Current Events > The best defense of socialism I ever read.

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I was reading the comments section of this youtube video, which talks about the economic collapse of Venezuela:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1gUR8wM5vA" data-time="

Someone wrote this:

Socialism at it's finest.

Here's the reply from one of the commenters:

if you hate socialism so much then why are you going around in SOCIAL media networks like FB and Youtube, eh? and if you hate socialism you should not be talking to people. because talking to people is socializing and if you are socializing you are a socialist. so go nd live in a cave somewhere.

Well... when you put it that way...
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I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.

Or averagejoel
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.

Well, Karl Marx's writings are a product of the industrial revolution, which was well over a century ago. Things were very different back then.
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frozenshock posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.

Well, Karl Marx's writings are a product of the industrial revolution, which was well over a century ago. Things were very different back then.

Which is why it is lunacy to treat Marx as some kind of prophet or to follow his writings as if they have anything to contribute in this day and age.
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The market should be free to use child labor and unsafe working conditions like China.
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Was @Complete_Idi0t commenting on YT videos?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

frozenshock posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.

Well, Karl Marx's writings are a product of the industrial revolution, which was well over a century ago. Things were very different back then.

Which is why it is lunacy to treat Marx as some kind of prophet or to follow his writings as if they have anything to contribute in this day and age.

It's crazy to think that some of the worst atrocities committed in the 20th century would have never happened if it weren't for Marx
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well when you put it that way comrade..
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That's actually the corniest defense of socialism I've ever seen. Because he's treating socialism like it literally means just socializing with people instead of being a method of running a nation.

Basically, it's a joke.
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thecoolgu posted...

being a method of running a nation.

It's not that either.
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lmao at the commies trying to flood the topic
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You guys ever see those pictures of the starvation and cannibalism in communist countries? Like in eastern Europe and in Soviet Russia. It's horrifying and gruesome what collectivization of agriculture does.
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good thing capitalism has never killed anybody

Dragon56 posted...

good thing capitalism has never killed anybody

capitalism doesn't teach anything about killing people, whereas communism does
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capitalism would be killing people if not for regulations
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Dragon56 posted...

good thing capitalism has never killed anybody

capitalism doesn't teach anything about killing people, whereas communism does

The drug cartels are unregulated capitalism
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I was expecting this: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/07/3-arguments-against-socialism-and-why-they-fail

Everything is about balance. Unchecked capitalism is arguably worse than unchecked socialism, which is also terrible.

America is returning to a feudal system because the 1% have had too many freedoms.
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Taxer posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Dragon56 posted...

good thing capitalism has never killed anybody

capitalism doesn't teach anything about killing people, whereas communism does

The drug cartels are unregulated capitalism

The drug cartels exist because governments created a black market which suppressed the free market. If we legalized drugs, the black market would collapse because the free market would be activated.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

America is returning to a feudal system because the 1% have had too many freedoms.

How? Any specifics?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The drug cartels exist because governments created a black market which suppressed the free market. If we legalized drugs, the black market would collapse because the free market would be activated.

So, basically, Reagan was completely wrong by pursuing his war on drugs?
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Everything is about balance. Unchecked capitalism is arguably worse than unchecked socialism, which is also terrible.

America is returning to a feudal system because the 1% have had too many freedoms.

In Communist Russia they had to create signs reminding people that it was wrong to eat their children. Idk how capitalism could ever be argued to be as bad, let alone worse than that.
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frozenshock posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The drug cartels exist because governments created a black market which suppressed the free market. If we legalized drugs, the black market would collapse because the free market would be activated.

So, basically, Reagan was completely wrong by pursuing his war on drugs?

I don't know or care enough about Reagan and his policies to comment on that. All I know is that drug cartels are the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is pro competition and free trade, not black markets and violent monopolies.
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frozenshock posted...

So, basically, Reagan was completely wrong by pursuing his war on drugs?

well yeah, has the drug war really solved anything?
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nicklebro posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Everything is about balance. Unchecked capitalism is arguably worse than unchecked socialism, which is also terrible.

America is returning to a feudal system because the 1% have had too many freedoms.

In Communist Russia they had to create signs reminding people that it was wrong to eat their children. Idk how capitalism could ever be argued to be as bad, let alone worse than that.

However, don't forget that Lenin's last will was to have Stalin kicked out.

Not to say that Lenin and Trotsky were angels, but Stalin was kind of a step further in the horribleness department.
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frozenshock posted...

nicklebro posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Everything is about balance. Unchecked capitalism is arguably worse than unchecked socialism, which is also terrible.

America is returning to a feudal system because the 1% have had too many freedoms.

In Communist Russia they had to create signs reminding people that it was wrong to eat their children. Idk how capitalism could ever be argued to be as bad, let alone worse than that.

However, don't forget that Lenin's last will was to have Stalin kicked out.

Not to say that Lenin and Trotsky were angels, but Stalin was kind of a step further in the horribleness department.

I read that's not really true and was just propaganda. And I don't see how they're any better than. Stalin, they just weren't around as long.
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There is no good argument for socialism.
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Payzmaykr posted...

There is no good argument for socialism.

Its capitalism with regulations

capitalism without regulations would directly and indirectly kill people if it meant making more money
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if you hate socialism so much then why are you going around in SOCIAL media networks like FB and Youtube, eh? and if you hate socialism you should not be talking to people. because talking to people is socializing and if you are socializing you are a socialist. so go nd live in a cave somewhere.

I would say this is sarcasm but some people are really that dumb.
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iHuman posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

There is no good argument for socialism.

Its capitalism with regulations

capitalism without regulations would directly and indirectly kill people if it meant making more money

Socialism is not capitalism with regulations. Capitalism already has regulations to begin with, and is far different from socialism.
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nicklebro posted...

iHuman posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

There is no good argument for socialism.

Its capitalism with regulations

capitalism without regulations would directly and indirectly kill people if it meant making more money

Socialism is not capitalism with regulations. Capitalism already has regulations to begin with, and is far different from socialism.

Its not that different, if the government is telling you how to run your business its really not yours
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iHuman posted...

Its not that different, if the government is telling you how to run your business its really not yours

It's way different and idk how you could possibly say otherwise. Look at socialist nationd and capitalist nations and tell me they're not vastly different. Plus having regulations is not even close to the government "telling you how to run your business"
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because the underlying assumptions aren't radically different, the derivatives of those assumptions can be

you can even derive radically different branches of capitalism/socialism/communism
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What underlying assumptions are you referring to?
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the definitions of these isms
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That doesn't answer my question at all.
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https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
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the pieces from Monthly Review and from Current Affairs are garbage lol.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

the pieces from Monthly Review and from Current Affairs are garbage lol.

i wouldn't call any paper by albert einstein garbage
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Antifar posted...

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

That's a tough read and really doesn't say anything worth reading, so I'm curious as to why you posted it. What specific part of that link were you hoping we'd read?
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nicklebro posted...

Antifar posted...

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

That's a tough read and really doesn't say anything worth reading, so I'm curious as to why you posted it. What specific part of that link were you hoping we'd read?

it's basically just word salad full of non-sequiturs, strawmen, and obfuscation.

it's worth mentioning that recently Antifar repeatedly defended the idea of violent revolution, IE where anyone who is successful is rounded up and executed. he agrees with political violence and sees nothing wrong with non-communists being executed. So it's in his best interests to obfuscate rather than straight up try to defend communism, because he gets absolutely slaughtered when he tries honest discussion on the topic.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

nicklebro posted...

Antifar posted...

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

That's a tough read and really doesn't say anything worth reading, so I'm curious as to why you posted it. What specific part of that link were you hoping we'd read?

it's basically just word salad full of non-sequiturs, strawmen, and obfuscation.

it's worth mentioning that recently Antifar repeatedly defended the idea of violent revolution, IE where anyone who is successful is rounded up and executed. he agrees with political violence and sees nothing wrong with non-communists being executed. So it's in his best interests to obfuscate rather than straight up try to defend communism, because he gets absolutely slaughtered when he tries honest discussion on the topic.

Whoa, I'd need to actually see those words cuz those are some pretty intense accusations there. Sounds like hes advocating for a Bolshevikian revolution...
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nicklebro posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

nicklebro posted...

Antifar posted...

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

That's a tough read and really doesn't say anything worth reading, so I'm curious as to why you posted it. What specific part of that link were you hoping we'd read?

it's basically just word salad full of non-sequiturs, strawmen, and obfuscation.

it's worth mentioning that recently Antifar repeatedly defended the idea of violent revolution, IE where anyone who is successful is rounded up and executed. he agrees with political violence and sees nothing wrong with non-communists being executed. So it's in his best interests to obfuscate rather than straight up try to defend communism, because he gets absolutely slaughtered when he tries honest discussion on the topic.

Whoa, I'd need to actually see those words cuz those are some pretty intense accusations there. Sounds like hes advocating for a Bolshevikian revolution...

He has. So did other CEmen like averagejoel and Godnorgosh.
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That's ridiculous
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Violence is fine, but I've never once advocated for executing people, much less "rounding up everyone who is successful." That is, at best, a willful misinterpretation of what socialism is, and at worst a blatant lie by a poster I have ignored for good reason. He will not provide any evidence of me posting something like that because it never fucking happened.
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