I don't believe it applies to a situation in which we have opposing political forces committing escalating acts of abuse against each other. Believing your cause is just doesn't excuse engaging in bad tactics like doxing. Also, you're right. I don't think citizens in black hoods and masks physically assaulting people in public for reprehensible beliefs is justified. I would rather have the actual Nazis on a watchlist, arrested, put on trial, and summarily executed. Because I do believe supporting and acting for actual Nazism is literally treason against the United States. What I don't support, if you've followed my exchange with scar at all, is what seems to be the Left's current tendency to disengage from even moderate conservatives and disparage and ostracize moderate liberals who do. I would like to see actual Nazis prosecuted, but too many on the Left want to throw that label around like anyone right of center is an alt-right Richard Spencer doppelganger. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 06/20/18 11:52:55 AM #196: |
ChainedRedone posted...
Kineth posted...All is fair in love and war. Well snap. Then what the fuck are people crying about. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 06/20/18 11:53:35 AM #197: |
ChainedRedone posted...
gunplagirl posted...LightningAce11 posted...Is it really doxxing if the information was already public? Because the big meany liberals aren't being nice to them anymore --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thrashmetal14 06/20/18 11:53:48 AM #198: |
Just like cops and gangbangers that are shot down in the streets: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Blue_Inigo 06/20/18 11:53:52 AM #199: |
Fuck everyone at the ICE. They deserve much worse
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The_Ivory_Man 06/20/18 11:56:42 AM #200: |
Link43130 posted...
didn't he doxx these people by simply compiling the information they themselves had posted on linkedin? So doxxing journalists and such is a-okay now? Most doxxes are with publicly available info, doesn't make them right at all. Bet I don't see you defending people doxxing Brianna Wu even though that was public into as well. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueJester007 06/20/18 11:59:42 AM #201: |
Howl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...Vyrulisse posted...No that's not cool. It's never cool to do that especially to federal agents who may have their families targeted by certain elements because of this. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 06/20/18 12:04:53 PM #203: |
If you signed up to work for ICE over the last five years after seeing all of the terrible things they do, I don't think you have grounds to act like it's just a job for you.
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