Current Events > Gen 5 is the best Pokemon gen and anyone disagreeing is literally wrong>_>

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most fun pokemon game i've played was that blaze black 2 fangame. man i wish pokemon had stayed 2d instead of going all weeby with their design.
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MJOLNRVII posted...

BW were good games, but I'll always remember being stuck with just shitty 5th gen Pokemon until you beat the main game. I'm hoping Gen 8 has a not awful Pokedex like XY(like 450 Pokemon iirc).

XY had the best Pokedex though. I want my Pokemon game to have as many options as possible. Gen 6 had us going from the wonderful variety in Kalos to the utter garbage of Wingull and Zigzagoon on every route that came with ORAS. The variety in future games should be more like XY.
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Le__seul_dieu__ posted...

most fun pokemon game i've played was that blaze black 2 fangame. man i wish pokemon had stayed 2d instead of going all weeby with their design.

The Let's Go! designs look weird with their eyes and shit.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

XY had the best Pokedex though. I want my Pokemon game to have as many options as possible.

I probably should've worded that better. I meant that the XY pokedex isn't awful like BW's, and that I would like Gen 8 to be as good as XY's. On an unrelated note it is a god damn tragedy that Zygarde didn't get his own game.
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My only major beef with gen 5 is I hate the starters.
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MJOLNRVII posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

XY had the best Pokedex though. I want my Pokemon game to have as many options as possible.

I probably should've worded that better. I meant that the XY pokedex isn't awful like BW's, and that I would like Gen 8 to be as good as XY's. On an unrelated note it is a god damn tragedy that Zygarde didn't get his own game.

Oh I misread. I'm okay with what Black and White did though. It's fine to limit the Pokedex in a situation like that where you have a ton of new Pokemon. But I can see why people wouldn't like it. Plus B2W2 ended up having a good variety anyway.
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Dawn's mommy is the best milf
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Turbam posted...

Dawn's mommy is the best milf

nah, Black 1 MILF > Delia > SuMo MILF > rest
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NeonOctopus posted...

Rosa > Hilda btw

Rosa is probably GOAT Pokegirl tbh.
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MhkaCHemistry posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Rosa > Hilda btw

Rosa is probably GOAT Pokegirl tbh.

I'd say Serena is the best playable Pokegirl, but Rosa is second probably.
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MhkaCHemistry posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Rosa > Hilda btw

Rosa is probably GOAT Pokegirl tbh.

She has it all. A fun hair style. Boobs. Plenty of cute outfits from the movie sidequest. Badass in the anime trailer.
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NeonOctopus posted...

Rosa > Hilda btw

nvm shit taste confirmed

Boobs > Ass, duh.
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So here are the problems with Gen V. I'm going to break it down into separate sections because there are a lot of problems.

The Game Engine
- It doesn't really make any meaningful evolutions over Gen IV, which makes this feel like an expansion pack to IV, rather than a separate new game.
- It has the same problems mechanically that all the previous games had.
- The time it takes to save a game is far too long.
- The zoomed-in pixel art looks godawful

The Pokemon
- Many are shameless rip-offs of previously-made pokemon, which means that they end up being s***tier versions of the original, or completely usurping the original by being far better. Neither result brings about a meaningful addition to the Pokedex
- In Gen V, all the starters are s*** and bring no new ideas or concepts to the table. Emboar is just a poor man's Blaziken. Serperior is not only outclassed by every other grass starter (until Gen VI) it was completely outclassed by multiple grass-types in the Unova dex too. We have dozens of mono water Pokemon already and Samurott does nothing to stand out from any of them.
- Any good Pokemon designs in Gen V were at the end of the region, rather than at the start, so you're wading through s*** like pidgey clones and copypaste monkeys and the like to get to the more interesting designs
- A bunch of Pokemon had absurd caps for evolution for no real reason, which made evolving them a chore, especially for the main game.
- There's a distinct lack of variety of Pokemon on offer in each route, especially compared to later games like XY and SM.
- Hidden Grottoes are awful and locking rare Pokemon to them was more awful still.
- Still the only entries with pay-to-win thanks to Dream Radar

The Story
- Tries to present serious questions about the Pokemon world but the people presenting them are outright villains and are shown torturing Pokemon in the first twenty minutes of the game. Gen VII does the same thing far better with Lillie. Enough said.
- The region, especially in the first game, feels like a circular hallway instead of an interconnected region so you can progress through the awful story in the exact correct manner

Online
- This game is now long obsolete so any online functions are now inaccessible, which makes it objectively worse than any Pokemon game with online access.
- A whole bunch of features were online for no reason. No-one can possibly justify why berries needed to be online in Gen V when every other gen has managed to have them offline just fine, for example.
- Dream World was terrible in every way except the rewards on offer (which sums up a lot of GameFreak's efforts).
- Levelling up the mall was the sort of pointless monotonous grind that should not have been stolen from mobile gaming

Post-Game
- PWT and Subway are, in every way, worse versions of Maison and Battle Tree.
- Hard mode in B2W2 actually makes the game easier (I appreciate how that's funny though) and is extremely difficult to unlock in any case.
- The Transferring Pokemon minigame is utter horses*** and should have been an optional minigame, not mandatory.

tl;dr - Gen V was freaking awful.
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You do make some good points I'll admit >_>

-Dream World was super dumb and making it the only way to grow berries was even dumber. Would fuck Fennel tho (btw, she probably lezzed out with Juniper since they were college roommates >___>)
-Black 2 only having a year of online before Nintendo had to shut down the DS servers since GameSpy went under was really dumb too.
-I do get what you mean since they had only new pokemon, some of them were just replicas of older pokes (like Condeldorr literally being Machamp or Gigalith literally being Golem, etc.). But I still liked some of them >_>
-Battle Subway is literally battle tower which is literally battle maison which is literally battle tree. I don't get why you're saying they're worse. PWT is its own fun thing separate from them anyway.
-Yeah, a 3rd Fire/Fighting starter in a row was really moronic. Why did they do that? He's probably the worst out of the 3 too. The other starters are fine imo. Contrary Serperior is really fun to use.

I still love the game despite these flaws.

tl;dr - Gen V rocks my cock
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NeonOctopus posted...

-Battle Subway is literally battle tower which is literally battle maison which is literally battle tree. I don't get why you're saying they're worse. PWT is its own fun thing separate from them anyway.

Because Gen 7 Battle Tree allows you to use the most up-to-date mechanics, as well as the most items, most Pokemon, largest and most varied movepools, abilities, and so forth, not to mention that the rewards are more plentiful than previous gens (I'm pretty sure more than seven times as much). Subway is completely obsolete.

And PWT is Battle Tree but with a few monotype trainers to battle, actually rather boring.

NeonOctopus posted...

Contrary Serperior is really fun to use.

Contrary Serperior didn't exist and wasn't playable until Gen VII. You might as well say that Red/Blue was good because you love Mega Venusaur.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

Pokmon died with gen 2.

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The visuals and map layout were poopy, original b/w was a literal circle with a small route coming off of it, with half the region inaccessible until the post game which didn't really make all that much sense. Then the map was better in bw2 but it was still a circle with lines drawn over it so I was still unimpressed.
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I for one like the linear layout of the Unova map. I didnt need to be flying back and forth.
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I'll give you the online stuff. I didn't like any of that.

Pokmon designs come down to the individual. I personally loved the majority of the Gen 5 Pokmon.

And The PWT is my favorite man. I loved the PWT way more than any of the battle places.

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

LinksLiege posted...

Juniper might be a milf but what gen doesn't have at least one milfy character?

Gen 2 maybe?

Could Clair count?

I was gonna say Clair too. Some art makes her look mature.
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How come when any other gen has a new basic dog or bird Pokemon or something it's fine but when Gen V has one it's a shameless ripoff lmao.
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MyBroTierno posted...

- Many are shameless rip-offs of previously-made pokemon, which means that they end up being s***tier versions of the original, or completely usurping the original by being far better. Neither result brings about a meaningful addition to the Pokedex

- Any good Pokemon designs in Gen V were at the end of the region, rather than at the start, so you're wading through s*** like pidgey clones and copypaste monkeys and the like to get to the more interesting designs

All of the good Pokemon designs aren't stuck at the end of the game. The good Pokemon start showing up in the early-mid game. Yeah for the most part the very early game Pokemon suck, and the starters aren't great. But early game also has the Lillipup line, which is easily one of the best in the entire series. So that makes up for it.

As for your first point, do you have any examples? I can't think think of anything that is a shameless rip-off of older Pokemon.
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How does it stack up to HGSS?

Like ingame competitive wise for battle subway and PWT compared to battle frontier?

Is it still impossible to build a decent team ingame without AR or spending 150 hours breeding and looking for heart scales?

Is it still just a wtf feeling like youre trying to build a good team and earthquake is 100bp, a necessary move and thats your reward for winning enough bp against opponents your were building your team to slaughter?
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i agree, i play it with my wife's son all the time
can't wait for let's go! pikachu

I can't disagree with you Neon ;~;
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

As for your first point, do you have any examples? I can't think think of anything that is a shameless rip-off of older Pokemon.

Emboar is a cheap-ass version of Blaziken and Infernape.
Watchog is another early-game two-stage normal-type with absolutely no thought put into it like the first three gens.
Unfezant is just another three-stage early-game normal/flying type that we'd had four times already.
Gigalith is a shameless ripoff of Golem, including its evolution mechanic.
Conkeldurr is a shameless ripoff of Machamp, including its evolution mechanic.
Throh and Sawk are lazy reworks of Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee.

Do I need to go on?
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Nobody better be talkin shit about my boi Conkeldurr.
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Sawk is awesome tho
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MyBroTierno posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

As for your first point, do you have any examples? I can't think think of anything that is a shameless rip-off of older Pokemon.

Emboar is a cheap-ass version of Blaziken and Infernape.
Watchog is another early-game two-stage normal-type with absolutely no thought put into it like the first three gens.
Unfezant is just another three-stage early-game normal/flying type that we'd had four times already.
Gigalith is a shameless ripoff of Golem, including its evolution mechanic.
Conkeldurr is a shameless ripoff of Machamp, including its evolution mechanic.
Throh and Sawk are lazy reworks of Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee.

Do I need to go on?

Imagine not liking Gigalith. Good to know you have bad opinions.

I don't think any of those are shameless rip-offs. Emboar shouldn't have been a Fire/Fighting type. Everyone knows that. But otherwise, I think it's decent. Personally, I like it more than Blaziken and Infernape. And you can't single out Gen 5 for the Watchog and Unfezant lines because every generation has an early Normal type rodent line and a three stage Bird Pokemon line. As for the final three, they're all likely inspired by those Gen 1 lines. But inspired by =/= a rip-off. Gigalith is clearly fucking different than Golem.
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wow instantly wrong with the first bulletpoint

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Imagine not liking Gigalith. Good to know you have bad opinions.

I didn't say I didn't like it, I said it was a shameless ripoff of Golem. Learn to read.
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MyBroTierno posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Imagine not liking Gigalith. Good to know you have bad opinions.

I didn't say I didn't like it, I said it was a shameless ripoff of Golem. Learn to read.

I guess in that they're both rock types with a trade evo? Design wise they're nothing alike.
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CM_Ponch posted...

MyBroTierno posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Imagine not liking Gigalith. Good to know you have bad opinions.

I didn't say I didn't like it, I said it was a shameless ripoff of Golem. Learn to read.

I guess in that they're both rock types with a trade evo? Design wise they're nothing alike.

Besides having extremely similar stats, near-identical movepools, and identical team roles, sure.
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Reis posted...

rare instance of TC displaying good taste

This. But Gen 4 is my fave with 5 a super close second.
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MyBroTierno posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

MyBroTierno posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Imagine not liking Gigalith. Good to know you have bad opinions.

I didn't say I didn't like it, I said it was a shameless ripoff of Golem. Learn to read.

I guess in that they're both rock types with a trade evo? Design wise they're nothing alike.

Besides having extremely similar stats, near-identical movepools, and identical team roles, sure.

With the amount of Pokmon they've reached it's inevitable that some are going to play similar roles to old ones. I don't see how that's a problem. It only becomes that if the design is uninspired or bland. In this case I don't think that's an issue.
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Gen 4 was the last gen that I cleared. Just couldn't muster the drive to clear gen 5 onwards. The grind is just too dull now.

I raised a Lv. 100 Haxorus with 408 ATK.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

MyBroTierno posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

MyBroTierno posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Imagine not liking Gigalith. Good to know you have bad opinions.

I didn't say I didn't like it, I said it was a shameless ripoff of Golem. Learn to read.

I guess in that they're both rock types with a trade evo? Design wise they're nothing alike.

Besides having extremely similar stats, near-identical movepools, and identical team roles, sure.

With the amount of Pokmon they've reached it's inevitable that some are going to play similar roles to old ones.

It's not just that Gigalith fills a "similar role" to Golem. It's that it has extremely similar stats to eachother and near-identical movepools to boot, especially for their best moves. That doesn't even remotely suggest that "design wise they're nothing alike".
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Still not seeing the problem. But even if this is the case for Gigalith, what about your other examples. I don't remember the BSTs for Throh and Sawk but I do know Throh at least has two signature moves. They never really reminded me of Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee. Again though, I don't remember their movepools and BSTs. And I don't really feel like checking them out.
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Good shit TC

I need to get around to finishing Black and Black 2

My favorite gen is 6 technically, just for the Gen 3 remakes (I thought XY was trash), but that is subject to change once I finish B1&2
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Gen 7 > Gen 5

TC..
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PokemonExpert44 posted...

Gen 7 > Gen 5

TC..

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NeonOctopus posted...

PokemonExpert44 posted...

Gen 7 > Gen 5

TC..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc" data-time="

XD!!!!

lmao
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Gen 7 would have been better if they didn't decide to make most of the new Pokemon slow for no good reason. And it also has some ridiculously late evolutions. They also make some of the newer Pokemon difficult to encounter.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Gen 7 would have been better if they didn't decide to make most of the new Pokemon slow for no good reason. And it also has some ridiculously late evolutions. They also make some of the newer Pokemon difficult to encounter.

Yeah, literally being upable to evolve Vikavolt and the boxer crab until the literal last area was really annoying >_>
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Everyone whining about late stage evolutions... lol gitgud.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Still not seeing the problem

You don't see the problem with adding Pokemon that are basically a lazy rehash of an older Pokemon. Alrighty then.
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MyBroTierno posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Still not seeing the problem

You don't see the problem with adding Pokemon that are basically a lazy rehash of an older Pokemon. Alrighty then.

Thats every generation. Thats literally the entire Pokemon franchise. No big deal.
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MyBroTierno posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Still not seeing the problem

You don't see the problem with adding Pokemon that are basically a lazy rehash of an older Pokemon. Alrighty then.

Yeah I don't see the problem. Why exactly does it matter? Even if Gigalith was a lazy rehash, does that automatically devalue its existence? I don't believe so. I guess on the whole Gen 5 does have less unique Pokemon than the latest two generations. But that obviously has to do with how many Pokemon Gen 5 introduced.
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