Current Events > The left wont like this one bit

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CrimsonRage posted...

EternalDivide posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

He's 100% right, but unfortunately facts, reason, and evidence are lost on the far left. The far left has literally collapsed into identity politics and insanity.

This.
The left has become of the mind that you fall in line with our exact beliefs about x, y, z and accept them as fact or you're the enemy who needs to be silenced.
And I just can't see any way forward where this line of thinking stops. There's no more middle ground.

everything you just said applies to the right and specifically Trumpism as well. every single Republican that has spoken out against Trump gets silenced or called RINOs.

I've heard of RINOs. I've never heard of DINOs. There's an awful lot of projection going on in this topic.
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Capn Circus posted...

And some people actually claim the behavior of the Democrats aren't driving people away from their party.

This is just one example of somebody somewhat famous (sort of). There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions more, who are being turned off by the Democrats.

Yet they aren't turned off by racist travel bans, throwing children in concentration camps, and calling neo-Nazis "good people." Weird.
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jumi posted...

Capn Circus posted...

And some people actually claim the behavior of the Democrats aren't driving people away from their party.

This is just one example of somebody somewhat famous (sort of). There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions more, who are being turned off by the Democrats.

Yet they aren't turned off by racist travel bans, throwing children in concentration camps, and calling neo-Nazis "good people." Weird.

Those are fine because that's just punishing these loud mouth lefties or something. It's not up to the Republicans or conservatives to convince people for some reason. They're just the default punishment.
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I'm on the left and I don't believe anything he said was wrong, but his use of the "durrrrrrrrr the left... call something nazis" meme was suspect. Aside from that, he made good points. It's tragic that he voted for trump, but his presented points are quite valid.
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Capn Circus posted...

And he's certainly not running the country like a typical Republican, either.

No. He is exactly the typical republican outside of Twitter rants.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

He's 100% right, but unfortunately facts, reason, and evidence are lost on the far left. The far left has literally collapsed into identity politics and insanity.

Weren't you just calling me far left? Or was that a different usual suspect?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

He's 100% right, but unfortunately facts, reason, and evidence are lost on the far left. The far left has literally collapsed into identity politics and insanity.

Weren't you just calling me far left? Or was that a different usual suspect?

I don't even know who you are, dude
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Capn Circus posted...

And he's certainly not running the country like a typical Republican, either.

No. He is exactly the typical republican outside of Twitter rants.

I'd have to disagree. He's actually getting things accomplished on the border, with trade, and slashing regulations. Tax cuts may have happened without Trump, but I honestly doubt it. Certainly not if Hillary would have won, and I happen to believe he was the only person to get enough people out to vote to defeat her. Cruz wouldn't have beat Hillary and certainly not Jeb.

Trump is seriously an active president. So much as been accomplished in such a short period of time.
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"I had no choice. You made me vote for Trump. Stop or I'll be forced to do it again"
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He's a heretic now.

For all their rage against the religious right, the left has deified their ideology and treat it as sacrosanct.
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jumi posted...

Capn Circus posted...

And some people actually claim the behavior of the Democrats aren't driving people away from their party.

This is just one example of somebody somewhat famous (sort of). There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions more, who are being turned off by the Democrats.

Yet they aren't turned off by racist travel bans, throwing children in concentration camps, and calling neo-Nazis "good people." Weird.

This is a perfect example of the wild rhetoric from the left I was referring to.

-"racist travel bans" on a few countries that are on high security alert, and have been since the Obama administration.

-The same "concentration camps" Obama had children in... but now it's just happening more often because Trump took a zero tolerance on illegal immigration (as he should... no brainer). So now they're "concentration camps"---but not four years ago.

-And how dare Trump try to take a stance that supported both sides of legal protests. There were some liberals who did have a permit and stayed in their designed area, so Trump is accurate in that regard.
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Capn Circus posted...

Trump is seriously an active president.

Where you see "active", I see "impulsive".
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CyricZ posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

There ARE tens of millions who feel the same as him.

And there are tens of millions of people who feel against him.

The real effort won't be converting people who voted for Trump. The popular vote confirms that that's not the issue. The effort will be getting those who didn't vote in 2016 back out to vote.

If dude wants a good candidate, fine. We all want a good candidate. I'm not saying we shouldn't ask for one. But saying "lay off my fiction and I'll not vote for Trump" is just petty.

Yes, people are lashing out. They're angry and don't have anyone to rally behind. Yet. I mean this is the kind of twitter rant that basically is saying something I've heard conCErvatives go on about: asking "Where's the 2020 Democratic candidate?" when the 2018 midterm primaries aren't even all over. Messages are going to solidify once we get to the 2018 generals and beyond. Ocasio-Cortez already has hers laid out squarely and Hannity is well into Stage 2 brickshitting over them.

As a militant anti-trumper, I have to disagree with you and actually side with the guy this topic is about. His logic in voting trump as an anti-hillary vote is no different from my own hillary vote as an anti-trump vote.

Hillary was not a good candidate, and the non-vote was not as crucial as you make it seem. Yes, there were people who neglected to vote, but Hillary was why they neglected to vote. Had I chosen not to watch the final debate, I would have been a non-voter. Wouldn't have mattered in my state. Hillary did nothing to earn my vote. Trump being a scumbag c*** got Hillary my vote, and had I not watched that debate, I wouldn't have stopped at city hall on my way home the next day. I've never voted for a Republican and I don't have cause to believe I ever will, but I fundamentally disagree with you, and honestly, the conservatives in this topic, including usual suspects are applying more logic in this topic than those of us on the left, you included.

This videogame dude's message is not to be ignored or ostracized. You do that, you will fuck us further.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

CyricZ posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

There ARE tens of millions who feel the same as him.

And there are tens of millions of people who feel against him.

The real effort won't be converting people who voted for Trump. The popular vote confirms that that's not the issue. The effort will be getting those who didn't vote in 2016 back out to vote.

If dude wants a good candidate, fine. We all want a good candidate. I'm not saying we shouldn't ask for one. But saying "lay off my fiction and I'll not vote for Trump" is just petty.

Yes, people are lashing out. They're angry and don't have anyone to rally behind. Yet. I mean this is the kind of twitter rant that basically is saying something I've heard conCErvatives go on about: asking "Where's the 2020 Democratic candidate?" when the 2018 midterm primaries aren't even all over. Messages are going to solidify once we get to the 2018 generals and beyond. Ocasio-Cortez already has hers laid out squarely and Hannity is well into Stage 2 brickshitting over them.

As a militant anti-trumper, I have to disagree with you and actually side with the guy this topic is about. His logic in voting trump as an anti-hillary vote is no different from my own hillary vote as an anti-trump vote.

Hillary was not a good candidate, and the non-vote was not as crucial as you make it seem. Yes, there were people who neglected to vote, but Hillary was why they neglected to vote. Had I chosen not to watch the final debate, I would have been a non-voter. Wouldn't have mattered in my state. Hillary did nothing to earn my vote. Trump being a scumbag c*** got Hillary my vote, and had I not watched that debate, I wouldn't have stopped at city hall on my way home the next day. I've never voted for a Republican and I don't have cause to believe I ever will, but I fundamentally disagree with you, and honestly, the conservatives in this topic, including usual suspects are applying more logic in this topic than those of us on the left, you included.

This videogame dude's message is not to be ignored or ostracized. You do that, you will fuck us further.

I wonder if getting spanked by one of his own will finally make CyricZ think honestly for a second or two
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^ The posting equivalent of a dog humping a leg.
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It seems you know an awful lot about dogs humping legs. You wouldn't happen to be a Thermite alt, would you?
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Does that mean i was right?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

CyricZ posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

There ARE tens of millions who feel the same as him.

And there are tens of millions of people who feel against him.

The real effort won't be converting people who voted for Trump. The popular vote confirms that that's not the issue. The effort will be getting those who didn't vote in 2016 back out to vote.

If dude wants a good candidate, fine. We all want a good candidate. I'm not saying we shouldn't ask for one. But saying "lay off my fiction and I'll not vote for Trump" is just petty.

Yes, people are lashing out. They're angry and don't have anyone to rally behind. Yet. I mean this is the kind of twitter rant that basically is saying something I've heard conCErvatives go on about: asking "Where's the 2020 Democratic candidate?" when the 2018 midterm primaries aren't even all over. Messages are going to solidify once we get to the 2018 generals and beyond. Ocasio-Cortez already has hers laid out squarely and Hannity is well into Stage 2 brickshitting over them.

As a militant anti-trumper, I have to disagree with you and actually side with the guy this topic is about. His logic in voting trump as an anti-hillary vote is no different from my own hillary vote as an anti-trump vote.

Hillary was not a good candidate, and the non-vote was not as crucial as you make it seem. Yes, there were people who neglected to vote, but Hillary was why they neglected to vote. Had I chosen not to watch the final debate, I would have been a non-voter. Wouldn't have mattered in my state. Hillary did nothing to earn my vote. Trump being a scumbag c*** got Hillary my vote, and had I not watched that debate, I wouldn't have stopped at city hall on my way home the next day. I've never voted for a Republican and I don't have cause to believe I ever will, but I fundamentally disagree with you, and honestly, the conservatives in this topic, including usual suspects are applying more logic in this topic than those of us on the left, you included.

This videogame dude's message is not to be ignored or ostracized. You do that, you will fuck us further.

I wonder if getting spanked by one of his own will finally make CyricZ think honestly for a second or two

I don't know CyricZ. I recognize the name so I have interacted with him. I would hope that he would take to heart what I've said. If not, he would be contributing to his own problem tbh.
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Sphyx posted...

^ The posting equivalent of a dog humping a leg.

Actually no. Fluffygerm is worse than Cyric, but in this case, he is more fundamentally correct. The far fringe left are shooting everyone in the genitals by getting outraged by what the subject of the op has said. The depiction of liberals fed up with fringe hyper-PC nonsense ditching crooked hillary for trashy traitorous triggered trembling trump is accurate and that group is larger than this "apathetic non-voters" that was mentioned. Both sides had significant "I vote for one because the other is shittier" contingencies. Both Fluffy and Cyric present themselves as subscribing to far-end fringe ideologies, and unfortunately, Cyric's leftist ideologies are more damaging to the left as a whole than Fluffy's are, which is something that far fringe left needs to recognize and correct if they want to turn the tide. If they continue to double down, they will lose more of the central group, and rightfully so.
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That fucking piece of shit needs to shut his fucking mouth. Us conservatives are going to lose in 2020 if people listen to that kind of shit.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I don't know CyricZ. I recognize the name so I have interacted with him. I would hope that he would take to heart what I've said. If not, he would be contributing to his own problem tbh.

I don't remember the statistics, but wasn't the total turnout something like 50% of the population? it seems to me that mobilizing that other 50% would be way easier than trying to appeal to so-called "moderate republicans"

get actual socialist candidates and the left will vote for them. people get excited by the prospect of actual, tangible, positive change. Clinton gave people no reason to vote for her other than "at least she's not trump"
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Surely trying to appeal to those rustbelt areas that Clinton overlooked/didn't care about would be more beneficial than trying to appeal to a moderate video game developer who probably lives in a liberal area anyway. Michael Moore already warned everyone about it.

Get that and a likeable candidate people want to rally behind and I think things would be fine.

You're not going to be able to stop 'political correctness' on social media. It's like saying you'd vote for Trump if people stopped whining about SJW's.
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Holding the left to account for the actions of the far left is a tricky pill to prescribe during the rise of the alt-right amid the silence of the moderates. I'd expect the right to be pissed if militant misandrists, BLM hijackers and Antifa were elected into positions of power and the left did nothing to rein them in, but i'd also understand why it's not as simple as giving the opposition slack when they start to pull harder.

To push the rope analogy further, you can give them enough to hang themselves with i guess, but that doesn't seem to be working right now, on either side. Moderates may not be pulling anymore, but they're also not very forthcoming in telling the fringes to stop, and in the case of Trump, he doesn't seem to be listening anyway.

Also, though it's arguable that the Dem Party needed a harsh lesson in pushing unpopular candidates and agendas, voting against your principles and out of spite doesn't strike me as something that can be turned around with logic alone. When someone wants a pyrrhic victory, they'd rather eat the ashes than admit they would be better off taking the sandwich that wasn't exactly what they ordered and laying a complaint to get it corrected.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

trashy traitorous triggered trembling trump

Gods... Zachary Smith would be proud.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Both Fluffy and Cyric present themselves as subscribing to far-end fringe ideologies

Maybe its just me, but i don't get that from either of them. Part genuine stance, part devil's advocate/reactionary post, perhaps a sprinkle of shenanigans maybe, but i'd be surprised if either of them is actually far left or right.
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Simple algorithm for figuring out if someone is far left or far right.

Are you a communist? Far left.
Are you a fascist? Far right.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Simple algorithm for figuring out if someone is far left or far right.

Are you a communist? Far left.
Are you a fascist? Far right.

What about anarchists
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Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Simple algorithm for figuring out if someone is far left or far right.

Are you a communist? Far left.
Are you a fascist? Far right.

What about anarchists

That's a good question, I'm not sure. I'd guess it depends on what other beliefs they hold in conjunction with their anarchism. IE why they're anarchists.
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Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Simple algorithm for figuring out if someone is far left or far right.

Are you a communist? Far left.
Are you a fascist? Far right.

What about anarchists

depends which flavour of anarchism they like. anarcho-communist and anarcho-syndicalist are the good ones, anarcho-capitalists are basically fascists, and anarcho-primitivists are just fucking stupid
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Sphyx posted...

Holding the left to account for the actions of the far left is a tricky pill to prescribe during the rise of the alt-right amid the silence of the moderates.

The far left silences moderates too. Where the far right silences moderates because moderates don't want to subscribe to blind nationalism or Christianity, the far left silences moderates because moderates don't want to subscribe to identity politics (which is a religion not unlike Christianity) and statism.

In other words, if you're a moderate you're basically considered far right to the left and far left to the right more often than anyone has anything in common with you.
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averagejoel posted...

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Simple algorithm for figuring out if someone is far left or far right.

Are you a communist? Far left.
Are you a fascist? Far right.

What about anarchists

depends which flavour of anarchism they like. anarcho-communist and anarcho-syndicalist are the good ones, anarcho-capitalists are basically fascists, and anarcho-primitivists are just fucking stupid

Note that averagejoel considers anarcho-communist and anarcho-syndicalist the "good ones" because he's literally a commie who has publicly advocated the murder of all the people who are financially stable.

You can't expect him to be impartial and unbiased.
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And yet, the left will continue to double down.
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People are actually upset over this? Legitimately upset?

AcFan87 posted...

People are actually upset over this? Legitimately upset?

Just the far-left radicals who are liable to be on the FBI watch list for potential terrorism.
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The thing I don't really get about America is that the Democrats don't overall seem very far-left to me.

It's like the 'far-left' of America gradually drifts further to the center when it comes to anything outside of social politics.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

it's not really like he picked someone that much worse.

It's been almost 2 years and people still seriously believe this shit.

Yes. Trump has in fact been much worse.

Even if Trump hadn't been much worse I don't need to be fucking threatened by him that he'll "vote Trump again unless I stop hurting his feelings"

I don't think he should be fired but he should shut the fuck up.

The problem is attitues like THIS RIGHT HERE is alienating people, and if you want change you should actually try to reach out to those people, not push them away. You can keep yelling all you want, and youll keep getting Trump re-elected.
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As long as the Democrat party continues it's descent into identity politics, anti white rhetoric*, vote shaming, brainless virtue signaling, enforced groupthink, speech and thought suppression, and socialism....I will oppose it with everything I have.

* https://imgur.com/gallery/Wl6af
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

AcFan87 posted...

People are actually upset over this? Legitimately upset?

Just the far-left radicals who are liable to be on the FBI watch list for potential terrorism.

The Left: Over sensitive and overrated.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

As long as the Democrat party continues it's descent into identity politics, anti white rhetoric*, vote shaming, brainless virtue signaling, enforced groupthink, speech and thought suppression, and socialism....I will oppose it with everything I have.

* https://imgur.com/gallery/Wl6af

I will join you in that opposition!

AcFan87 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

As long as the Democrat party continues it's descent into identity politics, anti white rhetoric*, vote shaming, brainless virtue signaling, enforced groupthink, speech and thought suppression, and socialism....I will oppose it with everything I have.

* https://imgur.com/gallery/Wl6af

I will join you in that opposition!

Amen brother. Flexing that collectivism muscle.
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Darmik posted...

The thing I don't really get about America is that the Democrats don't overall seem very far-left to me.

It's like the 'far-left' of America gradually drifts further to the center when it comes to anything outside of social politics.

there's basically no left at all, let alone far left, in the US. Bernie Sanders is barely left of center.

that being said, supporting a few marginalized groups is not enough to qualify someone as being on the left
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averagejoel posted...

there's basically no left at all, let alone far left, in the US. Bernie Sanders is barely left of center.

lmao
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averagejoel posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I don't know CyricZ. I recognize the name so I have interacted with him. I would hope that he would take to heart what I've said. If not, he would be contributing to his own problem tbh.

I don't remember the statistics, but wasn't the total turnout something like 50% of the population? it seems to me that mobilizing that other 50% would be way easier than trying to appeal to so-called "moderate republicans"

get actual socialist candidates and the left will vote for them. people get excited by the prospect of actual, tangible, positive change. Clinton gave people no reason to vote for her other than "at least she's not trump"

I mean, you're arguing both against and for me here and it's spilt up almost by paragraph. I don't know what data supports the first half, but the apathetic non-voter is a thing. I don't know how much of an impact this had though, as voter apathy is more conducive in "solid" states on both sides.

However, you are correct in the 2nd paragraph that hillary had no appeal. Bernie was a more constructive candidate, but that doesn't mean the socialism platform is necessarily ideal for the left to run on.

Essentially, both parties had dumb contrast...

corruption, entitlement and SJW nonsense vs. perceived pre-communism and eye-rolling objection of the other branches.

traditional failed religious conservative legacy bullshit vs. earth-scorching fake news lies RAWR campaign.

It was a shitshow through and through.
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refmon posted...

https://imgur.com/q2SbK3p

I'm a leftist, liberal, whatever, and I completely agree with this. Fighting fire with fire spreads fire.
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Who is this guy and why is anyone talking about him
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HHH is the game posted...

The problem is attitues like THIS RIGHT HERE is alienating people

He's not a spokesperson for the left, he's a random guy online (assuming his gender!). If the online community was the driving force behind every decision we made, we'd probably be sociopaths by now.

Do you think it's any less alienating to hear the rhetoric about your people being criminals, rapists, parasites? To have things done to you or your family that horrify the international community? Or not even be a minority and go through a crisis not of your own doing, and then be turned on and accused of making the crisis up?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Sphyx posted...

Holding the left to account for the actions of the far left is a tricky pill to prescribe during the rise of the alt-right amid the silence of the moderates.

The far left silences moderates too. Where the far right silences moderates because moderates don't want to subscribe to blind nationalism or Christianity, the far left silences moderates because moderates don't want to subscribe to identity politics (which is a religion not unlike Christianity) and statism.

In other words, if you're a moderate you're basically considered far right to the left and far left to the right more often than anyone has anything in common with you.

See, the problem here is "identity politics" is not something that congregations of people who up on a certain day at a certain time to listen to bullshit speeches and sing boring songs in its praise. There are similarities sure, but you're overstating them dramatically.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

averagejoel posted...

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Simple algorithm for figuring out if someone is far left or far right.

Are you a communist? Far left.
Are you a fascist? Far right.

What about anarchists

depends which flavour of anarchism they like. anarcho-communist and anarcho-syndicalist are the good ones, anarcho-capitalists are basically fascists, and anarcho-primitivists are just fucking stupid

Note that averagejoel considers anarcho-communist and anarcho-syndicalist the "good ones" because he's literally a commie who has publicly advocated the murder of all the people who are financially stable.

You can't expect him to be impartial and unbiased.

@averagejoel I'm financially stable. I don't make a lot but I budget and I save. I'm about to hit 8 years on my current job. It's not glamorous, but it pays the bills and I live on better means than I have previously. I have a regular savings, and retirement plan(s), some of which is inherited and I've managed it wisely to optimize its eventual output, while many in my position would squander it. Fiscally, I've actually operated in a more right wing manner within the past decade. However, my votes have been for left wing candidates.

If my rights were to be imposed upon, to the point I felt threatened, you could naturally expect my name to play a part. Think of "the purge" series. I know what I would do.

But still, look at the other side a bit more. Are you really looking for people to get so paranoid that they feel the need to think of that doomsday shit? Is a "the purge" scenario even logical or warranted? No. It is not. However, your opponents think of it, and I'm not gonna tell you they are wrong to do so.

I will not abandon the left, but the left needs to step back and reevaluate, otherwise, the likelihood of additional losses increases. You can disbelieve me if you want but that's a fucking party death sentence. Trust me on that or don't (if you choose don't, play close attention)
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People getting mad at this guy are missing the point. This one guy doesnt matter. Hes talking about how to get Democrats to win by appealing to even more people, and I think what hes saying makes sense.
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democratic candidates have held steady in their slightly-left-of-(american)-center cronyism while republicans make continued rightward strides to a faux-theocracy but dems are the ones who are accused of "abandoning" the centerists
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One thing I don't get is, why is the onus always on the left to be bigger people and to be more civil while the right can get away with anything?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

As long as the Democrat party continues it's descent into identity politics, anti white rhetoric*, vote shaming, brainless virtue signaling, enforced groupthink, speech and thought suppression, and socialism....I will oppose it with everything I have.

* https://imgur.com/gallery/Wl6af

is it just anti-white identity politics you have a problem with, because our president won the seat thanks in part to playing white identity politics.
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