Current Events > can someone define "sjw pandering" to me

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because all i'm getting is that it seems to mean "anyone who isn't a straight white male is being treated with a modicum of respect and doesn't exist merely to be the butt of jokes"
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The main problem is that it's both a real thing and hyperbole. One real aspect of it can be seen in Marvel comics where they hired a ton of writers that pushed SJW bunk nobody cared about, and it resulted in poor sales of those works.

Then a false example is people complaining about Rey and Finn being main characters in the new Star Wars as pushing an agenda.

mario2000 posted...

anyone who isn't a straight white male

Heeere we go

Pandering to SJWs.

you're 100% right TC
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i mean im not gonna lie i've seen a choice few marvel panels that make me cringe but most of it seems to be people complaining about star wars and similar shit which i'm pretty sure is just people being sexist/racist
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This is pretty garbage tier bait
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Gamefaqs is really bad about thinking any form of representation is "SJW PANDERING" especially for LGBT themes. For many people, there is no form of representation for LGBT people that would be considered acceptable. But the same people don't complain about all the straight white pandering

I'd estimate 95%+ of the time somebody is whining about SJW pandering, they're just being a neckbeard
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mario2000 posted...

because all i'm getting is that it seems to mean "anyone who isn't a straight white male is being treated with a modicum of respect and doesn't exist merely to be the butt of jokes"

Fictional media in the late 80's, 90's and through to 2010 or so had diversity but it wasn't forced nor was there anyone being anti-white and shouting "too many whites/straights in dis!" demanding that they be removed. Same with 80's content too. I reference this time period because I grew up in it and remember. It was a civilized time tbh.
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just open a modern day marvel comic book

Something you don't like.
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Nerfing samuses morph balls
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thelovefist posted...

This is pretty garbage tier bait

You're saying that this bait attracts garbage tier posters? That's a self burn if ever there were one.

Funbazooka posted...

mario2000 posted...

because all i'm getting is that it seems to mean "anyone who isn't a straight white male is being treated with a modicum of respect and doesn't exist merely to be the butt of jokes"

Fictional media in the late 80's, 90's and through to 2010 or so had diversity but it wasn't forced nor was there anyone being anti-white and shouting "too many whites/straights in dis!" demanding that they be removed. Same with 80's content too. I reference this time period because I grew up in it and remember. It was a civilized time tbh.

Which fictional media has had forced diversity?
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Milkman5 posted...

just open a modern day marvel comic book

So anything you don't like. Got it.
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Wetterdew posted...

Gamefaqs is really bad about thinking any form of representation is "SJW PANDERING" especially for LGBT themes. For many people, there is no form of representation for LGBT people that would be considered acceptable. But the same people don't complain about all the straight white pandering

I'd estimate 95%+ of the time somebody is whining about SJW pandering, they're just being a neckbeard

Pretty much, it got really dumb following Horizon: Zero Dawn and the Last of Us 2 trailer.
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tennisdude818 posted...

LOL is that real
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its any story that treats women, different skin colors, LGBT individuals with any bit of respect
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Vyrulisse posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

LOL is that real

The next panel is arguably worse. That make villain has a female partner and to apologize for him being a boor and to show solidarity, she let's Female Thor punch her and apprehend her.

That panel is actually a good example of what people mean by SJW pandering. There are a number of cringey SJW Marvel comic panels.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Nerfing samuses morph balls

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@Esrac posted...

The next panel is arguably worse. That make villain has a female partner and to apologize for him being a boor and to show solidarity, she let's Female Thor punch her and apprehend her.

That panel is actually a good example of what people mean by SJW pandering. There are a number of cringey SJW Marvel comic panels.

Correct. The villain is actually married to the female villain Titania and Titania says she's giving dollar store Thor a "girl power pass"
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Making established characters gay, women, or a different race for no reason.
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For a start every movie now has to have a fourteen year old girl as the hero or super smart sidekick.
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Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

@Esrac posted...

The next panel is arguably worse. That make villain has a female partner and to apologize for him being a boor and to show solidarity, she let's Female Thor punch her and apprehend her.

That panel is actually a good example of what people mean by SJW pandering. There are a number of cringey SJW Marvel comic panels.

Correct. The villain is actually married to the female villain Titania and Titania says she's giving dollar store Thor a "girl power pass"

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/692501338178064385/photo/3

A little more cringe.
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It means that you aren't the exclusive target audience anymore so you have to cry about how unfair it is that a business is trying to sell to more customers.

when you go out of your way to insert "support" for things that clash with the vision of the project
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TheSextMachine posted...

Making established characters gay, women, or a different race for no reason.

Marvel gets a lot of flak for SJW pandering and I can kind of see why. They made a big push for increased minority representation as the face of their comics. That's fine, but they sidelined the traditionally white, male characters to do it.

Hulk couldn't be a white man anymore. So, they killed Bruce Banner and make Amadeus Cho the new Hulk. Thor couldn't be Thor anymore, so they made Thor unworthy and made Jane Foster the new Thor. Iron Man couldn't be a white man anymore, so they put Tony in a coma and replaced him with Riri William's. Captain America couldn't be a white man anymore, so they turned him evil and promoted Sam Wilson.

The Sam Wilson one is cool and makes sense and a successor, but the others are stupid.
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catboy0_0 posted...

when you go out of your way to insert "support" for things that clash with the vision of the project

I'm not saying you are wrong, but who defines the vision of the project? Isn't it defined by the people creating the project, and the people including those elements in the first place? I'm trying to apply this definition to, say, Star Wars, and I just don't see it. Is Rey pandering because a female hero goes against the creator's vision of Star Wars?

Esrac posted...

Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

@Esrac posted...

The next panel is arguably worse. That make villain has a female partner and to apologize for him being a boor and to show solidarity, she let's Female Thor punch her and apprehend her.

That panel is actually a good example of what people mean by SJW pandering. There are a number of cringey SJW Marvel comic panels.

Correct. The villain is actually married to the female villain Titania and Titania says she's giving dollar store Thor a "girl power pass"

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/692501338178064385/photo/3

A little more cringe.

Fucking hell lol
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@Esrac posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

Making established characters gay, women, or a different race for no reason.

Marvel gets a lot of flak for SJW pandering and I can kind of see why. They made a big push for increased minority representation as the face of their comics. That's fine, but they sidelined the traditionally white, male characters to do it.

Hulk couldn't be a white man anymore. So, they killed Bruce Banner and make Amadeus Cho the new Hulk. Thor couldn't be Thor anymore, so they made Thor unworthy and made Jane Foster the new Thor. Iron Man couldn't be a white man anymore, so they put Tony in a coma and replaced him with Riri William's. Captain America couldn't be a white man anymore, so they turned him evil and promoted Sam Wilson.

The Sam Wilson one is cool and makes sense and a successor, but the others are stupid.

They did it to Wolverine and Ghost Rider too. Plus they turned Iceman gay. Hawkeye got sidelined for the female Hawkeye. They made sure all 3 X-Men teams were lead by female X-Men even the team with one of the all-time best leaders in comic book history, Cyclops.
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Dash_Harber posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

when you go out of your way to insert "support" for things that clash with the vision of the project

I'm not saying you are wrong, but who defines the vision of the project? Isn't it defined by the people creating the project, and the people including those elements in the first place? I'm trying to apply this definition to, say, Star Wars, and I just don't see it. Is Rey pandering because a female hero goes against the creator's vision of Star Wars?

the point being they should work it in naturally, not just hack it in
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can someone define "sjw pandering" to me

Have you genuinely not been paying attention or are you just trying to start an arguing with an inflammatory subject and being dismissive?
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catboy0_0 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

when you go out of your way to insert "support" for things that clash with the vision of the project

I'm not saying you are wrong, but who defines the vision of the project? Isn't it defined by the people creating the project, and the people including those elements in the first place? I'm trying to apply this definition to, say, Star Wars, and I just don't see it. Is Rey pandering because a female hero goes against the creator's vision of Star Wars?

the point being they should work it in naturally, not just hack it in

But that's still ambiguous. Even if we pretend that there is a clear definition of standard, legitimate story progression, isn't the problem still poor writing and not SJW pandering?

Dash_Harber posted...

isn't the problem still poor writing and not SJW pandering?

SJW is basically characterized by its lack of nuance, militant attitude, and annoying, nagging, pc bullshit.
That means there's no such thing as good SJW writing.
There's good pro-gay stories, pro-women, pro-black, and so on but it ain't SJW just because it features
marginalized groups".
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

isn't the problem still poor writing and not SJW pandering?

SJW is basically characterized by its lack of nuance, militant attitude, and annoying, nagging, pc bullshit.
That means there's no such thing as good SJW writing.
There's good pro-gay stories, pro-women, pro-black, and so on but it ain't SJW just because it features
marginalized groups".

So what are some examples of what you're talking about?
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Of good writing featuring MGs?
Boyz in the Hood immediately comes to mind. It features all manor of black characters, good, bad, strong, weak, nuanced and real. Hell, it even features Laurence Fishburne preaching about the ills of gentrification (someone I've dismissed several times on this board) but it comes off as genuine at least.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Of good writing featuring MGs?
Boyz in the Hood immediately comes to mind. It features all manor of black characters, good, bad, strong, weak, nuanced and real. Hell, it even features Laurence Fishburne preaching about the ills of gentrification (someone I've dismissed several times on this board) but it comes off as genuine at least.

I mean bad ones. Or an example of 'SJW writing'

Marvel comics seem cringey but that's about it so far.
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Ghostbusters reboot is a prime example.
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Darmik posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

isn't the problem still poor writing and not SJW pandering?

SJW is basically characterized by its lack of nuance, militant attitude, and annoying, nagging, pc bullshit.
That means there's no such thing as good SJW writing.
There's good pro-gay stories, pro-women, pro-black, and so on but it ain't SJW just because it features
marginalized groups".

So what are some examples of what you're talking about?

https://imgur.com/gallery/RIcAF
That's how it was done in the 50s, anyway.

RE_expert44 posted...

Ghostbusters reboot is a prime example.

Ghostbusters 2016 was an example of people flipping their lids over nothing.

People got outraged and offended over the concept itself. People then got more outraged and offended when the director and actors tried to defend the movie or their staff from harassment.

Then the movie came out and it was just an average comedy reboot that starred 4 women as the leads. And everyone moved on.
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Darmik posted...

Then the movie came out and it was just an average comedy reboot that starred 4 women as the leads. And everyone moved on.

It wasn't so much being an "all female" version, or even being a bad movie. It was the immediate shrieks of "sexism!!!" whenever anyone expressed an opinion of disinterest, or of the movie being kinda mediocre.

*spanks TC's ass*
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Darmik posted...

Then the movie came out and it was just an average comedy reboot that starred 4 women as the leads. And everyone moved on.

It wasn't so much being an "all female" version, or even being a bad movie. It was the immediate shrieks of "sexism!!!" whenever anyone expressed an opinion of disinterest, or of the movie being kinda mediocre.

People were extremely aggressive in expressing their disinterest. Much more than usual.
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Darmik posted...

People got outraged and offended over the concept itself. People then got more outraged and offended when the director and actors tried to defend the movie or their staff from harassment.

You're missing where they called everyone sexist and attempt to bootstrap a grassroots campaign against popular opponents of the trailer, like the AVGN. Now granted, that's more of the reaction to negative criticism than the movie itself. Sony shit the bed trying to defend the movie from its inevitable flop.
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Darmik posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darmik posted...

Then the movie came out and it was just an average comedy reboot that starred 4 women as the leads. And everyone moved on.

It wasn't so much being an "all female" version, or even being a bad movie. It was the immediate shrieks of "sexism!!!" whenever anyone expressed an opinion of disinterest, or of the movie being kinda mediocre.

People were extremely aggressive in expressing their disinterest. Much more than usual.

Less so than Star Trek, as I recall it.

Yet, Ocean's 8 appears and nothing happens, even in spite of the movie only having 72% as many oceans as the men.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Darmik posted...

People got outraged and offended over the concept itself. People then got more outraged and offended when the director and actors tried to defend the movie or their staff from harassment.

You're missing where they called everyone sexist and attempt to bootstrap a grassroots campaign against popular opponents of the trailer, like the AVGN. Now granted, that's more of the reaction to negative criticism than the movie itself. Sony shit the bed trying to defend the movie from its inevitable flop.

Who is 'they'

I'd be surprised if anyone behind the movie even know who the AVGN is
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Anyways, I'm absolutely not going to rehash the arguments when you inevitable dismiss it (as seems to be your clear intent) but SW:TLJ was fucking egregious in its sjwism.
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