Current Events > The left wont like this one bit

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LightningAce11 posted...

One thing I don't get is, why is the onus always on the left to be bigger people and to be more civil while the right can get away with anything?

I for one expect more out of the left because they tend to be better educated and they pride themselves on being smarter, more open minded, etc.
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Whether or not people want to admit it, its the insane crybaby rhetoric like the poster above who said something like typical centrist idiot!!!1!

Nobody wants to be associated with a group of people who ignorantly and unintelligently call anybody who doesnt wholeheartedly agree with them Nazis and Hitler.

Nobody wants to openly champion a political party that wants to destroy our national structure with mass immigration. People dont want the face of their party to be forcing their highly controversial agendas in CHILDREN.

It all came down to one party who wanted to protect the rights of the AMERICANS versus one party who wanted to strip up of our rights, implement more and more surveillance and censorship, and who wants Americans to be property of the hospitals because of their FAILED medical system.

The main thing is that the left couldnt shut their fucking mouths up about getting rid of democracy. I mean, what the FUCK? Did these people lose their damn minds or something? It really is dangerous what some people will blindly vote for just because of the blue donkey.
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...

democratic candidates have held steady in their slightly-left-of-(american)-center cronyism while republicans make continued rightward strides to a faux-theocracy but dems are the ones who are accused of "abandoning" the centerists

One side often treats the centrists like they are complete traitors to their cause and the other just ignores centrists as irrelevant.
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southcoast09 posted...

Whether or not people want to admit it, its the insane crybaby rhetoric like the poster above who said something like typical centrist idiot!!!1!

Nobody wants to be associated with a group of people who ignorantly and unintelligently call anybody who doesnt wholeheartedly agree with them Nazis and Hitler.

Nobody wants to openly champion a political party that wants to destroy our national structure with mass immigration. People dont want the face of their party to be forcing their highly controversial agendas in CHILDREN. People are sick of the attack on Christianity and the bulletproof immunity that ALL other religions receive.

It all came down to one party who wanted to protect the rights of the AMERICANS versus one party who wanted to strip up of our rights, implement more and more surveillance and censorship, and who wants Americans to be property of the hospitals because of their FAILED medical system.

The main thing is that the left couldnt shut their fucking mouths up about getting rid of democracy. I mean, what the FUCK? Did these people lose their damn minds or something? It really is dangerous what some people will blindly vote for just because of the blue donkey.

people like this are exactly who trump's identity politics are aimed at.
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People who see the corruption within both the DNC and GOP and want an outsider who actually works based on what the people want, rather than what his financial backers want?

He didnt take money from pharmaceutical giants and the other major corporations like EVERY other candidate did, so he was the only transparent candidate.
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I've heard a few references already ITT how Trump is essentially a "white person's candidate", so here's a friendly reminder----

Trump received more Hispanic votes than Romney and that's after the 24/7 lamestream media coverage trying to paint Trump as a Mexican-hating racist. They tried sooo hard to get her elected and their loss was so beautiful.
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Capn Circus posted...

I've heard a few references already ITT how Trump is essentially a "white person's candidate", so here's a friendly reminder----

Trump received more Hispanic votes than Romney and that's after the 24/7 lamestream media coverage trying to paint Trump as a Mexican-hating racist. They tried sooo hard to get her elected and their loss was so beautiful.

isn't the only sources for this fact the same polls that said Trump had no chance of winning?
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hockeybub89 posted...

"I had no choice. You made me vote for Trump. Stop or I'll be forced to do it again"

"My car needs new brakes. Better drive it off a cliff and get an even older & out of date model. Look what they made me do!"
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southcoast09 posted...

People who see the corruption within both the DNC and GOP and want an outsider who actually works based on what the people want, rather than what his financial backers want?

He didn?t take money from pharmaceutical giants and the other major corporations like EVERY other candidate did, so he was the only transparent candidate.

Bruh... so close yet so far...
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Link43130 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

I've heard a few references already ITT how Trump is essentially a "white person's candidate", so here's a friendly reminder----

Trump received more Hispanic votes than Romney and that's after the 24/7 lamestream media coverage trying to paint Trump as a Mexican-hating racist. They tried sooo hard to get her elected and their loss was so beautiful.

isn't the only sources for this fact the same polls that said Trump had no chance of winning?

Knowing @Capn_Circus, the only source could be a blogger named WhiteTrumpWhiteAmerica and he'd accept it as sacrosanct because it supports his views.
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southcoast09 posted...

People who see the corruption within both the DNC and GOP and want an outsider who actually works based on what the people want, rather than what his financial backers want?

He didnt take money from pharmaceutical giants and the other major corporations like EVERY other candidate did, so he was the only transparent candidate.

Literally untrue fam. He didn't take donations while he was still in the primary. After he received the nomination he was shilling like an old pro.
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I find the person being discussed almost as bad as the MAGA idiots. At least those people have the courage to stand by their affections for Donald Trump. This loser just wants to be coddled.
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The people who don't get his point have serious reading comprehension issues.
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Mister_Spyker posted...

The people who don't get his point have serious reading comprehension issues.

He really doesn't have a good one tho. Also if you are still considering voting for Trump after these past two years then there really isn't anything the Democrats could have done to change your mind.

This dude just likes trump and doesn't have the courage to just come out and say it and instead wants to make excuses.
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He pretty much summed up all the issues I have had with the Democrats for awhile now. Before this past election, I mainly voted Democrat, but I can't anymore because of everything he has said.

Also, yes, do not be surprised if Trump wins again if the left continues the way they are at this time.
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He has a point.
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Iodine posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

The people who don't get his point have serious reading comprehension issues.

He really doesn't have a good one tho. Also if you are still considering voting for Trump after these past two years then there really isn't anything the Democrats could have done to change your mind.

This dude just likes trump and doesn't have the courage to just come out and say it and instead wants to make excuses.

that seems to be the case with a lot of White America. Trump is their guy, but they know how that will (rightfully) be perceived, so they paint themselves as the victim that was somehow made to vote for and support him
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Probably not a good strategy for winning elections
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When the Democratic party figures out what policy it wants to push then I'll consider voting for them based on those issues.

"We have to riot and stop the Drumpf" isn't a very good campaign platform
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Iodine posted...

This dude just likes trump and doesn't have the courage to just come out and say it and instead wants to make excuses.

Or... OR... he doesn't like Trump after two years but is too prideful to admit he made a mistake, so he's putting the onus on the Dems to "win him back" with a better candidate.

To which I say what I said earlier. We're in the 2018 primary season. Standouts and people to get behind in 2020 aren't starting to coalesce yet. If someone's REALLY clamoring for the 2020 Dem candidate at this point in the game, they must REALLY hate Trump.

I'm not disputing that "jobs" are a good platform, nor that the Dems could be helped by getting some votes in "middle America", but then, Dems could be helped by getting a lot of very different votes.

Also, yes, it's probably not healthy to be calling people who voted for Trump Nazis, but no politician is currently running on that platform. You want people to not call you a Nazi? Cool, I want people to not call me a Commie, or a cuck, or a snowflake. We all want things in life.

Regardless, our dude here makes the mistake a lot of CEfolk make: assuming that by presenting "facts" and "reason" that it doesn't matter how much of a dick they sound like. Granted he sounds less of a dick than our usual suspects, but as I mentioned earlier, he's got an odd focus on "political correctness" and "leaving fiction alone" to add on to his issues of concern. I'm allowed to agree on some points and not on others, and still point out that his presentation as a whole comes across as arrogant.

So when people ask the question, "Why are you booing him? He's right", that's the answer.
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Chasing Trump crossover voters is a fools errand. Elections are about turnout, not persuasion. Democrats could win more votes just by having automatic voter registration than they'll ever get from triangulation.

That said, not everything he said was wrong. It's just kind of pointless. Democrats here in middle America aren't trashing middle America, I promise
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Balrog0 posted...

Chasing Trump crossover voters is a fools errand.

Indeed. Becomes much more obvious when one realizes the typical trump voter was the typical republican voter, and Clinton's loss does not appear to be a result of crossover but rather people not turning out to vote.

The GOP popularized the idea of demonizing the majority party as a tactic to turn out their voters. They don't seem to care for having it used on them.

But it's working. The only question is, are dems going far enough?
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CrimsonRage posted...

"be nice to me or i'll vote trump again"

*yawn*

if you were willing to vote for Trump, your democratic values weren't that strong in the first place. just admit to being a conservative now because DNC stupidity shouldn't have radically changed your views.

You voted Clinton, so you are just as bad as you think he is.
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southcoast09 posted...

Whether or not people want to admit it, its the insane crybaby rhetoric like the poster above who said something like typical centrist idiot!!!1!

Nobody wants to be associated with a group of people who ignorantly and unintelligently call anybody who doesnt wholeheartedly agree with them Nazis and Hitler.

Nobody wants to openly champion a political party that wants to destroy our national structure with mass immigration. People dont want the face of their party to be forcing their highly controversial agendas in CHILDREN. People are sick of the attack on Christianity and the bulletproof immunity that ALL other religions receive.

It all came down to one party who wanted to protect the rights of the AMERICANS versus one party who wanted to strip up of our rights, implement more and more surveillance and censorship, and who wants Americans to be property of the hospitals because of their FAILED medical system.

The main thing is that the left couldnt shut their fucking mouths up about getting rid of democracy. I mean, what the FUCK? Did these people lose their damn minds or something? It really is dangerous what some people will blindly vote for just because of the blue donkey.

The bolded part is essentially why the left lost the election. A lot of people voted Trump as a "fuck you" to a hypocritical party that compares anyone who doesn't agree with it to the worst kind of scum imaginable: nazis. You have to be monumentally stupid if you think such a strategy wins people to your side. To your point about religion, how can they claim to be such champions of women, minorities, and gay rights but have no problem at all with a religion that denies women, minorities, and LGBT people basic human rights and, even today, stones them and hangs them.......but its Christians who are immoral? Give me a break. I will give the liberals this though, they couldn't keep up their facade as "righteous paragons of moral virtue" after the election. The mask fractured and broke off and now we see them for what they actually are: the very thing they claim to hate.

you know liberalism is over when they've lost some random video game designer
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

As long as the Democrat party continues it's descent into identity politics, anti white rhetoric*, vote shaming, brainless virtue signaling, enforced groupthink, speech and thought suppression, and socialism....I will oppose it with everything I have.

* https://imgur.com/gallery/Wl6af

Without engaging all of your points, I'm not clear that the Democratic party has "adopted a position of anti white rhetoric". Do you see it on their platform/position statements? Is Salon the official spokesperson for the Democratic party? It seems you are really reaching to take some things said by people/organizations on the left and claim that it is the Democrat party position.

MFW Trump is pretty much Bill Clinton.
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Uncle Choad posted...

MFW Trump is pretty much Bill Clinton.

only insofar as they've both raped women
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AlephZero posted...

there are literally people trying to get him fired over his mild comments

His post is dumb and nonsensical, but trying to get him fired for that is also dumb.
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Darkman124 posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

MFW Trump is pretty much Bill Clinton.

only insofar as they've both raped women

Trump hasn't raped anyone.

Ruvan22 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

As long as the Democrat party continues it's descent into identity politics, anti white rhetoric*, vote shaming, brainless virtue signaling, enforced groupthink, speech and thought suppression, and socialism....I will oppose it with everything I have.

* https://imgur.com/gallery/Wl6af

Without engaging all of your points, I'm not clear that the Democratic party has "adopted a position of anti white rhetoric". Do you see it on their platform/position statements? Is Salon the official spokesperson for the Democratic party? It seems you are really reaching to take some things said by people/organizations on the left and claim that it is the Democrat party position.

He just has a massive victim complex is all.
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RebelElite791 posted...

I mean yeah people are gravely overreacting to him being your run of the mill centrist idiot

I havent followed any of this or read his tweets, but Im curious. What centrist points did he spew?
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his message is pretty much exactly what i've been preaching here since forever, yet most people here disagree with the message. its a damn shame.
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AcFan87 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

MFW Trump is pretty much Bill Clinton.

only insofar as they've both raped women

Trump hasn't raped anyone.

That's not what he's said.
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@ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I'm financially stable. I don't make a lot but I budget and I save. I'm about to hit 8 years on my current job. It's not glamorous, but it pays the bills and I live on better means than I have previously. I have a regular savings, and retirement plan(s), some of which is inherited and I've managed it wisely to optimize its eventual output, while many in my position would squander it. Fiscally, I've actually operated in a more right wing manner within the past decade. However, my votes have been for left wing candidates.

If my rights were to be imposed upon, to the point I felt threatened, you could naturally expect my name to play a part. Think of "the purge" series. I know what I would do.

But still, look at the other side a bit more. Are you really looking for people to get so paranoid that they feel the need to think of that doomsday shit? Is a "the purge" scenario even logical or warranted? No. It is not. However, your opponents think of it, and I'm not gonna tell you they are wrong to do so.

I will not abandon the left, but the left needs to step back and reevaluate, otherwise, the likelihood of additional losses increases. You can disbelieve me if you want but that's a fucking party death sentence. Trust me on that or don't (if you choose don't, play close attention)

first of all: Fluffy was misrepresenting my position. I'm not sure if he was lying or if he genuinely doesn't understand the difference between "French and Russian revolutionaries were justified in killing off their respective royal families" and "we need to indiscriminately kill anyone who makes more than X dollars a year." I don't particularly care which one it is either, and am not interested in any discussion coming from anything he said.

that being said, two things from your post:
1. I don't judge people for trying to live as best they can under capitalism. saving for retirement is hardly the same thing as exploitation.
2. unless you're voting for actual socialists (i.e. explicitly anti-capitalist) please do not refer to them as "left wing candidates"

keep in mind that when I talk about Class issues, I do so in a Marxist context. Class is determined by how money is made, rather than the actual amount of money.
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AcFan87 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

MFW Trump is pretty much Bill Clinton.

only insofar as they've both raped women

Trump hasn't raped anyone.

Not according to Ivana
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AcFan87 posted...

The mask fractured and broke off and now we see them for what they actually are: the very thing they claim to hate.

So true. Trump flushed them all out in the open. They're exposed
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Capn Circus posted...

AcFan87 posted...

The mask fractured and broke off and now we see them for what they actually are: the very thing they claim to hate.

So true. Trump flushed them all out in the open. They're exposed

It's not just the left, everyone has been exposed. EVERYONE.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

AcFan87 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

MFW Trump is pretty much Bill Clinton.

only insofar as they've both raped women

Trump hasn't raped anyone.

Not according to Ivana

Oh, you mean during the divorce proceedings where it's all "he said, she said" to determine who gets the lion's share of the estate being split and the media spun it into a rape accusation?
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/ivana-trump-denies-accusing-donald-trump-rape-daily-beast-120721
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Paragon21XX posted...

Oh, you mean during the divorce proceedings where it's all "he said, she said"

Yeah. Except only one of them was proven to be a pathological liar.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

Oh, you mean during the divorce proceedings where it's all "he said, she said"

Yeah. Except only one of them was proven to be a pathological liar.

You're right. The media has been outed as the pathological liar as Ivana later came out during the campaign to clarify that she never meant rape in a criminal sense, only figuratively as the sex was always consensual but the love aspect had disappeared, but tabloid rags like the Daily Beast construed her divorce statements to mean that he literally raped her.
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Paragon21XX posted...

Ivana later came out during the campaign to clarify that she never meant rape in a criminal sense

Lol what. Sounds like backtracking after being given hush money