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FrisbeeDude 07/10/18 11:03:21 AM #102:	mario2000 posted... Tmk posted... St0rmFury posted... Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about. It's about calling out corruption in games journalism. Games journalism instead claims it's about nazism, violence, bigotry, harassment and terrorism. because it was the "corruption in games journalism" was just a weak smokescreen that all intelligent people saw right through pretty much every non neckbeard knew it was just a front to harass women --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904818258] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about.</quote> It's about calling out corruption in games journalism. Games journalism instead claims it's about nazism, violence, bigotry, harassment and terrorism.</quote> because it was the "corruption in games journalism" was just a weak smokescreen that all intelligent people saw right through</quote> pretty much every non neckbeard knew it was just a front to harass women</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 07/10/18 11:07:22 AM #104:	Conflict posted... I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904818476] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous</quote> hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 07/10/18 11:08:03 AM #105:	I think gamergate was a turning point for regular internet folks to start hating modern day liberals and sjws lmao <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:904818506] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>I think gamergate was a turning point for regular internet folks to start hating modern day liberals and sjws lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 07/10/18 11:09:03 AM #106:	CyricZ posted... The term "gamer" had problems in the public eye well before the articles. Anyone who wasn't insulated deep within the gaming community could see tha That's the whole issue. This wasn't coming from outside the gaming community. This was coming from within it. The journos we're basically saying 'Hey, you know all those people who look down on gaming and gamers? Well they're completely right." CyricZ posted... Which is why assuming this was the intent is so fallacious. No one in their right mind would do such a thing, yet toxic and misled gamers just assumed that here's the exception, because they couldn't see past their own anger over being called out. And yet they did just that. Anyone who criticize one of Anita's videos was part of that dirty little gamer group. Anyone who questioned their journalistic practices was part of that dirty group. Anyone who was annoyed by the whole 'games as art' type games was part of the group. And anyone who didn't like the articles, conveniently, was also part of that group. To be honest, even if somehow that wasn't their intent, their hamfisted and idiotic delivery and defense of the insulting articles sure as hell would be enough to get people angry. No clarification, no apology and no discussion or dialog was put forth by these people. Instead constant redeclarations, constant attacking and constant insults and slander. Ya, some people get angry at being 'called out". And some people get angry at being insulted and lied about. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:904818552] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>The term "gamer" had problems in the public eye well before the articles. Anyone who wasn't insulated deep within the gaming community could see tha</quote> That's the whole issue. This wasn't coming from outside the gaming community. This was coming from within it. The journos we're basically saying 'Hey, you know all those people who look down on gaming and gamers? Well they're completely right." <cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why assuming this was the intent is so fallacious. No one in their right mind would do such a thing, yet toxic and misled gamers just assumed that here's the exception, because they couldn't see past their own anger over being called out.</quote> And yet they did just that. Anyone who criticize one of Anita's videos was part of that dirty little gamer group. Anyone who questioned their journalistic practices was part of that dirty group. Anyone who was annoyed by the whole 'games as art' type games was part of the group. And anyone who didn't like the articles, conveniently, was also part of that group. To be honest, even if somehow that wasn't their intent, their hamfisted and idiotic delivery and defense of the insulting articles sure as hell would be enough to get people angry. No clarification, no apology and no discussion or dialog was put forth by these people. Instead constant redeclarations, constant attacking and constant insults and slander. Ya, some people get angry at being 'called out". And some people get angry at being insulted and lied about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:09:45 AM #107:	reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904818581] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 07/10/18 11:12:43 AM #109:	Conflict posted... mario2000 posted... Conflict posted... I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility It's not a harassment campaign tho? Watch the 90-second video I posted. I'm not gonna claim there isn't an element of toxicity in the userbase but it was a response to a journalistic shitshow, not a 'ploy to harass journalists' i was there when it happened i know exactly what it was and what it was about everyone claiming to be "fighting for ethics in games journalism" (which is a laughable statement in of itself) spent most of their time complaining about women and coming up with tactics to harass them it absolutely was a harassment campaign --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904818744] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous</quote> hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility</quote> It's not a harassment campaign tho? Watch the 90-second video I posted. I'm not gonna claim there isn't an element of toxicity in the userbase but it was a response to a journalistic shitshow, not a 'ploy to harass journalists'</quote> i was there when it happened i know exactly what it was and what it was about everyone claiming to be "fighting for ethics in games journalism" (which is a laughable statement in of itself) spent most of their time complaining about women and coming up with tactics to harass them it absolutely was a harassment campaign</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/10/18 11:13:03 AM #110:	mario2000 posted... reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904818768] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant</quote> Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:13:40 AM #111:	like you're seriously gonna sit there and tell me that a bunch of shut-in virgin manchildren are capable of suddenly caring about ethics in...anything? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904818794] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>like you're seriously gonna sit there and tell me that a bunch of shut-in virgin manchildren are capable of suddenly caring about ethics in...anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:14:15 AM #112:	s0nicfan posted... mario2000 posted... reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game. yes that was a thing that happened --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904818819] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant</quote> Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game.</quote> yes that was a thing that happened</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 07/10/18 11:15:25 AM #113:	mario2000 posted... Conflict posted... I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility You proved his point. Are you self-aware? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:904818877] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous</quote> hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility</quote> You proved his point. Are you self-aware?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/10/18 11:17:39 AM #114:	mario2000 posted... s0nicfan posted... mario2000 posted... reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game. yes that was a thing that happened --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904818989] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant</quote> Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game.</quote> yes that was a thing that happened</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostCrisisJ2 07/10/18 11:17:50 AM #115:	At this point, it doesn't really matter what gamergate was about, although honestly it was a mess that could've been easily prevented had someone not decided to go full Streisand Effect. It's pretty much the boogeyman for Current Year that people go to for easy answers. I'll say though that people think that it was responsible for Trump getting voted are solely missing the point. It was only a mere symptom of numerous problems bubbling under the surface. Problems that I want to believe that some are realizing but many more have either taken advantage of or covered up for whatever reason. And sadly I fear that at this rate something drastic is gonna happen before people can understand it, and it may be truly irreversible by then. But that's not really concerning to people who only care about how much money you can profit off of triggering the libs/collecting male tears. --- RIP Stephen Hawking 1942-2018 <cite>PostCrisisJ2 posted [p:904819000] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>At this point, it doesn't really matter what gamergate was about, although honestly it was a mess that could've been easily prevented had someone not decided to go full Streisand Effect. It's pretty much the boogeyman for Current Year that people go to for easy answers. I'll say though that people think that it was responsible for Trump getting voted are solely missing the point. It was only a mere symptom of numerous problems bubbling under the surface. Problems that I want to believe that some are realizing but many more have either taken advantage of or covered up for whatever reason. And sadly I fear that at this rate something drastic is gonna happen before people can understand it, and it may be truly irreversible by then. But that's not really concerning to people who only care about how much money you can profit off of triggering the libs/collecting male tears.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/10/18 11:18:25 AM #116:	before gamergate: this community is hardcore! thin skinned SJWs have no place here! Fuck that PC bullshit! after Gaters get exposed: wahhh! those feminists are being so mean! why do they keep coming after us?! cant they leave our clubhouse alooooone?! Muh ethics in gaming journalism! --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904819031] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>before gamergate: this community is hardcore! thin skinned SJWs have no place here! Fuck that PC bullshit! after Gaters get exposed: wahhh! those feminists are being so mean! why do they keep coming after us?! cant they leave our clubhouse alooooone?! Muh ethics in gaming journalism!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 07/10/18 11:22:40 AM #117:	mario2000 posted... Conflict posted... mario2000 posted... Conflict posted... I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility It's not a harassment campaign tho? Watch the 90-second video I posted. I'm not gonna claim there isn't an element of toxicity in the userbase but it was a response to a journalistic shitshow, not a 'ploy to harass journalists' i was there when it happened i know exactly what it was and what it was about everyone claiming to be "fighting for ethics in games journalism" (which is a laughable statement in of itself) spent most of their time complaining about women and coming up with tactics to harass them it absolutely was a harassment campaign But but --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:904819226] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno it seems like y'all are being completely dismissive of it because right-wingers associate with it and that's royally disingenuous</quote> hm yeah maybe we should give this targeted harassment campaign a bit more credibility</quote> It's not a harassment campaign tho? Watch the 90-second video I posted. I'm not gonna claim there isn't an element of toxicity in the userbase but it was a response to a journalistic shitshow, not a 'ploy to harass journalists'</quote> i was there when it happened i know exactly what it was and what it was about everyone claiming to be "fighting for ethics in games journalism" (which is a laughable statement in of itself) spent most of their time complaining about women and coming up with tactics to harass them it absolutely was a harassment campaign</quote> But but</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 07/10/18 11:23:47 AM #118:	The whole Gamergate fiasco is proof that no one wants to hold Game journalism to the same standards as its sister fields. No basic ethical standards and no professionalism. And of course, if you try to bring up this criticism, they can easily fall back on "you're being misogynistic!" as outsiders won't take any interest in researching it to see both side and will just side with them as gamers have a horrible reputation already. But it comes back to haunt them anyways when people complain enough to pull advertisements from their site, or when a game just doesn't make the sales. MrMallard posted... And I mean s*, you can see the remnants of Gamergate-types in today's world, like "pizzagaters". Good angle to the story, people want to expose child sex crimes, but it stems from some insane theory about Hillary Clinton bankrolling and colluding with a Washington pizza place to house influential and powerful people with sick sexual tastes. All wrapped up in a bow of "Oh, we're trying to accomplish a good thing!" - and inevitably there will be good people buying into it, because they want to stop child sex abuse. They believe in a good cause. I mean, there are articles reporting on child trafficking from Haiti from people connected to Clinton, the pizza place in question has an instagram where the owner is wearing a shirt saying I Love kids in french and there's another photograph on that same channel of a little girl taped to a table with a disgusted look on her face with grown men behind of her. And in that same year (or within 2 years), there was a huge bust of a pedophile ring in some country in Europe that was exclusive to politicians. You're asking for a lot for people to just dismiss that as nothing. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:904819287] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>The whole Gamergate fiasco is proof that no one wants to hold Game journalism to the same standards as its sister fields. No basic ethical standards and no professionalism. And of course, if you try to bring up this criticism, they can easily fall back on "you're being misogynistic!" as outsiders won't take any interest in researching it to see both side and will just side with them as gamers have a horrible reputation already. But it comes back to haunt them anyways when people complain enough to pull advertisements from their site, or when a game just doesn't make the sales. <cite>MrMallard posted...</cite> <quote>And I mean s*, you can see the remnants of Gamergate-types in today's world, like "pizzagaters". Good angle to the story, people want to expose child sex crimes, but it stems from some insane theory about Hillary Clinton bankrolling and colluding with a Washington pizza place to house influential and powerful people with sick sexual tastes. All wrapped up in a bow of "Oh, we're trying to accomplish a good thing!" - and inevitably there will be good people buying into it, because they want to stop child sex abuse. They believe in a good cause.</quote> I mean, there are articles reporting on child trafficking from Haiti from people connected to Clinton, the pizza place in question has an instagram where the owner is wearing a shirt saying I Love kids in french and there's another photograph on that same channel of a little girl taped to a table with a disgusted look on her face with grown men behind of her. And in that same year (or within 2 years), there was a huge bust of a pedophile ring in some country in Europe that was exclusive to politicians. You're asking for a lot for people to just dismiss that as nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:25:57 AM #119:	s0nicfan posted... mario2000 posted... s0nicfan posted... mario2000 posted... reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game. yes that was a thing that happened yes i know, i remember when it happened, not sure why you think you need to prove it to me --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904819395] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>reminder that anita sarkeesian got sent literal death threats for merely announcing her plan to release a series of youtube videos analyzing video games from a feminist perspective this was before anybody knew about her so the fact that said videos turned out to be lazy low-effort snoozefests is irrelevant</quote> Reminder that Brianna Wu literally got caught logging into alternate accounts on Steam to write hateful things on her own game so that she could claim hateful things were being written about her and her game.</quote> yes that was a thing that happened</quote> </quote> yes i know, i remember when it happened, not sure why you think you need to prove it to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 07/10/18 11:26:03 AM #120:	Whoever defends Jessica Price has no self awareness and really needs to evaluate their life. She was 1000% in the wrong. She insulted the guy who commented on her post and went off on a tangent about her being a woman when the guy never even brought up anything about her being a woman. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:904819398] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>Whoever defends Jessica Price has no self awareness and really needs to evaluate their life. She was 1000% in the wrong. She insulted the guy who commented on her post and went off on a tangent about her being a woman when the guy never even brought up anything about her being a woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 07/10/18 11:27:50 AM #121:	Celebrity tows the media line on a movement against the media. Nothing to see here. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:904819506] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>Celebrity tows the media line on a movement against the media. Nothing to see here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 07/10/18 11:33:10 AM #122:	Brianna Wu is ugly. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:904819765] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>Brianna Wu is ugly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/10/18 11:33:33 AM #123:	Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:904819793] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 07/10/18 11:34:55 AM #124:	legendary_zell posted... Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement This is only true on opposite day. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:904819885] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement</quote> This is only true on opposite day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 07/10/18 11:38:07 AM #126:	Monolith1676 posted... Whoever defends Jessica Price has no self awareness and really needs to evaluate their life. She was 1000% in the wrong. She insulted the guy who commented on her post and went off on a tangent about her being a woman when the guy never even brought up anything about her being a woman. lmao yall really believe this. She committed the grave sin of...talking back in a way that rustled some jimmies. I thought gamers weren't supposed to have such thin skin --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904820053] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote>Whoever defends Jessica Price has no self awareness and really needs to evaluate their life. She was 1000% in the wrong. She insulted the guy who commented on her post and went off on a tangent about her being a woman when the guy never even brought up anything about her being a woman.</quote> lmao yall really believe this. She committed the grave sin of...talking back in a way that rustled some jimmies. I thought gamers weren't supposed to have such thin skin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/10/18 11:39:04 AM #127:	Conflict posted... It's evident nobody in this topic really cares to know what the legitimate core of the problem with Gamergate was and they're just going to dismiss it as a misogynistic, "harassment-based" movement because /pol/ clowns happened to side with it. Meh "Why cant they just overlook are general tenor of misogyny and anti social justice mannerisms?" --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904820104] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>It's evident nobody in this topic really cares to know what the legitimate core of the problem with Gamergate was and they're just going to dismiss it as a misogynistic, "harassment-based" movement because /pol/ clowns happened to side with it. Meh</quote> "Why cant they just overlook are general tenor of misogyny and anti social justice mannerisms?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Abyssea 07/10/18 11:40:15 AM #129:	Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game? --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:904820168] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/10/18 11:40:58 AM #130:	legendary_zell posted... Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes. That's only if you completely ignore the list of material improvements GG counted as "victories" in terms of ethics, AND he fact that the society of professional journalists agreed with every point made about the ethical issues brought up. To flip your point around, the poor practices and behavior of a few channers using the GG name was simply something to point to provide cover for the fact that the movement was actually gaining efficacy in calling out bad journalistic practices. http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-biggest-victories-gamergate-achieved-far Even sites like the Guardian, while actively shitting on GG, admit early on that GG was having real, effective and positive impact: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/11/gamergate-a-brief-history-of-a-computer-age-war Kotakus US editor Stephen Totilo wrote that Gamergate has been, if nothing else, a good warning to all of us about the pitfalls of cliquishness in the indie dev scene. While Gamergate had sporadic victories Intel pulled ads from a site called Gamasutra after a letter-writing campaign its main legacy seems to have been to entrench existing divisions. EDIT: And let's not forget that an entire site was created to explicitly catalogue these behaviors http://deepfreeze.it/ --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904820196] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes.</quote> That's only if you completely ignore the list of material improvements GG counted as "victories" in terms of ethics, AND he fact that the society of professional journalists agreed with every point made about the ethical issues brought up. To flip your point around, the poor practices and behavior of a few channers using the GG name was simply something to point to provide cover for the fact that the movement was actually gaining efficacy in calling out bad journalistic practices. http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-biggest-victories-gamergate-achieved-far Even sites like the Guardian, while actively shitting on GG, admit early on that GG was having real, effective and positive impact: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/11/gamergate-a-brief-history-of-a-computer-age-war <quote>Kotakus US editor Stephen Totilo wrote that Gamergate has been, if nothing else, a good warning to all of us about the pitfalls of cliquishness in the indie dev scene. While Gamergate had sporadic victories Intel pulled ads from a site called Gamasutra after a letter-writing campaign its main legacy seems to have been to entrench existing divisions.</quote> EDIT: And let's not forget that an entire site was created to explicitly catalogue these behaviors http://deepfreeze.it/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 07/10/18 11:41:56 AM #132:	Abyssea posted... Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game? it was never actually proven that she slept with multiple men to get good reviews nerds were mostly just mad at her for being a woman and sleeping with guys --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904820250] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game?</quote> it was never actually proven that she slept with multiple men to get good reviews nerds were mostly just mad at her for being a woman and sleeping with guys</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 07/10/18 11:43:38 AM #133:	catboy0_0 posted... #notyourshield The guy who first used that is actually an internet buddy of mine. --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:904820353] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>catboy0_0 posted...</cite> <quote>#notyourshield</quote> The guy who first used that is actually an internet buddy of mine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 07/10/18 11:44:11 AM #134:	mario2000 posted... Abyssea posted... Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game? it was never actually proven that she slept with multiple men to get good reviews nerds were mostly just mad at her for being a woman and sleeping with guys well, where there's smoke.... --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:904820387] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game?</quote> it was never actually proven that she slept with multiple men to get good reviews nerds were mostly just mad at her for being a woman and sleeping with guys</quote> well, where there's smoke....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:46:16 AM #135:	Abyssea posted... mario2000 posted... Abyssea posted... Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game? it was never actually proven that she slept with multiple men to get good reviews nerds were mostly just mad at her for being a woman and sleeping with guys well, where there's smoke.... step back for a minute and reflect on the irony of "fighting for ethics in games journalism" while simultaneously accusing someone of something without proof --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904820515] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't gamergate about some hoe who slept with guys to get good reviews for her shitty indie game?</quote> it was never actually proven that she slept with multiple men to get good reviews nerds were mostly just mad at her for being a woman and sleeping with guys</quote> well, where there's smoke....</quote> step back for a minute and reflect on the irony of "fighting for ethics in games journalism" while simultaneously accusing someone of something without proof</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:48:51 AM #136:	like this is literally the thought process that happened: "this game which i don't like is getting good reviews from other people" "the FEMALE creator seems to enjoy sexual activity, with multiple partners even!!! the WHORE!" "she must have slept with them to get good reviews!" and then the shit hit the shit fan, covering the throwers of the shit in their own shit while they trampled everyone around, getting their shit all over them while claiming it to be something other than that it was -- shit --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904820664] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>like this is literally the thought process that happened: "this game which i don't like is getting good reviews from other people" "the FEMALE creator seems to enjoy sexual activity, with multiple partners even!!! the WHORE!" "she must have slept with them to get good reviews!" and then the shit hit the shit fan, covering the throwers of the shit in their own shit while they trampled everyone around, getting their shit all over them while claiming it to be something other than that it was -- shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 07/10/18 11:52:18 AM #137:	mario2000 posted... step back for a minute and reflect on the irony of "fighting for ethics in games journalism" while simultaneously accusing someone of something without proof You can't really prove something like that to begin with though. It was her testimony versus his, and he had a lot of stuff backing him up. >_> Not to mention it was very suspicious how she had connections with all these men in the industry who ended up reviewing/promoting her game. Some of their wives/girlfriends even came forward to corroborate the dudes story. I believe the guy, personally. Think Zoe was turning tricks for good game reviews. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:904820843] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>step back for a minute and reflect on the irony of "fighting for ethics in games journalism" while simultaneously accusing someone of something without proof</quote> You can't really prove something like that to begin with though. It was her testimony versus his, and he had a lot of stuff backing him up. >_> Not to mention it was very suspicious how she had connections with all these men in the industry who ended up reviewing/promoting her game. Some of their wives/girlfriends even came forward to corroborate the dudes story. I believe the guy, personally. Think Zoe was turning tricks for good game reviews.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 07/10/18 11:53:57 AM #139:	s0nicfan posted... legendary_zell posted... Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes. That's only if you completely ignore the list of material improvements GG counted as "victories" in terms of ethics, AND he fact that the society of professional journalists agreed with every point made about the ethical issues brought up. To flip your point around, the poor practices and behavior of a few channers using the GG name was simply something to point to provide cover for the fact that the movement was actually gaining efficacy in calling out bad journalistic practices. http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-biggest-victories-gamergate-achieved-far Even sites like the Guardian, while actively shitting on GG, admit early on that GG was having real, effective and positive impact: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/11/gamergate-a-brief-history-of-a-computer-age-war Kotakus US editor Stephen Totilo wrote that Gamergate has been, if nothing else, a good warning to all of us about the pitfalls of cliquishness in the indie dev scene. While Gamergate had sporadic victories Intel pulled ads from a site called Gamasutra after a letter-writing campaign its main legacy seems to have been to entrench existing divisions. EDIT: And let's not forget that an entire site was created to explicitly catalogue these behaviors http://deepfreeze.it/ I'm not saying there weren't obvious flaws with gaming journalism. I am saying that's not what drew people to the movement. What excites people about it, what grew it, what keeps it going is anti-SJWism and internet brand social conservatism. And that's its legacy, even if the few who were actually concerned with ethics managed to do some good. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:904820928] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes.</quote> That's only if you completely ignore the list of material improvements GG counted as "victories" in terms of ethics, AND he fact that the society of professional journalists agreed with every point made about the ethical issues brought up. To flip your point around, the poor practices and behavior of a few channers using the GG name was simply something to point to provide cover for the fact that the movement was actually gaining efficacy in calling out bad journalistic practices. http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-biggest-victories-gamergate-achieved-far Even sites like the Guardian, while actively shitting on GG, admit early on that GG was having real, effective and positive impact: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/11/gamergate-a-brief-history-of-a-computer-age-war <quote>Kotakus US editor Stephen Totilo wrote that Gamergate has been, if nothing else, a good warning to all of us about the pitfalls of cliquishness in the indie dev scene. While Gamergate had sporadic victories Intel pulled ads from a site called Gamasutra after a letter-writing campaign its main legacy seems to have been to entrench existing divisions.</quote> EDIT: And let's not forget that an entire site was created to explicitly catalogue these behaviors http://deepfreeze.it/</quote> I'm not saying there weren't obvious flaws with gaming journalism. I am saying that's not what drew people to the movement. What excites people about it, what grew it, what keeps it going is anti-SJWism and internet brand social conservatism. And that's its legacy, even if the few who were actually concerned with ethics managed to do some good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 07/10/18 11:55:44 AM #140:	And honestly, having seen "depression quest" I think something else had to have been going on for it to be getting good reviews. Game is garbage. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:904821022] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>And honestly, having seen "depression quest" I think something else had to have been going on for it to be getting good reviews. Game is garbage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:56:24 AM #141:	Conflict posted... mario2000 posted... like this is literally the thought process that happened: "this game which i don't like is getting good reviews from other people" "the FEMALE creator seems to enjoy sexual activity, with multiple partners even!!! the WHORE!" "she must have slept with them to get good reviews!" and then the shit hit the shit fan, covering the throwers of the shit in their own shit while they trampled everyone around, getting their shit all over them while claiming it to be something other than that it was -- shit No, this isn't actually what happened lmao. None of this happened. People found it suspicious that he slept with Zoe Quinn the night before submitting a positive review. You write off the whole thing as misogynistic when the main target was the male Kotaku writer. You're not even trying to assess the actual facts and what happened, you just figure that because gamers can be misogynistic assholes, some /pol/ clowns sided with GamerGate, and that the whole thing started over a writer giving a female dev good reviews, that it must've been a "harassment campaign" "n-nooo, it didn't happen, nooooo..." covers ears and curls into fetal position --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904821063] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>like this is literally the thought process that happened: "this game which i don't like is getting good reviews from other people" "the FEMALE creator seems to enjoy sexual activity, with multiple partners even!!! the WHORE!" "she must have slept with them to get good reviews!" and then the shit hit the shit fan, covering the throwers of the shit in their own shit while they trampled everyone around, getting their shit all over them while claiming it to be something other than that it was -- shit</quote> No, this isn't actually what happened lmao. None of this happened. People found it suspicious that he slept with Zoe Quinn the night before submitting a positive review. You write off the whole thing as misogynistic when the main target was the male Kotaku writer. You're not even trying to assess the actual facts and what happened, you just figure that because gamers can be misogynistic assholes, some /pol/ clowns sided with GamerGate, and that the whole thing started over a writer giving a female dev good reviews, that it must've been a "harassment campaign"</quote> "n-nooo, it didn't happen, nooooo..." covers ears and curls into fetal position</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 07/10/18 11:58:24 AM #144:	Some People suddenly had a lot of energy for ethics in gaming journalism when they could paint a woman as the face of it....I wonder why It's not like the community didn't have this issue before. Conflicts of interest are very common in this industry, but Zoe Quinn was apparently too much for them to take lol --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904821193] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>Some People suddenly had a lot of energy for ethics in gaming journalism when they could paint a woman as the face of it....I wonder why It's not like the community didn't have this issue before. Conflicts of interest are very common in this industry, but Zoe Quinn was apparently too much for them to take lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 11:58:30 AM #145:	Abyssea posted... And honestly, having seen "depression quest" I think something else had to have been going on for it to be getting good reviews. Game is garbage. believe what you want --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904821197] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>And honestly, having seen "depression quest" I think something else had to have been going on for it to be getting good reviews. Game is garbage.</quote> believe what you want</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/10/18 12:00:05 PM #146:	Depression Quest was certainly....a unique experience. I don't know if I could quantify it as "good", myself. But to harass, dox, and send death threats to someone over it is beyond the pale. Bottom line. There is no defending that. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904821267] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote>Depression Quest was certainly....a unique experience. I don't know if I could quantify it as "good", myself. But to harass, dox, and send death threats to someone over it is beyond the pale. Bottom line. There is no defending that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 07/10/18 12:00:33 PM #148:	Abyssea posted... And honestly, having seen "depression quest" I think something else had to have been going on for it to be getting good reviews. Game is garbage. Having played it, I thought it got across superbly how depression can fester and build up in your life tbh. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:904821305] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>And honestly, having seen "depression quest" I think something else had to have been going on for it to be getting good reviews. Game is garbage.</quote> Having played it, I thought it got across superbly how depression can fester and build up in your life tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 07/10/18 12:02:21 PM #149:	FrisbeeDude posted... mario2000 posted... Tmk posted... St0rmFury posted... Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about. It's about calling out corruption in games journalism. Games journalism instead claims it's about nazism, violence, bigotry, harassment and terrorism. because it was the "corruption in games journalism" was just a weak smokescreen that all intelligent people saw right through pretty much every non neckbeard knew it was just a front to harass women Damn man I have no idea what its like living with such a pessimistic outlook on life. I cant decide if its pessimism or paranoia. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:904821390] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about.</quote> It's about calling out corruption in games journalism. Games journalism instead claims it's about nazism, violence, bigotry, harassment and terrorism.</quote> because it was the "corruption in games journalism" was just a weak smokescreen that all intelligent people saw right through</quote> pretty much every non neckbeard knew it was just a front to harass women</quote> Damn man I have no idea what its like living with such a pessimistic outlook on life. I cant decide if its pessimism or paranoia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 07/10/18 12:04:17 PM #150:	St0rmFury posted... Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about. It's about Zoe Quinn making a shitty game and fucking 5 guys at game news places like Kotaku for positive press about it. This was found out, and instead of those that fucked her fessing up, used their position to change the narrative to sjw bullshit to get the focus away from themselves. --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley https://imgur.com/4GzX1 <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:904821479] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about.</quote> It's about Zoe Quinn making a shitty game and fucking 5 guys at game news places like Kotaku for positive press about it. This was found out, and instead of those that fucked her fessing up, used their position to change the narrative to sjw bullshit to get the focus away from themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/10/18 12:05:14 PM #151:	MrPeppers posted... FrisbeeDude posted... mario2000 posted... Tmk posted... St0rmFury posted... Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about. It's about calling out corruption in games journalism. Games journalism instead claims it's about nazism, violence, bigotry, harassment and terrorism. because it was the "corruption in games journalism" was just a weak smokescreen that all intelligent people saw right through pretty much every non neckbeard knew it was just a front to harass women Damn man I have no idea what its like living with such a pessimistic outlook on life. I cant decide if its pessimism or paranoia. easily provable misogynist campaigns dont occupy space in my brain. --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904821525] in Rian Johns... [t:76793283]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>Tbh, I still have no idea what gamergate is about.</quote> It's about calling out corruption in games journalism. Games journalism instead claims it's about nazism, violence, bigotry, harassment and terrorism.</quote> because it was the "corruption in games journalism" was just a weak smokescreen that all intelligent people saw right through</quote> pretty much every non neckbeard knew it was just a front to harass women</quote> Damn man I have no idea what its like living with such a pessimistic outlook on life. I cant decide if its pessimism or paranoia.</quote> easily provable misogynist campaigns dont occupy space in my brain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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