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dreamvoid
06/26/18 7:48:30 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44617081

A six-year-old child in the US state of Indiana found a loaded handgun in a couch at Ikea and fired it, police say.

The weapon had fallen into cushions as a shopper sat down to test the sofa at the store in a suburb of the state capital, Indianapolis.

Nobody was hurt in Monday's incident and no arrests have been made. Ikea said it had expressed "sincerest apologies" to the child's family.

Police say the gun-owner did not notice he had dropped his firearm.

"He sat down and somehow or another it became dislodged from this body and when he got up he didn't realise that he was without it," Tom Weger of the Fishers Police Department told the Washington Post.

The owner continued shopping and only became aware he had lost his gun when he heard gunfire.

The child fired one shot into a sofa cushion after "just a few minutes" of playing with the weapon, Mr Weger added.

"As soon as he realised there was a commotion in the store, the gun-owner quickly identified himself.... and fully co-operated with the investigation," he continued.

In its statement, Ikea said the "safety and security of customers and co-workers is the top priority".

Ikea "has a no-weapon policy in our locations to prevent exactly these types of situations," their statement continued.

Lawyer Guy Relford told local station WTTV News the gun-owner was unlikely to face any charges.


he should face some kind of punishment for being so careless.
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Hop103
06/26/18 7:49:24 PM
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This was a freak accident, so no punishment.
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kingdrake2
06/26/18 7:49:53 PM
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at least the kid didn't get hurt but it will be a life lesson to learn when he grows up.
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ghettoraider81
06/26/18 7:51:03 PM
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Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.
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Anisoptera
06/26/18 7:52:48 PM
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"People should be punished for making a mistake even though no one was hurt and nothing was damaged."

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littlebro07
06/26/18 7:53:55 PM
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How do you not notice the weight of a gun missing from you? I notice when my phone or wallet isn't in my pocket
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/26/18 7:54:29 PM
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ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.


I think he should be fined, but nothing beyond that.
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A_Good_Boy
06/26/18 7:54:34 PM
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Imagine excusing negligence with a firearm.
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06/26/18 7:55:11 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/26/18 7:55:37 PM
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Anisoptera posted...
"People should be punished for making a mistake even though no one was hurt and nothing was damaged."

-CE


"Sofa cushions are bulletproof and therefore not subject to damage if shot with a gun."

-Anisoptera
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DarthAragorn
06/26/18 7:55:42 PM
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Ban ikea
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
06/26/18 7:55:52 PM
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Ikea "has a no-weapon policy in our locations to prevent exactly these types of situations," their statement continued.

Then what the hell was the guy doing with the gun in there?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/26/18 7:57:11 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Ikea "has a no-weapon policy in our locations to prevent exactly these types of situations," their statement continued.

Then what the hell was the guy doing with the gun in there?


violating store policy (though to be fair, it's unlikely that he was aware of the policy and chose to ignore it. He probably just didn't think about it one way or another)
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Sayoria
06/26/18 7:57:22 PM
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Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


If you own a gun and are not responsible enough to make sure this type of "freak accident" doesn't happen, you shouldn't have a gun.
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DarkTransient
06/26/18 7:57:23 PM
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The gun owner is absolutely responsible for this. Given that no one was hurt and no significant damage was done, jail or death penalty is overkill, but a fine, as well as the bill for any needed repairs if the gunshot damaged stock / the building, is fully justified; as well as perhaps mandatory re-taking of gun safety training.
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spudger
06/26/18 7:58:03 PM
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prison
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AlecSkorpio
06/26/18 8:00:08 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
How do you not notice the weight of a gun missing from you? I notice when my phone or wallet isn't in my pocket


If it was a light enough gun and in a holster, he would maybe not notice.

My .38 revolver and PMR 30 weight close to the same weight as their holsters, but I also have retention holsters so they don't fall out :/

Even then, I actually always feel for my holster any time I sit up just in case it does fall out or get loose.
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eggcorn
06/26/18 8:02:23 PM
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ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

So if you spill coffee on your lap and swerve while driving but no one was hurt you should be punished? NOT IN MY AMERICA
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AlecSkorpio
06/26/18 8:02:54 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
as well as perhaps mandatory re-taking of gun safety training.


We don't have that in Indiana, believe it or not.
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spudger
06/26/18 8:03:11 PM
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eggcorn posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

So if you spill coffee on your lap and swerve while driving but no one was hurt you should be punished? NOT IN MY AMERICA

what a stupid fucking analogy
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DarkTransient
06/26/18 8:05:53 PM
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AlecSkorpio posted...
DarkTransient posted...
as well as perhaps mandatory re-taking of gun safety training.


We don't have that in Indiana, believe it or not.


So, that means it isn't a penalty they can legally give him.

But it would still be one that I would consider perfectly reasonable - ex post facto law is of course a thing, but I more mean as in I would not at all object to the law being changed so that such re-training can be enforced in similar future cases.
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eggcorn
06/26/18 8:06:49 PM
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spudger posted...
eggcorn posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

So if you spill coffee on your lap and swerve while driving but no one was hurt you should be punished? NOT IN MY AMERICA

faaart

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salandrews
06/26/18 8:06:57 PM
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Negligence with a firearm and bringing one into a no firearm zone.

Charges should be filed. He fully cooperated and nobody was hurt so nothing like prison but at the very least some mandatory firearms safety course.
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AlecSkorpio
06/26/18 8:07:35 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
So, that means it isn't a penalty they can legally give him.

But it would still be one that I would consider perfectly reasonable - ex post facto law is of course a thing, but I more mean as in I would not at all object to the law being changed so that such re-training can be enforced in similar future cases.


No, I mean there isn't any sort of training required for a conceal carry permit in Indiana.

It's actually really fucking scary how many yahoos I know who have a gun but have absolutely no fucking idea what they're doing with them.
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spudger
06/26/18 8:07:46 PM
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eggcorn posted...
spudger posted...
eggcorn posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

So if you spill coffee on your lap and swerve while driving but no one was hurt you should be punished? NOT IN MY AMERICA

faaart

*womp womp*
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D-Lo_BrownTown
06/26/18 8:09:04 PM
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the funniest thing about Indiana gun laws is that the kid is the one who would be punished (if they wanted to, they won't) and the owner wouldn't get shit because dropping your gun isn't a crime while negligent discharge is a class d Felony.
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spudger
06/26/18 8:10:12 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
the funniest thing about Indiana gun laws is that the kid is the one who would be punished (if they wanted to, they won't) and the owner wouldn't get shit because dropping your gun isn't a crime while negligent discharge is a class d Felony.

thats insanity.

Any gun owner this irresponsible should having his right taken away.

Literally could have murdered a child today with his stupidity.
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Annihilated
06/26/18 8:11:56 PM
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Was the safety even on? You always keep the safety on when carrying a gun.
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DarkTransient
06/26/18 8:12:49 PM
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spudger posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
the funniest thing about Indiana gun laws is that the kid is the one who would be punished (if they wanted to, they won't) and the owner wouldn't get shit because dropping your gun isn't a crime while negligent discharge is a class d Felony.

thats insanity.

Any gun owner this irresponsible should having his right taken away.

Literally could have murdered a child today with his stupidity.


killed*

Murder requires intent. Negligence does not constitute murder.
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eggcorn
06/26/18 8:12:55 PM
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spudger posted...
eggcorn posted...
spudger posted...
eggcorn posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

So if you spill coffee on your lap and swerve while driving but no one was hurt you should be punished? NOT IN MY AMERICA

faaart

*womp womp*

nice
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AlecSkorpio
06/26/18 8:13:57 PM
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spudger posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
the funniest thing about Indiana gun laws is that the kid is the one who would be punished (if they wanted to, they won't) and the owner wouldn't get shit because dropping your gun isn't a crime while negligent discharge is a class d Felony.

thats insanity.

Any gun owner this irresponsible should having his right taken away.

Literally could have murdered a child today with his stupidity.


That's bullshit, he absolutely can have his permit revoked by the Indiana State Police for this.

Edit: Specifically there is a charge for "inability to safely handle a handgun" that this would fall under.

He more than likely will get a fine and then get his permit revoked, and he'll have to have a hearing to get it reinstated. This will require him to get a lawyer and it will cost a shit ton of money.
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The_Ivory_Man
06/26/18 8:14:15 PM
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So this guy has his gun in his pocket without the safety on?

Or what, no way it's securely in a holster.
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AlecSkorpio
06/26/18 8:15:56 PM
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The_Ivory_Man posted...
So this guy has his gun in his pocket without the safety on?

Or what, no way it's securely in a holster.


You'd be surprised how easy it is for a gun to become jarred loose from a holster from sitting if he keeps it in the small of his back. It's the reason I feel for it every time I get up from a seated position.

Also a lot of pistols don't even have safeties anymore.
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spudger
06/26/18 8:16:01 PM
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AlecSkorpio posted...
spudger posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
the funniest thing about Indiana gun laws is that the kid is the one who would be punished (if they wanted to, they won't) and the owner wouldn't get shit because dropping your gun isn't a crime while negligent discharge is a class d Felony.

thats insanity.

Any gun owner this irresponsible should having his right taken away.

Literally could have murdered a child today with his stupidity.


That's bullshit, he absolutely can have his permit revoked by the Indiana State Police for this.

i hope they do.

everyone has the right to bear. but once you are this negligent...sorry, no dice.
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The_Ivory_Man
06/26/18 8:24:12 PM
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AlecSkorpio posted...
The_Ivory_Man posted...
So this guy has his gun in his pocket without the safety on?

Or what, no way it's securely in a holster.


You'd be surprised how easy it is for a gun to become jarred loose from a holster from sitting if he keeps it in the small of his back. It's the reason I feel for it every time I get up from a seated position.

Also a lot of pistols don't even have safeties anymore.


I mean I've shot guns before with my Uncle but his stuff always seems secure, never seen him drop stuff from his holster.

It's older too. Why would a safety taken away? That sounds odd.
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AlecSkorpio
06/26/18 8:27:39 PM
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The_Ivory_Man posted...
I mean I've shot guns before with my Uncle but his stuff always seems secure, never seen him drop stuff from his holster.


I mean, it depends a lot on the holster and the position on your body but like the gun can kind of get caught in the back of a chair and get pulled out of the holster as you get up. The gun would have to be pretty light not to notice this though I think.

As for why a lot of guns no longer have safeties it's because Glock (I think) made trigger safeties really popular. So I guess it's not accurate to say they *don't* have safties (although a lot still don't have any safety at all, usually because of their size) but the safeties don't work like normal safeties.
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Lordgold666
06/26/18 8:28:30 PM
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Irresponsible gun owners make the rest of us look bad
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NES4EVER
06/26/18 8:29:42 PM
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Anisoptera posted...
"People should be punished for making a mistake even though no one was hurt and nothing was damaged."

-CE


Do you feel the same way about drinking and driving?
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Frolex
06/26/18 8:32:34 PM
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If your negligence leads to even one fuck up with a firearm, you should have your ability to carry one instantly and permanently revoked
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Funbazooka
06/26/18 8:34:32 PM
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Damn, the libs are out for blood ain't they. Wonder if they're gonna try to ruin this guy's life
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Dark_Spiret
06/26/18 8:36:54 PM
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The_Ivory_Man posted...
It's older too. Why would a safety taken away? That sounds odd.
its another step you have to worry about, which under duress isnt good. it takes a lot more training and practice to get good at manually activating the safety once you pull it from the holster and even then its hard to know if your brain will click when under heavy pressure so a lot of people opt to not have one to worry about at all and put their faith in their trigger discipline and a good holster.

while very rare they can also hinder the functionality of guns with extra parts of the firearm that could be damaged or come undone (like rubbing up against something engaging or disengaging the safety). this is/was an issue with new smith and wesson revolvers that had their keylocks be engaged while firing when they wernt supposed to.
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Superlinkbro
06/26/18 8:41:02 PM
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ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

Think he was just saying what the judges might say
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VectorChaos
06/26/18 8:41:27 PM
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salandrews posted...
Negligence with a firearm and bringing one into a no firearm zone.

Charges should be filed. He fully cooperated and nobody was hurt so nothing like prison but at the very least some mandatory firearms safety course.

This. How the fuck was he carrying it that it could just fall into a couch unnoticed?

There's making mistakes, and then there's making mistakes that could have ended in abject tragedy.
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Kelystic
06/26/18 8:43:00 PM
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negligence on gun owner's part
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ghettoraider81
06/26/18 10:04:40 PM
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eggcorn posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

So if you spill coffee on your lap and swerve while driving but no one was hurt you should be punished? NOT IN MY AMERICA


Ummmmm yeah. Its called a citation for reckless driving.

As a driver you are responsible to be in control of your vehicle at all times.

Maybe when you are old enough to have a license you will understand that.
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LinksLiege
06/26/18 10:09:16 PM
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Are the Swedish meatballs okay at least?
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Sonicblack35
06/26/18 10:19:09 PM
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eggcorn posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Hop103 posted...
This was a freak accident, so no punishment.


Bullshit. He failed to act responsibly and as a result put people at risk.

So if you spill coffee on your lap and swerve while driving but no one was hurt you should be punished? NOT IN MY AMERICA


I don't see what's wrong with punishing them for this. You don't have to throw the driver in jail, but a ticket should definitely be issued. Make sure your coffee is secure before you start driving and if you can't secure it then don't fucking get coffee.

This analogy itself doesn't really hold up though. In the case of spilled coffee, you're in extreme pain and it's expected that you would make an irrational decision or reaction. In the gun case there is nothing impairing the guy's judgement.
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joestarrr
06/26/18 10:29:26 PM
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LinksLiege posted...
Are the Swedish meatballs okay at least?

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Questionmarktarius
06/26/18 10:30:43 PM
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Anisoptera posted...
"People should be punished for making a mistake even though no one was hurt and nothing was damaged."

-CE

...a couch was damaged, and a bullet was wasted/
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