Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 184: Torn NATO

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7/12/2018
NEW YORK TIMES - Stormy Daniels Arrested at Ohio Strip Club for Touching Undercover Officers

She was charged with three counts of illegal sexually oriented activity, a misdemeanor, the arrest report says. She was released from the Jackson Pike jail in Columbus on Thursday after posting $6,054 cash bail.

The charges stem from an allegation that while performing, she engaged in touching with customers who turned out to be undercover vice officers, Ms. Cliffords lawyer, Michael J. Avenatti, said in a telephone interview. Mr. Avenatti said that Ms. Clifford would plead not guilty.

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Police officers at the club said in an affidavit that while dancing topless, Ms. Clifford pressed patrons faces into her chest and fondled the breasts of some women in the audience. She performed similar acts on three officers, and grabbed one by the buttocks, the affidavit said.

So there are undercover vice officers that came to the club for the purpose of trying to get her to touch them so that they could then arrest her, which is ludicrous, Mr. Avenatti said.

My understanding is that a number of undercover officers were female, which was not unusual to my client because a huge number of women are turning out to see her shows, he said. And a couple of officers asked her to allow them to place their face in between her breasts.

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This was a setup & politically motivated, Mr. Avenatti said on Twitter. It reeks of desperation. We will fight all bogus charges.

In Ohio, it is illegal for an employee who is nude or seminude at a sexually oriented business to be touched by a patron or to touch a patron, with the exception of an immediate family member. Depending on what body part is touched, the charge can be a first- or fourth-degree misdemeanor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/us/stormy-daniels-arrested-strip-club-columbus.html

Sounds like vice cops successfully baited Stormy into some inappropriate touching while working.
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Charges have already been completely dismissed.

But the message seems to be clear.
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https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1017522739802968065
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So much for the tolerant left
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direct action
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Just watched a video of antifa people being arrested. About 90% of the words out of their mouths were expletives at the cops arresting them. The rest was mainly threats and personal insults to the police who were being quite reasonable.

I wonder how many GOP victories it will take before these people learn.
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Okay, that's it. It's too obvious now. This reality is just a simulation and the test is to see how far we can be pushed before the facade cracks. Let us out now.

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1017543043296219136

And since none of us should be deprived of this if you don't want to follow the link:

Scene: A United States Congressional Hearing

"I'm a dentist, okay. So I read body language very, very well."
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red sox 777 posted...

I wonder how many GOP victories it will take before these people learn.

Yet another version of This is why Trump won lmao
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I wonder how many GOP victories it will take before these people learn.

Yet another version of This is why Trump won lmao

Top 10 reasons why Trump won:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Liberals being mean to others
3. Liberal activists
4. Incompetent Democratic strategists
5. Donald Trump
6. Vladimir Putin
7. Barack Obama
8. The DNC
9. 16 other Republicans running
10. Twitter
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1. People are fucking idiots
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#1 no doubt goes to the Republican party and their successful lobotomization of the American people over the turn of the millennium.
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Trump is visiting the UK and has, in less than a day:

-Said Theresa May is doing a bad job.
-Said he told her how to do brexit properly.
-Said Boris Johnson should replace her.
-Implied the EU should break up.
-Implied the UK should break up.
-Blamed Sadiq Khan for terror attacks, despite the fact that Trump funded the deadliest terror group in the UK's history.
-Justified this by saying Khan has allowed too much immigration, which he has no control over.
-Complained that for some mysterious reason, the people don't make him feel welcome.

I can't believe he was invited. What did May think would happen?
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Theresa May is incompetent and keeps trying for whatever reason to please everyone at once. I mean, it's not just her - not sure what the Tory party was thinking, putting a remainer in charge of Brexit. It would be as if the US put Hillary Clinton in charge of ending NAFTA.

It's obviously in the best interest of the US for the EU to break up - it's not in our competitive interest to have a competitor unified trading bloc that is just as big economically as the US.
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Yeah how is there so much anti-left sentiment when right-wing presidents have a much worse track record when it comes to courting controversy?
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red sox 777 posted...

Theresa May is incompetent and keeps trying for whatever reason to please everyone at once. I mean, it's not just her - not sure what the Tory party was thinking, putting a remainer in charge of Brexit. It would be as if the US put Hillary Clinton in charge of ending NAFTA.

It's obviously in the best interest of the US for the EU to break up - it's not in our competitive interest to have a competitor unified trading bloc that is just as big economically as the US.

I hate this "why is a remainer in charge of brexit?" line. The idea is to get something that works for the country, not for half of it. Whether the PM was leave or remain is not really important. And a leaver would bump into the exact same problems May has. Besides, she made leave supporters brexit secretary and foreign secretary and they both failed. Almost as if the problem is brexit itself.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

1. People are fucking idiots

way to go, this post just gave Trump four more years
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"cut off from EU or cut off from the US" is such an immensely losing proposition for the US

The US keeps pulling themselves from the table forcing other nations to create even closer ties to the competitors they're supposedly worried about

It's amazing. Even just here only within Canada he's actually he actually managed to unite every party behind Trudeau which is honestly mindblowing with all the shit flinging that comes flying across from all 3 major parties in parliament like the elbowgate shitshow.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

1. People are fucking idiots

way to go, this post just gave Trump four more years

1. Me
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GuessMyUserName posted...

It's amazing. Even just here only within Canada he's actually he actually managed to unite every party behind Trudeau which is honestly mindblowing with all the shit flinging that comes flying across from all 3 major parties in parliament like the elbowgate shitshow.

I'm a good Albertan who loathes Trudeau and I'll still vote for him unless the Conservatives show signs that they'll resist Trump too. This has actually managed to become my number one issue next election.
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Red Sox is fucking stupid.

That is all.
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Eddv posted...

Red Sox is fucking stupid.

That is all.

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Robazoid posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

It's amazing. Even just here only within Canada he's actually he actually managed to unite every party behind Trudeau which is honestly mindblowing with all the shit flinging that comes flying across from all 3 major parties in parliament like the elbowgate shitshow.

I'm a good Albertan who loathes Trudeau and I'll still vote for him unless the Conservatives show signs that they'll resist Trump too. This has actually managed to become my number one issue next election.

what I mean by "unite behind Trudeau" I mean even people who hate him (which comes from the left & the right) still have his back when it comes to US/Trump wars. The pre-Trump norm was basically a cafeteria food fight from hell

the Trump Factor is strong!
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red sox 777 posted...

Just watched a video of antifa people being arrested. About 90% of the words out of their mouths were expletives at the cops arresting them. The rest was mainly threats and personal insults to the police who were being quite reasonable.

I wonder how many GOP victories it will take before these people learn.

an infinite amount, because antifa doesn't care whether the republicans or the democrats are in power. they hate both parties.
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red sox 777 posted...

Top 10 reasons why Trump won:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Liberals being mean to others
3. Liberal activists
4. Incompetent Democratic strategists
5. Donald Trump
6. Vladimir Putin
7. Barack Obama
8. The DNC
9. 16 other Republicans running
10. Twitter

donald trump (or rather, donald trump's ideas) should be #1.

i like how you put "liberals being mean" so high, though. thanks for confirming that trump supporters are the most special of snowflakes.
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also, sexism isn't even on the list? lol
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Peace___Frog posted...

Eddv posted...

Red Sox is fucking stupid.

That is all.

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Sadly, Red Sox isn't even entirely wrong. The past two years have confirmed that Republican voters just care about the mean ol' Democrats being mean and nasty to them, but don't expect any retaliation for the way THEY act towards Democrats. Unfortunately, Dems are more mature and vote for reasons other than "fuck those guys", which is the whole reason we're in this mess.
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It's obviously in the best interest of the US for the EU to break up - it's not in our competitive interest to have a competitor unified trading bloc that is just as big economically as the US.

This is the sentence I was reacting to.

The rest is pretty standard rightwing fuckboy talk that I expect from him but this is especially stupid.
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I also forgot to mention that he said that Ireland was a part of the UK - not Northern Ireland mind, he mentioned his property (of course) that is in the Republic.

It's like he has a list of unhelpful and disruptive things to say.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lC3FCWrgCA" data-time="

This press conference is surreal. But my absolute favourite part is Trump saying that nobody thought about terrorism in the UK 20 years ago.

https://imgur.com/o5LBSIc

Edit "THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SPECIAL"
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to be entirely fair, i will add to my previous posts that i don't think people who get accused by liberals of being nazis because they're anti-abortion or pro-gun are "special snowflakes." like i've stated before, i've experienced very little of this actually happening. but i've had both leftists and rightists tell me that's something that does happen somewhat frequently among the left on twitter and forums. that's wrong, and the people who get called nazis in those instances have a right to be offended.

HOWEVER, that does not make it ok to vote for fucking trump. destroying your country just to spite people who offended you is incredibly dumb and petty.
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Inviso posted...

Sadly, Red Sox isn't even entirely wrong. The past two years have confirmed that Republican voters just care about the mean ol' Democrats being mean and nasty to them, but don't expect any retaliation for the way THEY act towards Democrats. Unfortunately, Dems are more mature and vote for reasons other than "fuck those guys", which is the whole reason we're in this mess.

I'm not saying he is wrong, but the issue with Red Sox insincere pearl clutching is that people like him will always find something to be triggered or outraged by. Antifa, new black panther party, immigrants, people that don't look like them, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter. It is very easy for a small insignificant group like antifa to be built up into some big boogy man because being afraid is what they want.

We could get rid of antifa tomorrow and some other idiotic group of like ten people could pop up wanting to ban Christmas and Red Sox would use that as justification to vote for the stack of children in a trench coat running for president.
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Whoever our next president is will need to go on a literal apology tour.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Whoever our next president is will need to go on a literal apology tour.

Honestly though
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Suprak the Stud posted...

I'm not saying he isn't wrong, but the issue with Red Sox insincere pearl clutching is that people like him will always find something to be triggered or outraged by.

This was the reason I got so pissed off when Jakyl called moderate liberals pearl clutchers.

I dont do this shit - this is a right wing tactic used to shield their shit.
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Guys you know many Republicans are real people with real reasons for voting in the way they do, right?

This kind of talk isn't any different to me than the kind of dialogue trying to turn all liberals into Antifa boogeymen which you are calling out Red Sox for.
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pyresword posted...

Guys you know many Republicans are real people with real reasons for voting in the way they do, right?

This kind of talk isn't any different to me than the kind of dialogue trying to turn all liberals into Antifa boogeymen which you are calling out Red Sox for.

Sure and let them actually come out and say those reasons instead of this bullshit "my feelings were hurt" line redsox likes to peddle.

SephG comes out and admits its rational self interest because he has a large income. I accept that even if I think some of the things he is willing to accept at the altar of a better marginal tax rate are downright abhorrent.
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pyresword posted...

Guys you know many Republicans are real people with real reasons for voting in the way they do, right?

This kind of talk isn't any different to me than the kind of dialogue trying to turn all liberals into Antifa boogeymen which you are calling out Red Sox for.

Yeah, duh.

"People like him" isn't all Republicans, nor did I say it was. There are plenty of republicans that don't act like this. Go ahead and point out in my post where I said otherwise so I can correct it while I can still edit, because that isn't what I meant. Thanks so much!
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Suprak the Stud posted...

pyresword posted...

Guys you know many Republicans are real people with real reasons for voting in the way they do, right?

This kind of talk isn't any different to me than the kind of dialogue trying to turn all liberals into Antifa boogeymen which you are calling out Red Sox for.

Yeah, duh.

"People like him" isn't all Republicans, nor did I say it was. There are plenty of republicans that don't act like this. Go ahead and point out in my post where I said otherwise so I can correct it while I can still edit, because that isn't what I meant. Thanks so much!

Your post isn't the main post I was responding to, to be fair. (Which was Lasa's and Inviso's)

I do think it's very easy to misinterpret what "people like him" is referring to exactly though. Basically my stance is to just avoid making statements that are dismissive as much as possible, and especially ones that are vague about who they're being dismissive of.
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ALSO my post doesnt even preclude Red Sox from having good reasons to vote Republican. Although I dont think he even voted for Trump IIRC.

My criticism is with how disingenuous this reasoning is for why Trump won. It is extremely common for never Trumpers and you hear Ben Shapiro in particular espouse it many times. Trump isnt Republicans fault! No sir, it had nothing to do with the toxicity of talk radio, years of fear mongering, embracing the tea party and killing off many moderates, hysteria amongst voters, latent racism or sexism within a small but sizable contingent of their voters etc etc etc.

No, it was because of Democrats! It was because of these forty moronic teenagers and their guy fawkes mask. It was this one woman in some no name school at Portland that said white people are dumb. It was this random bakery in San Francisco that sells cakes with penises on them.

It is a way of passing off their worst mistake onto the people who didnt even vote for him. Obviously republicans have good reasons for voting republicans. Democrats hurt my feelings and I need some warm milk is not one of them, and it deserves to be called out.
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pyresword posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

pyresword posted...

Guys you know many Republicans are real people with real reasons for voting in the way they do, right?

This kind of talk isn't any different to me than the kind of dialogue trying to turn all liberals into Antifa boogeymen which you are calling out Red Sox for.

Yeah, duh.

"People like him" isn't all Republicans, nor did I say it was. There are plenty of republicans that don't act like this. Go ahead and point out in my post where I said otherwise so I can correct it while I can still edit, because that isn't what I meant. Thanks so much!

Your post isn't the main post I was responding to, to be fair. (Which was Lasa's)

I do think it's very easy to misinterpret what "people like him" is referring to exactly though. Basically my stance is to just avoid making statements that are dismissive as much as possible, and especially ones that are vague about who they're being dismissive of.

Fair enough!

But, again, at least what I was saying wasnt that. It was this specific reason is bs and you should stop falling back on it as a crutch for Trumps bad behavior.
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Ironically I'm now realizing my post is itself guilty of what I was trying to criticize others in this topic for, so my apologies.

This is an interesting case study to me.
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pyresword posted...

Ironically I'm now realizing my post is itself guilty of what I was trying to criticize others in this topic for, so my apologies.

This is an interesting case study to me.

I was going to actually post that but it sounded incredibly douchy and holier than thou of me when I was reading it back so I just deleted it because that wasnt my intent >_>
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pyresword posted...

Your post isn't the main post I was responding to, to be fair. (Which was Lasa's and Inviso's)

what was wrong with my posts? when did i say republicans have no real reasons to vote the way they vote?
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Suprak the Stud posted...

ALSO my post doesnt even preclude Red Sox from having good reasons to vote Republican. Although I dont think he even voted for Trump IIRC.

he wrote in bernie
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Specifically this is what bothered me:

destroying your country just to spite people who offended you is incredibly dumb and petty.

It's not an incorrect statement, but the implication to me is that it's suggesting that all or a large fraction of people who felt offended by Liberals voted Trump in large part due to this reason.

I admit this is somewhat of a touchy subject for me due to various reasons, so if other people think it's fine and that I'm just trying too hard to read between the lines then I'll back down. Even in that instance though I will point out I'm not the only one out there for whom this is touchy subject and who might leap to that conclusion.
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I stand by my post. The active Republican platform has become increasingly hostile to liberals as a collective without offering anything to Republicans other than "hey, fuck those guys, am I right?" You can say liberals talk shit about Republicans, and yeah, we do, but liberals don't really have an entire platform based on actively fucking over the opposition (trying to exterminate gay marriage, take away abortion rights, create a tax plan that disproportionately harms blue states).
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No kidding. How many of Trump's tweets nowadays amount to "Hey this bad thing I probably did is all the Democrat's fault, amIrite? Lieberal demoncrap snowflake lol!"
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Inviso posted...

create a tax plan that disproportionately harms blue states).

This part in particular is way beyond the pale.

This shit is supposed to be checked at the waters edge.
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pyresword posted...

It's not an incorrect statement, but the implication to me is that it's suggesting that all or a large fraction of people who felt offended by Liberals voted Trump in large part due to this reason.

that's not what i was saying. i was talking about the people who voted for trump because liberals were calling them nazis for no good reason and said THEY were being dumb. i wasn't attacking the people who got offended because liberals were calling them nazis and voted for trump for unrelated reasons.

i also didn't say a "large fraction" of the offended people voted for trump because they were offended but... this could be the case. i haven't seen any statistics on this. have you?
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