Current Events > What video games have a better story than Final Fantasy Tactics?

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Panthera posted...

No one will agree with me, but FFXII

Had the dev kerfuffle not happened, I'd agree. That game was super ambitious, but all the careful plotting just kind of disappears after Raithwall.
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apolloooo posted...

Holy shit 49 posts and no one mentioned planescape torment.
Fucking weebs and casuals

That's a good one too, and especially Baldur's Gate which is way high up there with Xenogears.
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I want to know why it isnt on Steam yet. Might be easier to mod it

But its sure it will be the WotL bull shit
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Kineth posted...

frozenshock posted...

Well, if you just played Final Fantasy Tactics, you might as well pick up Tactics Ogre on the PSP. Very similar

My copy of FFT is almost old enough to drink. I've tried many times to cling together, but that game wouldn't let me/my patience wore thin.

Vyrulisse posted...

FFXIV once the Ivalice stuff really gets going. >.>

Lord, gimme the strength to stay this hand.

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Kaliesto posted...

apolloooo posted...

Holy shit 49 posts and no one mentioned planescape torment.
Fucking weebs and casuals

That's a good one too, and especially Baldur's Gate which is way high up there with Xenogears.

Xenogears story is garbage and makes no sense. Its just a bunch of pretentious shit tied together by vague, meaningless gnostic words. To speak its name next to Planescape Torment should be a crime.

Within the genre, Tactics Ogres story is considerably better than Final Fantasy Tactics.
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Kineth posted...

Nice. 5 is my favorite as well. And 3 is in my top 5.

5 is especially good with the GBA translation. It pretty much throws the usual Final Fantasy seriousness completely by the wayside in favor of being downright silly(and very successfully!), but still manages to give a real sense of the bonds between your party members.
Speaking of FFV, it's Four Job Fiesta season! http://fourjobfiesta.com/

Back on topic, Fire Emblem(a.k.a. Blazing Sword) has an excellent plot. A tale of two friends caught up in a conspiracy dire beyond imagining that is nonetheless well-grounded in human terms. And Lyn is a legitimately tough and interesting character who just happens to be a woman(rather than that being the entire point of her existence, it's largely coincidental).
Plus, Hector. Imagine the one-liners we could get in a Blazing Sword movie.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

Speaking of FFV, it's Four Job Fiesta season! http://fourjobfiesta.com/

I remember this! I never played it correctly, I always just made my own rules since I always do shit like that.

My Rules -

Crystal 1 - Roll for Party Member 1
Crystal 2 - Roll for Party Member 2
Crystal 3 - Roll for Party Member 3
Crystal 4 - Roll for Party Member 4

So it be something like this -

Monk/Freelancer x3
Monk/Red Mage/Freelancer x2
Monk/Red Mage/Ranger/Freelancer
Monk/Red Mage/Ranger/Dancer

And I always solo Tactics. I haven't played with a full party in FFT in about 10 years and I play it 2 or 3 times a year
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My current fiesta run drew Black Mage-Berserker-Geomancer-Dragoon.
I job-faired Dragoon into Samurai. Not because Dragoons are bad(Berserker and Geomancer have that covered for me!), but because they're insanely boring. In any case, Black Mage has been doing the heavy lifting, to the surprise of no one.

Oh, Life Is Strange is a really strong story. Lots of well-textured characters and a good twist. Plenty of dramatic moments too!

I think I have Life Is Strange

I have a hard time getting into these story games these days because I like playing games while I listen to a podcast or something.

But I'll give it a chance if I do have it. Nope, I don't, lol

Edit, oh, the first episode is free on Steam
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

The original Mass Effect had an incredible setting, and the world building was phenomenal. I truly believe it could have been gaming's Star Trek or Star Wars. Too bad EA fucked it up because of their meddling...

I was going to post pretty much the same thing.

ME1 is probably my most played RPG ever (not counting Dark Souls), but ME2 completely killed my interest in the series. Never even played ME3 because of it. The first hour alone almost made me want to stop playing and the story only got more disappointing from there.

Vertania posted...

ME1 is probably my most played RPG ever (not counting Dark Souls), but ME2 completely killed my interest in the series. Never even played ME3 because of it. The first hour alone almost made me want to stop playing and the story only got more disappointing from there.

This is me as well, though I didn't like the first game as much as you, I thought it was fantastic. Didn't even finish 2 and never started 3
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God damn, I think I'm going to start up Tactics right now

Guys, what should my Ramza be?

The last two runs I did were -

Time Mage
Draw Out
Speed Save
Magic Attack UP
Teleport

Ninja
Jump
Hamedo
Two Hands
Move +3

All I ask is you don't fuck me over. I don't do SSCCs for a reason, lol

I hate to grind (don't want the levels) and in some of those you have to catch a few extra levels to get past some of the Zodiac Monsters thanks to not being able to cover every single thing on your one unit

An no god damn Bard! I'm not going to sit there singing to myself with no friends like I do in real life. I want to escape real life, lol

PS -

I've had a master save for a really long time, over a couple copies, that has a legit Level 1 Ramza with almost all the skills unlocked (All Jobs) by using Spill Over JP so I can start up any solo run I want, whenever I want
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juicebox4 posted...

Danganronpa 1 & 2
Silent Hill 2

Those would be up there too imo.

Hell, Silent Hill 4 had a really interesting story too, if you could put up with the terrible gameplay. I'd argue Walter Sullivan is the most interesting character in the entire series.

Bad_Mojo posted...

I would say...

Geomancer
Time Magic
Hamedo
Equip Gun
Ignore Height
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seek and destroy
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The Deadpool posted...

Kaliesto posted...

apolloooo posted...

Holy shit 49 posts and no one mentioned planescape torment.
Fucking weebs and casuals

That's a good one too, and especially Baldur's Gate which is way high up there with Xenogears.

Xenogears story is garbage and makes no sense. Its just a bunch of pretentious shit tied together by vague, meaningless gnostic words. To speak its name next to Planescape Torment should be a crime.

Within the genre, Tactics Ogres story is considerably better than Final Fantasy Tactics.

That is very untrue, something tells me you didn't study what Xenogears was actually about.

And it's not something some people can get unless you studied it, and I don't wish to spoil that.
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Kaliesto posted...

That is very untrue, something tells me you didn't study what Xenogears was actually about.

You didnt like it because you didnt get it is the oldest cop out.
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The Deadpool posted...

Kaliesto posted...

That is very untrue, something tells me you didn't study what Xenogears was actually about.

You didnt like it because you didnt get it is the oldest cop out.

In this case it's not, but I don't want to spoil it because it takes away what makes the game amazing until 2nd disc without discovering it yourself but if you need to do so then I recommend Xenogears Perfect Works.

There was absolutely nothing pretentious about the story.

I don't like it when people need to shit on Authors or in this case it was two Authors (husband/Wife) who made the story without looking at the more finer details, and there was a lot more to it.
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Kineth posted...

@Bad_Mojo posted...

I would say...

Geomancer
Time Magic
Hamedo
Equip Gun
Ignore Height

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Kaliesto posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Kaliesto posted...

That is very untrue, something tells me you didn't study what Xenogears was actually about.

You didnt like it because you didnt get it is the oldest cop out.

In this case it's not, but I don't want to spoil it because it takes away what makes the game amazing until 2nd disc without discovering it yourself but if you need to do so then I recommend Xenogears Perfect Works.

Agreed.

There was absolutely nothing pretentious about the story.

I disagree, but I always take that criticism with a grain of salt because it generally means "durrr they're using big words, high concepts, interaction and dialogue that hurt my brain". There are pretentious elements in there, but only because they don't shy away from it rather than go after the intricacies. So I'm not saying it as a criticism.
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Kaliesto posted...

There was absolutely nothing pretentious about the story.

Get the fuck out of here.

All the biblical/gnostic references are completely pointless and meaningless. They dont add any meaning to the story that isnt already there, they dont say anything poignant about anything.

What does Xenogears Abel have to do with Biblical Abel? They both existed in early times. Thats it. Thats true for all the terms used. Theyre just window dressing that dont mean anything to the plot.

Oh and the plot is just the bad guy is some outer space being of massive power who nurtured humanity so he can consume it later. Thats the plot for Chrono fucking Trigger. Which, while a fun game, aint winning any writing awards.

Oh, and while Im here... Fuck Id. Id is the most clear example that the writers didnt have a clue as to what they were doing and were just adding bullshit as they went along. The Fei-is-Id twist is one those things that actually makes less sense as the game continues.

Its a cookie cutter JRPG story with randomly plucked gnostic names sprinkled on top for flavor.

The fact is achieve such cult classic status is a constant source of amusement.
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All you did was validate his assessment.
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Kineth posted...

Kineth posted...

@Bad_Mojo posted...

I would say...

Geomancer
Time Magic
Hamedo
Equip Gun
Ignore Height

Yeah, I saw, lol

I just have to get the drive to play it.
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I'm not going to feed this anymore as clearly you gone apeshit, read Xenogears Perfect Works.

I'll give you one thing, it's a scifi retelling of the bible though not 100% as it has it's own twists and that is basically what the whole basic outline was while it explored other ideas as well.

Xenosaga that followed was more of a sequel to the bible, but completely unrelated and not connected to Xenogears (different universes, though it would have been but unfortunate development setbacks and changes happened).
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Kaliesto posted...

Kineth posted...

SavenForever posted...

Xenogears

This would definitively be #1 if that second disk was actually fleshed out.

Yes definitely, Xenogears will always dominate really high up there.

I wish they would go back to that game and remaster it, and just use the old PS1 engine to finish up the game.

Well..if Square Enix hasn't lost the hardware for it, seems like a lot of Japanese Studios tend to lose their code and whatnot.

It's kinda like production. People tend to delete their footage after they are done with it. I don't think companies ever expected to re-release games back in those days.
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Kaliesto posted...

I'm not going to feed this anymore as clearly you gone apeshit, read Xenogears Perfect Works.

Two things. One, having a book outside of the game doesnt make the game better.

Perfect Works makes the story WORSE. The game heavily implies that the game takes place on Earth with their flashbacks of scientist Fei in seemingly Manhattan during seemingly Christmas. It gives the connections to the Bible just the tiniest of weights.

But Perfect Works undoes that. PW says Deus was created on Earth. So our normal history and religion happened and then in the future we created a terraforming machine that we decided to name Deus that crashlanded on some random alien planet and decided to keep on using names from the Bible and Gnosticism for essentially no reason.

Perfect Works actually removes the this is the Lie where your religion comes from aspect of the game and makes all those references not just pointless, but also dumb.
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tactics ogre luct
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Easily Xenogears. Not really even closr tbh
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The Deadpool posted...

Oh, and while Im here... f*** Id. Id is the most clear example that the writers didnt have a clue as to what they were doing and were just adding bulls*** as they went along. The Fei-is-Id twist is one those things that actually makes less sense as the game continues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego#Id

Just because you lack culture doesn't mean it makes no sense. Literally anyone with basic psycology knowledge could see it coming a mile away.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Oh, and while Im here... f*** Id. Id is the most clear example that the writers didnt have a clue as to what they were doing and were just adding bulls*** as they went along. The Fei-is-Id twist is one those things that actually makes less sense as the game continues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego#Id

Just because you lack culture doesn't mean it makes no sense. Literally anyone with basic psycology knowledge could see it coming a mile away.

I got the reference isnt the same thing as this makes sense.

First off Id (the character) isnt Feis Id (the Freudian concept). The Freudian concept is a part of each personality, while the character is a separate personality created by the Coward in order to suffer parental abuse in the Cowards place. Going by Freud, Id (the character, the Coward and Fei would each have their own Id, Ego and Super Ego. Also neither the Coward nor Fei have anything to do with Ego or Super Ego. It is another case of the name being used without any meaning. Its just there to make people go oh I heard about that in High School. This game is smart and so am I for noticing without meaning anything.

But thats not why he doesnt make sense. He doesnt make sense because the game routinely cheats to make Id appear without anyone noticing that its Fei.

The worst offender is when Rico beats up Fei and Id decides to take revenge. So when Fei goes to sleep Id takes over his body. At which point the incredibly powerful and destructive personality with glowing red aura and SSJ hair very quietly and stealthly floated upstairs past the open bar full of people, past the guard, down to the sewers where he killed not-Rico with his barehands. Then snuck back up with blood and sewage all over his hands and clothes, past the bar full of people, took a shower, did laundry and then went back to sleep... He did that what, three times?
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The Deadpool posted...

Kaliesto posted...

I'm not going to feed this anymore as clearly you gone apeshit, read Xenogears Perfect Works.

Two things. One, having a book outside of the game doesnt make the game better.

Perfect Works makes the story WORSE. The game heavily implies that the game takes place on Earth with their flashbacks of scientist Fei in seemingly Manhattan during seemingly Christmas. It gives the connections to the Bible just the tiniest of weights.

But Perfect Works undoes that. PW says Deus was created on Earth. So our normal history and religion happened and then in the future we created a terraforming machine that we decided to name Deus that crashlanded on some random alien planet and decided to keep on using names from the Bible and Gnosticism for essentially no reason.

Perfect Works actually removes the this is the Lie where your religion comes from aspect of the game
and makes all those references not just pointless, but also dumb.

And this is the part I feel this game really wasn't your cup of tea, and for the most Gnosticism is complicated in of itself and there is many interpretations to go by what it says and preaches.
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Kaliesto posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Kaliesto posted...

I'm not going to feed this anymore as clearly you gone apeshit, read Xenogears Perfect Works.

Two things. One, having a book outside of the game doesnt make the game better.

Perfect Works makes the story WORSE. The game heavily implies that the game takes place on Earth with their flashbacks of scientist Fei in seemingly Manhattan during seemingly Christmas. It gives the connections to the Bible just the tiniest of weights.

But Perfect Works undoes that. PW says Deus was created on Earth. So our normal history and religion happened and then in the future we created a terraforming machine that we decided to name Deus that crashlanded on some random alien planet and decided to keep on using names from the Bible and Gnosticism for essentially no reason.

Perfect Works actually removes the this is the Lie where your religion comes from aspect of the game
and makes all those references not just pointless, but also dumb.

And this is the part I feel this game really wasn't your cup of tea, and for the most Gnosticism is complicated in of itself and there is many interpretations to go by what it says and preaches.

If reading a book ruins your prior experience of playing a game, then the game probably wasn't that great anyway.

Kaliesto posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Kaliesto posted...

I'm not going to feed this anymore as clearly you gone apeshit, read Xenogears Perfect Works.

Two things. One, having a book outside of the game doesnt make the game better.

Perfect Works makes the story WORSE. The game heavily implies that the game takes place on Earth with their flashbacks of scientist Fei in seemingly Manhattan during seemingly Christmas. It gives the connections to the Bible just the tiniest of weights.

But Perfect Works undoes that. PW says Deus was created on Earth. So our normal history and religion happened and then in the future we created a terraforming machine that we decided to name Deus that crashlanded on some random alien planet and decided to keep on using names from the Bible and Gnosticism for essentially no reason.

Perfect Works actually removes the this is the Lie where your religion comes from aspect of the game
and makes all those references not just pointless, but also dumb.

And this is the part I feel this game really wasn't your cup of tea, and for the most Gnosticism is complicated in of itself and there is many interpretations to go by what it says and preaches.

That had absolutely nothing to do with what I said...
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Remember when we were talking about FFT?
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Remember when we were talking about FFT?

It is funny that this topic has turned into a Xenogears debate, but I will admit that it's competitive with FFT's story, so I ain't hating.
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