Current Events > Do you think America should be the country of the white man?

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kayoticdreamz posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

to the point of TC....whites should yes get to have their own country(s) just like other people. no one is calling for the diversification of China or Japan or Africa. it's strangely only white countries that need more diversity. it's not that other races or cultures are bad, it is more whether or not diversity has an economic policy for a country works, and given all the racial tension that is building up in this country, i would argue that diversity does exactly what it's root word "Div" says and that is it divides us making us the divides states of america and not the united states of america.

Also, this falls apart the second you know anything about American history. 'White' people (as you conveniently like to pretend are a homogenous group to begin with) aren't native to the Americas.

what does that have to do with anything? if anything it proves my points, the natives and europeans didn't exactly get along as evidenced by all that killing of each other they did.

Dash_Harber posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

there is also the fact that people are homogeneous by nature, and no it's not just nazis that behave that way. we all do it. it can easily be backed up by some googling and research.

That's factually wrong. Like 90% of the groups we talk about today (French, British, German, etc) all exclusively exist because of people mixing. As I've said before, British is literally Welsh, Briton, Irish, Pictish, Roman, Angle, Jute, Saxon, Danish, French/Norman, just for starters. It's hilarious to pretend now that humans can't mix.

Like, Ghengis Khan succeeded because he mixed. Romans succeeded because they mixed. You know why like 75% or Europe has Scandinavian ancestry? Ding ding ding, they mixed. It's in our very nature.

Also, this crap about diversity destabilizing the country is hilarious. Things are more stable now than they were in the 1930's or 40's, or, hell, even during the Cold War.

there are many breeds of white people FYI. French, Spanish, English, etc are all still white. A "White" Frenchmen and a "White" British woman will still make a white baby. sure purely ethnically at a real DNA Level, they are different, but that was never my point.

How a black human and a white human? those cultures are often so far different from each other, that not only do the children look like neither mom nor dad, but they are because of the vast culture and ethnic differences, have a very hard time being accepted by anyone.

you know damn well I wasn't talking about white country A mixed with white country B because those still produce a white child. it's more about staying within the ballpark, not getting an exact match. and for that, Chinese people, black people, mexican people, and white people and whoever else are all quite distinct from one another.

shut the fuck up
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Dash_Harber posted...

If we are going to argue that only people that started here should get exclusive right to the country, then the Americas belong to Aboriginal people.

I dont think anybody mentioned that, although the premise is faulty anyway. Aboriginal people in Australia, for example, did not create the modern society that exists there now, with all its connections to the rest of the world. The same holds true for the US and it gets further muddied when you consider the disconnect between all the various Native tribes. I mean who would you give back the American land to anyway, considering that these tribes warred against each other? I suppose you could try to return land according to whom we believe was there first, but then what are the specific dimensions of those properties and how do you determine the accuracy of any claims?

that would be monumentally challenging to figure out.
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No, that's an incredibly stupid idea and counter to the founding principles of the country.
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KINDERFELD posted...

China has Chinese presidents and their population is predominantly Chinese.
The Middle East has Arabic leaders and the population is predominantly Arabic.

So America should be run by Native American people rather than immigrants who came to the country?

ArchiePeck posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

China has Chinese presidents and their population is predominantly Chinese.
The Middle East has Arabic leaders and the population is predominantly Arabic.

So America should be run by Native American people rather than immigrants who came to the country?

I'm not sure how you arrived at that based on what I said.
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alt_no_1_loves posted...

No, that's an incredibly stupid idea and counter to the founding principles of the country.

ProtoManSPx posted...

alt_no_1_loves posted...

No, that's an incredibly stupid idea and counter to the founding principles of the country.

I'll give you $20 so you can go buy a clue.
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I got modded the last time I said something negative about white Americans : (
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KINDERFELD posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

alt_no_1_loves posted...

No, that's an incredibly stupid idea and counter to the founding principles of the country.

I'll give you $20 so you can go buy a clue.

I'll take it

The United States of America is the land of the FREE MAN and the BRAVE MAN, not the WHITE MAN.

You can have a non-white man who is BRAVE and FREE, and white man who is not (such as Hitler)

/THREAD
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It shouldn't be, but we're pretty much there.
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Doe posted...

"This land is your land"

What's the next part say?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Doe posted...

"This land is your land"

What's the next part say?

This man is my man

hockeybub89 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Nazi punks fuck off

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the NBA would suck if this happens

America is white country that brought in a lot of African slaves and eventually got a lot of immigrants (primarily from other white countries).

However being a white country doesn't mean that whites are "the" race or that other people don't exist, it's just a vague statement of the country's history and where it culturally fits in with the world. It's not something to be enforced. We've got a lot more in common with European countries than we do with African, East Asian, Middle-Eastern, Latin American, etc. countries.

Time for a history lesson:

- Native Americans were first
- Then brits arrived (considered white)
- Then other European people arrive, who are considered white now but weren't back then, for example, the Irish and Italians.
- At some point between # 2 and # 3, African slaves were imported. Lots of them.
- At some point, a lot of Asians were brought too: They worked in the railroads and mines, doing work considered too hard or dangerous for whites (sounds familiar?)
The US expanded westward, taking over French territories with black and creole people (Louisiana purchase), Spanish territories and Mexican territories: A bunch of "brown" people (Spanish, Mexican) already lived there and they didn't disappear, they continued their lives there and their descendants are still here.

That's a whole lot of non-white people and history right there. So when people like Richard Spencer, Steven Miller or Tucker Carlson insist that only white people should live here I can't help but laugh my ass off.
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BJ-blazkowics posted...

- Then other European people arrive, who are considered white now but weren't back then, for example, the Irish and Italians.

Irish not being considered white was just typical "fuck the Irish" sentiment even though people knew it made no sense. Italians not being considered white was a mix of xenophobia with a simple observation of their darker skin tone (occasionally).

This sort of thing shouldn't be an example of how "the white race is a nebulous and ill-founded concept" and more an example that people knowingly misused the definition as a weapon.

Oh yeah, India is another country where the rulers are all of Indian descent.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

- Then other European people arrive, who are considered white now but weren't back then, for example, the Irish and Italians.

Irish not being considered white was just typical "fuck the Irish" sentiment even though people knew it made no sense. Italians not being considered white was a mix of xenophobia with a simple observation of their darker skin tone (occasionally).

This sort of thing shouldn't be an example of how "the white race is a nebulous and ill-founded concept" and more an example that people knowingly misused the definition as a weapon.

Yeah, yet it's totally ok to deny white status to Spaniards or latin americans of Spanish descent? lmao
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

- Then other European people arrive, who are considered white now but weren't back then, for example, the Irish and Italians.

Irish not being considered white was just typical "fuck the Irish" sentiment even though people knew it made no sense. Italians not being considered white was a mix of xenophobia with a simple observation of their darker skin tone (occasionally).

This sort of thing shouldn't be an example of how "the white race is a nebulous and ill-founded concept" and more an example that people knowingly misused the definition as a weapon.

It's an issue of both, not one or the other.
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KINDERFELD posted...

Oh yeah, India is another country where the rulers are all of Indian descent.

lol
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just because something has traditionally been a certain way, it doesn't mean that it's a good thing, or should continue to go that way
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ProtoManSPx posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Doe posted...

"This land is your land"

What's the next part say?

This man is my man

My man is my man is your man
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boxington posted...

just because something has traditionally been a certain way, it doesn't mean that it's a good thing, or should continue to go that way

and even that isn't true (see post 70)
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^ I was responding to the points that the TC keeps making about countries like India and China
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It was for a long time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Vital_statistics_of_racial_and_ethnic_Groups_(since_1990)
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

If we are going to argue that only people that started here should get exclusive right to the country, then the Americas belong to Aboriginal people.

I dont think anybody mentioned that, although the premise is faulty anyway. Aboriginal people in Australia, for example, did not create the modern society that exists there now, with all its connections to the rest of the world. The same holds true for the US and it gets further muddied when you consider the disconnect between all the various Native tribes. I mean who would you give back the American land to anyway, considering that these tribes warred against each other? I suppose you could try to return land according to whom we believe was there first, but then what are the specific dimensions of those properties and how do you determine the accuracy of any claims?

that would be monumentally challenging to figure out.

I agree, but it makes it still makes more sense than someone saying, "America should be for white people".

KINDERFELD posted...

I'm not sure how you arrived at that based on what I said.

Because you are are arguing that China and the Middle East should be models for America in the sense that they are for one 'race' and made up predominately of one 'race'.

As mentioned, though, that is ridiculous.

First of all, China and the Middle East are not a homogenous culture. They are both made up of an insane amount of sub-groups and different cultures. They are not organized by skin tone.

Which leads me to the fact that skin tone is not a race. 'White' is not a race (or a culture, for that matter). There is a huge difference between, say, Irish pride and white pride.

Third, what fundamental right do white people have to the Americas? They didn't come here until recently. They have existed on the continent for, maybe, 1% of humanity's timeline. They have relatively little historical or cultural claim to the country (opposed to, say, China).

Nor are they the only predominately white country either.

It just makes zero sense on any level. There is absolutely no benefit to the idea at all.

KINDERFELD posted...

Oh yeah, India is another country where the rulers are all of Indian descent.

Uhhh ... you know they were colonized for a long ass time, right?

No. The US is a very multicultural country and should remain that way.

If any given white person wants a country all / primarily to their own race, they could go back to their European country of origin. If you're in a multicultural country, you deal with that. And just because you've traditionally been the majority in such a country doesn't give any right to expect it to stay that way.

With that being said, I do not believe active measures should be taken to ensure diversity either. Don't put any controls on it either way, and let what happens happens.
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DarkTransient posted...

With that being said, I do not believe active measures should be taken to ensure diversity either. Don't put any controls on it either way, and let what happens happens.

The problem is that without those measures, people like some of the ones in this topic can apply an unofficial version of an ethnostate.

Dash_Harber posted...

DarkTransient posted...

With that being said, I do not believe active measures should be taken to ensure diversity either. Don't put any controls on it either way, and let what happens happens.

The problem is that without those measures, people like some of the ones in this topic can apply an unofficial version of an ethnostate.

No, they cannot. Go spend some time actually thinking about the subject properly instead of blindly believing what your "we must have forced diversity" liberal overlords tell you to believe.
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DarkTransient posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

DarkTransient posted...

With that being said, I do not believe active measures should be taken to ensure diversity either. Don't put any controls on it either way, and let what happens happens.

The problem is that without those measures, people like some of the ones in this topic can apply an unofficial version of an ethnostate.

No, they cannot. Go spend some time actually thinking about the subject properly instead of blindly believing what your "we must have forced diversity" liberal overlords tell you to believe.

Uhhh, yes they can. It's pretty easy. Racists can simply not hire people, forcing them to seek money elsewhere. Landlords can refuse to rent. Shops can refuse to sell. There are a ton of things they can do.

Your heavy reliance on trying to shame me as a liberal (despite the fact that nothing I've said so far has identified my political beliefs) and trying to paint me as some sort of mindless sheep is ridiculous. Either have an argument or don't. Don't just try and insult me because you can't actually defend your shitty argument.

Dash_Harber posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

If we are going to argue that only people that started here should get exclusive right to the country, then the Americas belong to Aboriginal people.

I dont think anybody mentioned that, although the premise is faulty anyway. Aboriginal people in Australia, for example, did not create the modern society that exists there now, with all its connections to the rest of the world. The same holds true for the US and it gets further muddied when you consider the disconnect between all the various Native tribes. I mean who would you give back the American land to anyway, considering that these tribes warred against each other? I suppose you could try to return land according to whom we believe was there first, but then what are the specific dimensions of those properties and how do you determine the accuracy of any claims?

that would be monumentally challenging to figure out.

I agree, but it makes it still makes more sense than someone saying, "America should be for white people".

KINDERFELD posted...

I'm not sure how you arrived at that based on what I said.

Because you are are arguing that China and the Middle East should be models for America in the sense that they are for one 'race' and made up predominately of one 'race'.

As mentioned, though, that is ridiculous.

First of all, China and the Middle East are not a homogenous culture. They are both made up of an insane amount of sub-groups and different cultures. They are not organized by skin tone.

Which leads me to the fact that skin tone is not a race. 'White' is not a race (or a culture, for that matter). There is a huge difference between, say, Irish pride and white pride.

Third, what fundamental right do white people have to the Americas? They didn't come here until recently. They have existed on the continent for, maybe, 1% of humanity's timeline. They have relatively little historical or cultural claim to the country (opposed to, say, China).

Nor are they the only predominately white country either.

It just makes zero sense on any level. There is absolutely no benefit to the idea at all.

KINDERFELD posted...

Oh yeah, India is another country where the rulers are all of Indian descent.

Uhhh ... you know they were colonized for a long ass time, right?

No one is crying about how those countries need to be diversified, neither do they care for leaders who do not look like them.
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What's TCs solution for America becoming a white country anyways?
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KINDERFELD posted...

So China is the land of the Chinese race?

there is no one "Chinese race"

There are Han chinese, who are the most numerous in China
and then there are like 54 other ethnicities that have been living in China for millenia
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CrimsonRage posted...

and China oppresses them very badly to keep them from having a voice and threatening the Han majority.

perhaps TC wants that in America?

im honestly surprised this topic is still up
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A_Good_Boy posted...

What's TCs solution for America becoming a white country anyways?

Paint every house white
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Dash_Harber posted...

Uhhh, yes they can. It's pretty easy. Racists can simply not hire people, forcing them to seek money elsewhere. Landlords can refuse to rent. Shops can refuse to sell. There are a ton of things they can do.

What if I told you that you can have laws against outright racism, without putting forced diversity quotas and the like into place...?
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DarkTransient posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Uhhh, yes they can. It's pretty easy. Racists can simply not hire people, forcing them to seek money elsewhere. Landlords can refuse to rent. Shops can refuse to sell. There are a ton of things they can do.

What if I told you that you can have laws against outright racism, without putting forced diversity quotas and the like into place...?

Oh yeah, and how do you enforce them when literally anyone can just go, "Well, none of the black applicants for the job was a good fit"?

Dash_Harber posted...

Oh yeah, and how do you enforce them when literally anyone can just go, "Well, none of the black applicants for the job was a good fit"?

there are bodies that investigate these things
if they really find that all of the other candidates were worse than the one you chose, then you're fine

really, with discrimination laws you have NOTHING to worry about UNLESS you are doing something shady
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My main issue with immigration in the US isn't related to skin color, but rather small government. We bring in way too many families that end up relying on some form of government assistance. The whole, "give me your tired, your poor..." idea works ok with a free market, but not when you have a welfare state. When you mix a welfare state with 3rd world immigration, you enable leftists to weaponize immigration by simply importing Democrats who will reliably vote left because of their economic situation. We don't have magic soil that makes people suddenly value property rights.

https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households#refugees

Welfare use varies among immigrant groups. Households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico (73 percent), the Caribbean (51 percent), and Africa (48 percent) have the highest overall welfare use. Those from East Asia (32 percent), Europe (26 percent), and South Asia (17 percent) have the lowest.

Everybody wants to come here. We should be far more selective. Both the US and Europe will learn the hard way that you can have a welfare state, or you can have borders that are open to the 3rd world. You can't sustain both. Personally, my first choice would be to dump the welfare state entirely.
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