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BADoglick 07/23/18 2:08:59 PM #51: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
zebatov posted...PK_Spam posted...If he keeps even 20% of that money to himself and his family, hes a piece of shit. Person makes themselves a bunch of money. You decide that they have too much, and that the government should forcibly seize a large portion of his income. But taxation isn't theft. --- BADoglick to the Max! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/23/18 2:10:28 PM #52: |
I foresee a lot of people not willing to work if they know Jeff Bezos' money is going to be redistributed to them
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Questionmarktarius 07/23/18 2:10:51 PM #53: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
This also solves another issue, unemployment. If you can only earn 500k, why not work less hours to reach it? Have 1m jobs split in to two half hour jobs. Not an awful situation, but the inevitability is governments expecting unrealistic returns on a maximum-wage tax, deficit spending in the meantime, and then complete goddamn panic when the market reacts exactly as the pessimistic realists expected. OhhhJa posted... I foresee a lot of people not willing to work if they know Jeff Bezos' money is going to be redistributed to them And this is the inherent flaw of redistribution schemes. They punish success and reward failure. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/23/18 2:13:57 PM #54: |
BADoglick posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...zebatov posted...PK_Spam posted...If he keeps even 20% of that money to himself and his family, hes a piece of shit. I would taxation isnt necessarily theft when it's used reasonably on things the public needs. When it's taken and given to other people because you have more than they do... that's when it becomes theft ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 07/23/18 2:19:35 PM #55: |
BADoglick posted...
Person makes themselves a bunch of money. You decide that they have too much, and that the government should forcibly seize a large portion of his income. But taxation isn't theft. The more money you have, the more money you are capable of making. Those who have more don't have to put in as much effort to get as far as anybody else. Those beyond a certain threshold don't value cash as much thus happiness/income coefficient grows more inefficient with the rich. The less fair a society becomes, the more restless the people become. Redistributing more income from the rich takes cash from those who value it the least, hands it to the people who need it the most and minimises risk of public discourse. Regardless of how you view it, the practice is efficient for maintaining social order and stopping the poor just robbing and killing the rich outright. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 07/23/18 2:26:11 PM #56: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Not an awful situation, but the inevitability is governments expecting unrealistic returns on a maximum-wage tax, deficit spending in the meantime, and then complete goddamn panic when the market reacts exactly as the pessimistic realists expected. This is an issue with all government moves, particularly since the politicians are part of the group these policies effect. Questionmarktarius posted... And this is the inherent flaw of redistribution schemes. They punish success and reward failure. Wealth in itself punishes the poor and rewards the rich by its nature, as long as redistribution doesn't overstep it's fine. My personal view is that since weath follows a pareto distribution, I think taxes should be used to flatten the curve and make it a clean straight line up so fairness is perceived and earning more is always beneficial. I don't like tax brackets, I'd want to see a tax equation to avoid steps. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KaptainKiro 07/23/18 3:43:11 PM #57: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
as long as redistribution doesn't overstep it's fine. good thing that you are here to decide how much of someone elses money is fair to take lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 07/23/18 3:45:00 PM #58: |
KaptainKiro posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...as long as redistribution doesn't overstep it's fine. Why do you think its fair for someone to take $150 billion that could be used to improve every single Amazon workers lives (and many many lives in general)? Why does it only work one way? --- Don't give up, skeleton! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KaptainKiro 07/23/18 3:49:58 PM #59: |
Nightengale posted...
Why do you think its fair for someone to take $150 billion that could be used to improve every single Amazon workers lives? Why does it only work one way? it's his company and they agreed to their compensation beforehand. not to mention literal monkeys could be trained to do the jobs of amazon warehouse ppl. it's on the workers to improve their own lives, not bezos. stealing wealth encourages stagnation and hiding of resources. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/23/18 4:03:04 PM #60: |
KaptainKiro posted...
Nightengale posted...Why do you think its fair for someone to take $150 billion that could be used to improve every single Amazon workers lives? Why does it only work one way? Also it's not a tangible $150 billion. Becoming so would require liquidating Amazon itself, which would leave the warehouse workers out of a job anyway. We're right back to the moneybin fallacy again. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSMajinVegeta2 07/23/18 4:06:28 PM #61: |
Or enough money for me to live off my current salary which gives me a newer car and a small 4 bedroom house for 3,000,000 years LOL
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Kyuubi4269 07/23/18 4:22:24 PM #62: |
KaptainKiro posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...as long as redistribution doesn't overstep it's fine. It can be decided objectively. KaptainKiro posted... stealing wealth encourages stagnation and hiding of resources. That explains all billionaires, it's also why wealth is better off in more hands. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smarkil 07/23/18 4:25:57 PM #63: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Yeah I really don't understand why people seem to think these rich guys just have $150 billion sitting in their safe at home. --- I promise that if the game stinks I will make a topic about how I hate it and you can all laugh at me - Mead on Fallout 76 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 07/23/18 4:39:46 PM #64: |
KaptainKiro posted...
not to mention literal monkeys could be trained to do the jobs of amazon warehouse ppl. Okay you're not someone who can be debated with clearly. --- Don't give up, skeleton! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 07/23/18 8:21:24 PM #65: |
zebatov posted...
There needs to be a cap on money you can possess. ![]() And, again, this is his NET worth, not the actual money he has. And capping net worth is a terrible idea -- especially since it involves stock evaluations on companies owned -- and, if you tried to cap money, they'd just toss it into holdings. Nightengale posted... People saying "just earn your own money" don't seem to realize that you don't earn that much money without taking it from others. Not actually true, but socialism requires ignoring facts. Nightengale posted... Look up the many reports on working conditions in Amazon warehouses to see how ol' Jeffy did it... If working conditions automatically made companies rich, developing nations would be far richer than developed ones >_> A lot of the complaints regarding working conditions aren't really things that make money and the US has plenty of labor laws limiting egregious offenses. Back in the day, you had companies with far, far, far worse working conditions that routinely got workers killed -- including places that locked workers in and, in the case of a fire, pretty everybody died -- yet those didn't make much money in the first place. adjl posted... So don't give people the choice. If all money has to go through a central tracking system in order to change hands, it'd become virtually impossible to hide income (especially if cash disappears, though that carries with it plenty of other issues). Certainly, one could avoid ever reaching the cap by just spending the money instead of depositing it, but that's still preferable because spending money still redistributes it (just to people the earner chooses instead of the government) and avoids extreme concentration of wealth. tbh, this is why socialism and statism basically walk hand in hand >_> --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 07/23/18 8:27:14 PM #66: |
Nightengale posted...
KaptainKiro posted...Kyuubi4269 posted...as long as redistribution doesn't overstep it's fine. Again, he doesn't have $150b. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. That's his NET WORTH which includes, among other things, ownership of companies (so he'd have to sell those companies to get the money --- and some would be difficult to sell; iirc, WaPo was on the ropes for years before Bezos bought it and I can't recall offhand whether it's all that profitable now) and, of course, shares of Amazon where if he tried to dump them the value would plunge overnight. Nightengale posted... KaptainKiro posted...not to mention literal monkeys could be trained to do the jobs of amazon warehouse ppl. Says the person who keeps conflating liquid assets with stock shares, ownership of companies, etc. Honestly, between the two of you, his point is arguably more valid *because* they could -- and likely will -- reduce labor costs through alternatives (although it's going to likely be drones rather than monkeys; not that you couldn't necessarily train monkeys to do the job, it's just not as efficient in even a best-case scenario) --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pionear 07/26/18 11:32:56 AM #67: |
Smarkil posted...
Questionmarktarius posted... This...just because someone is 'worth' $xxxxx amount of dollars, doesn't mean they just have it laying around in actual 'dollar bills (whatever denomination)'...he probably only have about 0.5-1% of that (maybe around 300mill) of that in actual money. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IAmNowGone 07/26/18 1:36:09 PM #68: |
I sent him a letter hope he resoonds
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DrYuya 07/26/18 1:53:35 PM #69: |
Some people here seems like they're totally okay with just stealing what he has since he has so much and they have shit.
Hope they will continue to be okay with it later on,when they've stolen so much and now realize they have made themselves equal to him. I hope they'll be cool then with me taking some of that stolen wealth off of thier persons for myself. Why not right? Let's all be equals here for no reason beyond what we feel on an emotional level. --- It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of ass but still have plenty of bubblegum to chew at my leisure. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krazy_Kirby 07/26/18 2:20:53 PM #70: |
how about they take some of that money and get some fans for their building. 80-90 degrees at night inside the building.
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OhhhJa 07/26/18 8:58:16 PM #71: |
DrYuya posted...
Some people here seems like they're totally okay with just stealing what he has since he has so much and they have s***. This defines nearly every marxist. Its poor people that want to blame their lack of success on other people despite there being plenty of opportunity in America. If there wasn't opportunity for success here then why would so many folks from other countries flock here? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Noop_Noop 07/26/18 9:02:33 PM #72: |
He will be the world's first trillionaire
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Zeus 07/29/18 4:17:46 AM #73: |
Noop_Noop posted...
He will be the world's first trillionaire Probably not, he has a long way to go. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garlands_Soul 07/29/18 4:24:56 AM #74: |
Like 300 billion more and he'll beat out Mansa Musa's estimated net worth.
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Rasmoh 07/29/18 4:56:49 AM #75: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
It can be decided objectively. How do you plan to "objectively" decide how much money that belongs to someone else should get taken from them? That explains all billionaires, it's also why wealth is better off in more hands. Billionaires are to blame for many people being poor, but their actual money has little to do with that. Nightengale posted... Okay you're not someone who can be debated with clearly. He's not wrong though, working in a warehouse is something that pretty much anyone is capable of doing. --- Miami Dolphins | Portland Trailblazers | San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Person106 07/30/18 9:49:52 AM #76: |
Zeus posted...
PK_Spam posted...Who even needs that much cash? With your divine powers? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BUMPED2002 07/30/18 9:52:51 AM #77: |
InfestedAdam posted...
All from selling books out of his garage. Kinda interesting how some folks started off. Well that's half true. He did start with selling books but when your company grows that big you need outside help otherwise it doesn't happen. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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