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MarqueeSeries 07/07/18 7:34:44 PM #51:	nicklebro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... nicklebro posted... Antifar posted... https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ That's a tough read and really doesn't say anything worth reading, so I'm curious as to why you posted it. What specific part of that link were you hoping we'd read? it's basically just word salad full of non-sequiturs, strawmen, and obfuscation. it's worth mentioning that recently Antifar repeatedly defended the idea of violent revolution, IE where anyone who is successful is rounded up and executed. he agrees with political violence and sees nothing wrong with non-communists being executed. So it's in his best interests to obfuscate rather than straight up try to defend communism, because he gets absolutely slaughtered when he tries honest discussion on the topic. Whoa, I'd need to actually see those words cuz those are some pretty intense accusations there. Sounds like hes advocating for a Bolshevikian revolution... Yeah, if he said it, let's see it. Cause that's pretty extreme --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:904669959] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ </quote> That's a tough read and really doesn't say anything worth reading, so I'm curious as to why you posted it. What specific part of that link were you hoping we'd read? </quote> it's basically just word salad full of non-sequiturs, strawmen, and obfuscation. it's worth mentioning that recently Antifar repeatedly defended the idea of violent revolution, IE where anyone who is successful is rounded up and executed. he agrees with political violence and sees nothing wrong with non-communists being executed. So it's in his best interests to obfuscate rather than straight up try to defend communism, because he gets absolutely slaughtered when he tries honest discussion on the topic.</quote> Whoa, I'd need to actually see those words cuz those are some pretty intense accusations there. Sounds like hes advocating for a Bolshevikian revolution...</quote> Yeah, if he said it, let's see it. Cause that's pretty extreme</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/07/18 7:35:11 PM #52:	It might've been averagejoel who said the bit about executing people who are successful (I'd have to look again since both of your usernames begin with an A), but you definitely celebrated and endorsed literal socialists rioting and damaging shit in Germany during Marx Day or w/e And you've supported Antifa and their views on violent revolution. Who do you think that violence is being done to? You're being dishonest and you "ignore" me because your views got smashed in the past and you don't want to have to defend socialism lol. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904669983] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>It might've been averagejoel who said the bit about executing people who are successful (I'd have to look again since both of your usernames begin with an A), but you definitely celebrated and endorsed literal socialists rioting and damaging shit in Germany during Marx Day or w/e And you've supported Antifa and their views on violent revolution. Who do you think that violence is being done to? You're being dishonest and you "ignore" me because your views got smashed in the past and you don't want to have to defend socialism lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jumi 07/07/18 8:03:25 PM #54:	FLUFFYGERM posted... frozenshock posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote. Well, Karl Marx's writings are a product of the industrial revolution, which was well over a century ago. Things were very different back then. Which is why it is lunacy to treat Marx as some kind of prophet or to follow his writings as if they have anything to contribute in this day and age. Says someone whose party bases policy on a 2000-year-old book written by Bronze Age shepherds. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:904671240] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.</quote> Well, Karl Marx's writings are a product of the industrial revolution, which was well over a century ago. Things were very different back then.</quote> Which is why it is lunacy to treat Marx as some kind of prophet or to follow his writings as if they have anything to contribute in this day and age.</quote> Says someone whose party bases policy on a 2000-year-old book written by Bronze Age shepherds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/07/18 8:08:40 PM #55:	jumi posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... frozenshock posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote. Well, Karl Marx's writings are a product of the industrial revolution, which was well over a century ago. Things were very different back then. Which is why it is lunacy to treat Marx as some kind of prophet or to follow his writings as if they have anything to contribute in this day and age. Says someone whose party bases policy on a 2000-year-old book written by Bronze Age shepherds. I have no party allegiance my child. But tell me again why a second wrong justifies listening to Marx despite him being wildly incorrect --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904671468] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.</quote> Well, Karl Marx's writings are a product of the industrial revolution, which was well over a century ago. Things were very different back then.</quote> Which is why it is lunacy to treat Marx as some kind of prophet or to follow his writings as if they have anything to contribute in this day and age.</quote> Says someone whose party bases policy on a 2000-year-old book written by Bronze Age shepherds.</quote> I have no party allegiance my child. But tell me again why a second wrong justifies listening to Marx despite him being wildly incorrect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/07/18 8:08:53 PM #56:	FLUFFYGERM posted... I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote. Karl Marx had a true vision, more than you can say. His vision is our future. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:904671479] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.</quote> Karl Marx had a true vision, more than you can say. His vision is our future.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 07/07/18 8:10:10 PM #57:	Wildly incorrect about what? I very seriously doubt everything he said was incorrect. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:904671531] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>Wildly incorrect about what? I very seriously doubt everything he said was incorrect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lesidesi 07/07/18 8:10:41 PM #58:	FLUFFYGERM posted... I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote. by no means do i subscribe to marx's way of thinking on almost anything but this is so moronically hyperbolic it does more to harm your case than it does to support it --- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. <cite>lesidesi posted [p:904671546] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's certainly more sophisticated and nuanced than anything Karl Marx wrote.</quote> by no means do i subscribe to marx's way of thinking on almost anything but this is so moronically hyperbolic it does more to harm your case than it does to support it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/07/18 8:14:12 PM #59:	jumi posted... Wildly incorrect about what? I very seriously doubt everything he said was incorrect. even a broke clock is right twice a day http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/why-marxs-philosophy-but-not-his-economics-matters-now/ lmao are you a commie? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904671708] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>Wildly incorrect about what? I very seriously doubt everything he said was incorrect.</quote> even a broke clock is right twice a day http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/why-marxs-philosophy-but-not-his-economics-matters-now/ lmao are you a commie?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/07/18 8:24:54 PM #60:	FLUFFYGERM posted... jumi posted... Wildly incorrect about what? I very seriously doubt everything he said was incorrect. even a broke clock is right twice a day http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/why-marxs-philosophy-but-not-his-economics-matters-now/ lmao are you a commie? I am, and I'm proud. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:904672168] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>Wildly incorrect about what? I very seriously doubt everything he said was incorrect.</quote> even a broke clock is right twice a day http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/why-marxs-philosophy-but-not-his-economics-matters-now/ lmao are you a commie?</quote> I am, and I'm proud.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 11:27:27 AM #61:	@nicklebro @MarqueeSeries Here's some picture evidence since he said there is no evidence. First is this picture for context: https://imgur.com/a/WGAY36t This was his response: https://imgur.com/a/XEFpjed Here's another topic about Antifa members advocating for revolutionary violence against capitalists and calling for military actions against the "enemies of the people": https://imgur.com/a/cJIZSAn Here is his response to that was to say that this specific group of Antifa (the "Red Guard") is great, IE condoning their actions and desires. https://imgur.com/a/WrSmoop Here's one about Antifa members rioting and burning shit up in Paris during Marx's birthday. https://imgur.com/UA586ql I might have been mistaken about Antifar being the one posting about executing people who are successful, it was averagejoel who said that. I'd have to look and see what else I've got. Ultimately it's easy to get them confused with one another since their usernames start with A (and my stuff is organized by username) and they agree with each other on most things. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904700825] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>@nicklebro @MarqueeSeries Here's some picture evidence since he said there is no evidence. First is this picture for context: https://imgur.com/a/WGAY36t This was his response: https://imgur.com/a/XEFpjed Here's another topic about Antifa members advocating for revolutionary violence against capitalists and calling for military actions against the "enemies of the people": https://imgur.com/a/cJIZSAn Here is his response to that was to say that this specific group of Antifa (the "Red Guard") is great, IE condoning their actions and desires. https://imgur.com/a/WrSmoop Here's one about Antifa members rioting and burning shit up in Paris during Marx's birthday. https://imgur.com/UA586ql I might have been mistaken about Antifar being the one posting about executing people who are successful, it was averagejoel who said that. I'd have to look and see what else I've got. Ultimately it's easy to get them confused with one another since their usernames start with A (and my stuff is organized by username) and they agree with each other on most things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 07/08/18 11:33:10 AM #62:	Oof I get being dissatisfied with the status quo but I'm not sure violent displacement of one political group for another is the best idea right now --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:904701012] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>Oof I get being dissatisfied with the status quo but I'm not sure violent displacement of one political group for another is the best idea right now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 11:35:13 AM #63:	MarqueeSeries posted... Oof I get being dissatisfied with the status quo but I'm not sure violent displacement of one political group for another is the best idea right now Marxism is a religion that demands ideological purity. Anyone who fails to be Marxist enough is, ultimately, executed. We've seen it play out so many times in the 20th century. No matter how much evidence you provide to show that Marxist political violence just collapses countries, the Marxists will keep chugging along with their lofty and uninformed ideals around revolution. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904701081] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>MarqueeSeries posted...</cite> <quote>Oof I get being dissatisfied with the status quo but I'm not sure violent displacement of one political group for another is the best idea right now</quote> Marxism is a religion that demands ideological purity. Anyone who fails to be Marxist enough is, ultimately, executed. We've seen it play out so many times in the 20th century. No matter how much evidence you provide to show that Marxist political violence just collapses countries, the Marxists will keep chugging along with their lofty and uninformed ideals around revolution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/08/18 11:37:43 AM #64:	Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:904701173] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 11:38:49 AM #65:	Kineth posted... Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism. What haven't I done any reading on? Where did I treat capitalism like it's a religion? Which erroneous statements? Feel free to be sympathetic to any ideology you want, but don't say it's my fault you're doing it bro. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904701206] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism.</quote> What haven't I done any reading on? Where did I treat capitalism like it's a religion? Which erroneous statements? Feel free to be sympathetic to any ideology you want, but don't say it's my fault you're doing it bro.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 07/08/18 11:39:32 AM #66:	I want socialism because then I can get paid to sit at home and play video games all day! --- https://imgur.com/lwkIVOb <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:904701224] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>I want socialism because then I can get paid to sit at home and play video games all day!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/08/18 11:40:22 AM #67:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism. What haven't I done any reading on? Where did I treat capitalism like it's a religion? Which erroneous statements? Feel free to be sympathetic to any ideology you want, but don't say it's my fault you're doing it bro. We've had enough conversations over this where I'm gonna just simply ask you to cut the shit. You know what I'm talking about. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:904701244] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism.</quote> What haven't I done any reading on? Where did I treat capitalism like it's a religion? Which erroneous statements? Feel free to be sympathetic to any ideology you want, but don't say it's my fault you're doing it bro.</quote> We've had enough conversations over this where I'm gonna just simply ask you to cut the shit. You know what I'm talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 07/08/18 11:40:38 AM #68:	REMercsChamp posted... I want socialism because then I can get paid to sit at home and play video games all day! You're more likely to achieve that under capitalism tbqh --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:904701260] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I want socialism because then I can get paid to sit at home and play video games all day!</quote> You're more likely to achieve that under capitalism tbqh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 11:41:35 AM #69:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism. What haven't I done any reading on? Where did I treat capitalism like it's a religion? Which erroneous statements? Feel free to be sympathetic to any ideology you want, but don't say it's my fault you're doing it bro. We've had enough conversations over this where I'm gonna just simply ask you to cut the shit. You know what I'm talking about. No I don't. In fact just the other day you "tested" me on something and said I "passed" now all of a sudden you're alluding to conversations where I treat capitalism like a religion or make repeated erroneous statements. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904701287] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus fucking Christ @Fluffygerm. You sure got a lot of garbage to say about something you've never done any actual reading on. You're the one treating capitalism like it's a religion. Honestly, your repeated erroneous statements make me want to espouse communism.</quote> What haven't I done any reading on? Where did I treat capitalism like it's a religion? Which erroneous statements? Feel free to be sympathetic to any ideology you want, but don't say it's my fault you're doing it bro.</quote> We've had enough conversations over this where I'm gonna just simply ask you to cut the shit. You know what I'm talking about.</quote> No I don't. In fact just the other day you "tested" me on something and said I "passed" now all of a sudden you're alluding to conversations where I treat capitalism like a religion or make repeated erroneous statements.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/08/18 11:44:22 AM #70:	Do you remember the rest of the post where I said you passed? Because I know for sure that wasn't the only thing I said in that post, let alone that topic. And that was the 3rd topic since you were starting out insinuating that I'm a communist. Cut the bullshit and argue like a man. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:904701374] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>Do you remember the rest of the post where I said you passed? Because I know for sure that wasn't the only thing I said in that post, let alone that topic. And that was the 3rd topic since you were starting out insinuating that I'm a communist. Cut the bullshit and argue like a man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 11:45:03 AM #71:	Kineth posted... Do you remember the rest of the post where I said you passed? Because I know for sure that wasn't the only thing I said in that post, let alone that topic. Oh yeah, you incorrectly said that Marxism allows for legal tender. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904701404] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Do you remember the rest of the post where I said you passed? Because I know for sure that wasn't the only thing I said in that post, let alone that topic.</quote> Oh yeah, you incorrectly said that Marxism allows for legal tender.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 11:45:42 AM #72:	Kineth posted... And that was the 3rd topic since you were starting out insinuating that I'm a communist. Cut the bulls* and argue like a man. You said you're not a communist, so I haven't called you a communist. And I'm right here, ready to argue like a man any time broseph. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904701426] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>And that was the 3rd topic since you were starting out insinuating that I'm a communist. Cut the bulls* and argue like a man. </quote> You said you're not a communist, so I haven't called you a communist. And I'm right here, ready to argue like a man any time broseph.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/08/18 11:48:45 AM #73:	I never talked about "Marxism" and there was nothing incorrect about what I said. I'll repeat this again since you forgot that I had said this a month or two ago. The only requirement for a communist economy is that the workers own the means of production and thus get the direct fruits of their labor. How that is executed can be done in a lot of different ways, like the Yugoslavia economy, which I've talked to you about multiple times. You're really just piling shit into the hole you're digging. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:904701555] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>I never talked about "Marxism" and there was nothing incorrect about what I said. I'll repeat this again since you forgot that I had said this a month or two ago. The only requirement for a communist economy is that the workers own the means of production and thus get the direct fruits of their labor. How that is executed can be done in a lot of different ways, like the Yugoslavia economy, which I've talked to you about multiple times. You're really just piling shit into the hole you're digging.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/18 11:54:03 AM #74:	Taxer posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragon56 posted... good thing capitalism has never killed anybody capitalism doesn't teach anything about killing people, whereas communism does The drug cartels are unregulated capitalism No, they aren't. That's crony capitalism at it's finest. Besides, liberals tell us it's the regulations that are the problem. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904701764] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taxer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragon56 posted...</cite> <quote>good thing capitalism has never killed anybody</quote> capitalism doesn't teach anything about killing people, whereas communism does</quote> The drug cartels are unregulated capitalism</quote> No, they aren't. That's crony capitalism at it's finest. Besides, liberals tell us it's the regulations that are the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/08/18 11:56:14 AM #75:	darkjedilink posted... Besides, liberals tell us it's the regulations that are the problem. lol, a conservative said that liberals are anti-regulation. We've reached peak insanity. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:904701843] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Besides, liberals tell us it's the regulations that are the problem.</quote> lol, a conservative said that liberals are anti-regulation. We've reached peak insanity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 11:58:25 AM #76:	darkjedilink posted... Taxer posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragon56 posted... good thing capitalism has never killed anybody capitalism doesn't teach anything about killing people, whereas communism does The drug cartels are unregulated capitalism No, they aren't. That's crony capitalism at it's finest. Besides, liberals tell us it's the regulations that are the problem. It's not even crony capitalism. It's literally government intervention creating a black market. If drugs were legalized and a free market allowed to operate, the drug war would be over. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904701932] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taxer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragon56 posted...</cite> <quote>good thing capitalism has never killed anybody</quote> capitalism doesn't teach anything about killing people, whereas communism does</quote> The drug cartels are unregulated capitalism</quote> No, they aren't. That's crony capitalism at it's finest. Besides, liberals tell us it's the regulations that are the problem.</quote> It's not even crony capitalism. It's literally government intervention creating a black market. If drugs were legalized and a free market allowed to operate, the drug war would be over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 07/08/18 12:00:32 PM #77:	frozenshock posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... The drug cartels exist because governments created a black market which suppressed the free market. If we legalized drugs, the black market would collapse because the free market would be activated. So, basically, Reagan was completely wrong by pursuing his war on drugs? ...yes. this is obvious. the war on drugs is the single most destructive domestic policy this country has ever had. worse than the patriot act. --- https://i.imgtc.com/IR4XrBA.gif https://i.imgtc.com/7X1rBRv.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:904702021] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>The drug cartels exist because governments created a black market which suppressed the free market. If we legalized drugs, the black market would collapse because the free market would be activated.</quote> So, basically, Reagan was completely wrong by pursuing his war on drugs?</quote> ...yes. this is obvious. the war on drugs is the single most destructive domestic policy this country has ever had. worse than the patriot act.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 12:05:01 PM #78:	Kineth posted... I never talked about "Marxism" and there was nothing incorrect about what I said. I'll repeat this again since you forgot that I had said this a month or two ago. The only requirement for a communist economy is that the workers own the means of production and thus get the direct fruits of their labor. How that is executed can be done in a lot of different ways, like the Yugoslavia economy, which I've talked to you about multiple times. You're really just piling shit into the hole you're digging. Marxism/communism does not allow for legal tender, broseph. And it seems like one of CE's actual communists disagrees with you on what communism's requirements are. https://imgur.com/TmRUr35 Also, what good did you see in Yugoslavia's economy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia After reading that general summary, it seems like they constantly had issues around unemployment, brain drain, and inefficiency. How is it a good example of communism being implemented? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904702225] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>I never talked about "Marxism" and there was nothing incorrect about what I said. I'll repeat this again since you forgot that I had said this a month or two ago. The only requirement for a communist economy is that the workers own the means of production and thus get the direct fruits of their labor. How that is executed can be done in a lot of different ways, like the Yugoslavia economy, which I've talked to you about multiple times. You're really just piling shit into the hole you're digging.</quote> Marxism/communism does not allow for legal tender, broseph. And it seems like one of CE's actual communists disagrees with you on what communism's requirements are. https://imgur.com/TmRUr35 Also, what good did you see in Yugoslavia's economy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia After reading that general summary, it seems like they constantly had issues around unemployment, brain drain, and inefficiency. How is it a good example of communism being implemented?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/08/18 12:06:59 PM #79:	I typed paragraphs for you to read about Yugoslavia's economy in prior topics and you only just now read a little bit of the fucking wiki article? I don't need to bother with this. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:904702298] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>I typed paragraphs for you to read about Yugoslavia's economy in prior topics and you only just now read a little bit of the fucking wiki article? I don't need to bother with this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 12:08:08 PM #80:	If you typed paragraphs about Yugoslavia's economy, then I didn't see them. shrug You're really stretching my attempts to give you the benefit of the doubt, and posturing as being on a high horse and needing to talk down to me just makes that harder. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904702344] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>If you typed paragraphs about Yugoslavia's economy, then I didn't see them. shrug You're really stretching my attempts to give you the benefit of the doubt, and posturing as being on a high horse and needing to talk down to me just makes that harder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/08/18 12:12:09 PM #81:	When you started selectively quoting what I said in the past, was when you started stretching the same attempts on my side. I'm talking down to you because I've actually studied economics and various economic systems and you have the nerve to tell me I'm wrong? Who the fuck are you? I'm done with this for now. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:904702521] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>When you started selectively quoting what I said in the past, was when you started stretching the same attempts on my side. I'm talking down to you because I've actually studied economics and various economic systems and you have the nerve to tell me I'm wrong? Who the fuck are you? I'm done with this for now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 12:14:52 PM #82:	Doesn't matter what someone studies, dude. Studying something doesn't give you absolute authority. It doesn't mean you can't be wrong. It doesn't mean other people don't know about economics or haven't read about economics. I don't need to get an economics degree in order to know or talk about the subject. You've been proven wrong twice in this topic. Once with regards to legal tender, and once with regards to the requirements of communism. Godnorgosh proved you wrong, actually, not me. He didn't major in economics either. shrug --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904702646] in The best d... [t:76785670]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't matter what someone studies, dude. Studying something doesn't give you absolute authority. It doesn't mean you can't be wrong. It doesn't mean other people don't know about economics or haven't read about economics. I don't need to get an economics degree in order to know or talk about the subject. You've been proven wrong twice in this topic. Once with regards to legal tender, and once with regards to the requirements of communism. Godnorgosh proved you wrong, actually, not me. He didn't major in economics either. shrug</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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