Current Events > I pride myself on being able to show a person God doesn't exist

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iHuman posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

There's more proof of intelligent design than not.

Also false. The universe had billions of years to work.

Time is relative. That's a weak argument.
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DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

Did God say he was omnipotent? If so, where?

Matthew 19:26

But Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Technically thats not God is it. Thats some guy who said he was God.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

iHuman posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

There's more proof of intelligent design than not.

Also false. The universe had billions of years to work.

Time is relative. That's a weak argument.

Intelligent design is a weak argument. Where is there evidence of intelligent design? In humans? We evolved slowly, gradually, one improvement at a time. Not to mention there are design flaws, we are just good enough. Why would Mr. Omnipotent not perfect his design?
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DuranOfForcena posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

There's more proof of intelligent design than not.

what proof

Ummmmm what planet do you live on?
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iHuman posted...

Intelligent design is a weak argument.

It's like you don't even understand what the term means.
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iHuman posted...

DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

Did God say he was omnipotent? If so, where?

Matthew 19:26

But Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Technically thats not God is it. Thats some guy who said he was God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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Asherlee10 posted...

The number of uninformed posts in this topic is about to reach a threshold.

Holy shit.

reasonable at least, oops I said a bad word
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DuranOfForcena posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

There's more proof of intelligent design than not.

what proof

Ummmmm what planet do you live on?

i'm not going to answer an obvious question. get to your point.

Why you obviously made up your mind. Why should I argue with you.

All I said there is more proof of intelligent design than not. That's a fairly objective statement.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

iHuman posted...

Intelligent design is a weak argument.

It's like you don't even understand what the term means.

You will be happier once you're not so stubborn to reason.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

All I said there is more proof of intelligent design than not.

In what?
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iHuman posted...

No it hasn't

Except it has. What do you think one of the primary functions of religion is? It's to ensure humankind lives a fulfilling life.

iHuman posted...

What religion?

You need not look further than Christianity, but you could always look to other interpretations. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.

iHuman posted...

All religion?

All religion.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

it's you who doesn't understand what the term means, and probably what a lot of other stuff means, if you think a theory whose entire basis is "well this couldn't all have arisen from just chance so it must have been god" isn't terminally weak.

I'm not even religious. Nor do I believe in a sky wizard like you are trying box people in.

My belief is there is obviously things greater than we understand or will be able to understand and the universe itself has proven to create amazing life among other amazing things.

To say there is no such thing as the concept of "god" is just ignorant at best.

The universe itself is god in the context of creating intelligent design. Proof is everywhere and we learn more and more everyday.

Dismissing that fact is just being brash and bullheaded for the sake of being an edgelord.

I'm not gonna argue because that's all you want to do is argue and be right, not take the middle road like a sane person and be like, "I don't know for sure, but I can honestly say life is pretty fucking amazing if you actually open your eyes".
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EverDownward posted...

iHuman posted...

No it hasn't

Except it has. What do you think one of the primary functions of religion is? It's to ensure humankind lives a fulfilling life.

iHuman posted...

What religion?

You need not look further than Christianity, but you could always look to other interpretations. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.

iHuman posted...

All religion?

All religion.

So does God put on a different hat to talk to different regions? Why does one region think its ok to sacrifice people and another doesn't? This is all understandable if morality was developed by man. Doesn't really make sense why God would do this.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Proof is everywhere and we learn more and more everyday.

Like?
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DuranOfForcena posted...

do you even know what you mean by that?

Science can explain certain details, it can help to extrapolate meaning but it cannot put a very definitive explanation for what good and evil is. This is subjective. Morality is not a tangible concept, which is why religion partly exists. It's there to provide the foundation for what is right and what is wrong.

DuranOfForcena posted...

false

Except I've refuted your claim in this very post. Logic would give way to religion being an existential skeleton for law. It starts at the spiritual, and culminates in the physical, in the material world.
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Asherlee10 posted...

DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

Did God say he was omnipotent? If so, where?

Matthew 19:26

But Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Technically thats not God is it. Thats some guy who said he was God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

What is that scripture verse supposed to mean?

More or less, that God indirectly wrote the Bible.

Looking deeper, it equates Jesus with Scripture based on what we see in John 1.
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Why wouldn't the guy writing the bible claim God is actually writing it through himself.
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Asherlee10 posted...

DevsBro posted...

More or less, that God indirectly wrote the Bible.

Looking deeper, it equates Jesus with Scripture based on what we see in John 1.

How does anyone know that god was supposed to be an indirect author of the Bible? It takes more trust than I'm willing to give to believe that a higher being was talking to them and they wrote it down.

Well that's up to you.

Though it's a little more involved than God telling people what to write down. For example, Solomon was given wisdom from God which he then used to write his works. In another example, Jesus found desciples who would then record his life. Etc.
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How did Jesus prove he was the son of God again? Turning water into wine?
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donald trump's penis is very small. That's my contribution to this topic tbh
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Lets not kick a dead horse (scholastic theology) we are materialists in a mechanical world until the capitalists say otherwise.
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iHuman posted...

How did Jesus prove he was the son of God again? Turning water into wine?

He fulfilled I forget how many hundred prophecies about the Messiah. If you're asking about a specific moment that convinced people, though, here's one:

Mark 15:37-39

37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.

38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died, he said, Surely this man was the Son of God!

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It must have been the display of power Jesus showed by ripping a curtain in half.
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God is such a beta he has to have like three commandments demanding people like him
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DuranOfForcena posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Where did the matter in the singularity come from before the big bang? That's my hangup on believing everything just exists with no higher power making it so in ways beyond our comprehension. Not necessarily omnipotent, but a god nonetheless to beings of our intellect.

so let me get this straight. you can't conceive of any possible way that the matter in the big bang could have existed, so you assume it must be god? what about how god could exist? if you want a concrete explanation of where the matter in the big bang came from, then why aren't you asking the same thing about where the matter in a god came from? it's the same exact situation, and acting like one doesn't need an explain where the other does is ridiculous, biased and incredibly ignorant.

also, just because something is beyond our current understanding or comprehension doesn't mean that god is automatically the explanation. that's the kind of thinking that led to the dark ages, and centuries of ignorance and cultural & societal regression. if everyone always just said "it must be god" about things they don't currently understand, then we wouldn't have science or mathematics, or astrophysics or quantum mechanics. is there a higher power behind the workings of the universe that we don't fully comprehend yet? of course there is. but it's foolish and short-sighted to just say "it must be god" and call it a day. what it is is science that we don't understand yet, but the keyword there is yet.

It's like you didn't comprehend the second part of my post.
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PiOverlord posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

@Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Where did the matter in the singularity come from before the big bang? That's my hangup on believing everything just exists with no higher power making it so in ways beyond our comprehension. Not necessarily omnipotent, but a god nonetheless to beings of our intellect.

I think there's a theory that basically time is an illusion and matter has always just been "around" and the universe is going through cycles of expanding and contracting

Sounds dumb.

Breathtaking analysis
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I remember my biology teacher saying if someone designed the human body with an intelligent thought process, they absolutely sucked at designing a good body
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posting in a dumb 500 post topic
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DuranOfForcena posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

It's like you didn't comprehend the second part of my post.

no, i did

Then you must understand that "not being sure it wasn't God or anything similar" =/= "it was God"
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Years ago I probably would have felt the same. I'm not a teenager anymore and recognize that my feelings mean nothing to anyone else and that regardless of how I feel about it, religion exists and therefore it is valuable to understand it. Nowadays, I still consider myself an atheist, but I have a strong interest in paganism as a placebo sort of system. Religion should really be more of an art form than a science.

DuranOfForcena posted...

book about how jesus is the son of god proves jesus is the son of god by having someone in the book say "oh, jesus must be the son of god!"

yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Here's a statement from somebody a little more in the know:

Matthew 3:13-17

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?

15 Jesus replied, Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness. Then John consented.

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.

iHuman posted...

It must have been the display of power Jesus showed by ripping a curtain in half.

The curtain of the temple was a big deal, actually.

Hebrews 9:1-7

Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aarons staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.

Leviticus 16:2

The Lord said to Moses: Tell your brother Aaron that he is not to come whenever he chooses into the Most Holy Place behind the curtain in front of the atonement cover on the ark, or else he will die. For I will appear in the cloud over the atonement cover.

And it's noteworthy, too, that it tore from top to bottom. The curtain being torn basically meant the void between God and man had been reconciled by Jesus' death.
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