Current Events > When you remember that white nationalism is the status quo already, it's easier.

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It's easier to understand how we are still at this point when you remember that white nationalism and white supremacy are already the status quo in America
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put it back in the deck
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There is no such thing as white nationalism.

You bloody americans can't even tell the difference between race and nationality.

GunmaN1905 posted...

There is no such thing as white nationalism.

You bloody americans can't even tell the difference between race and nationality.

>white nationalism
>"nothing to do with race!"
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You literally can't read.

Read again.

GunmaN1905 posted...

You literally can't read.

Read again.

I'm really not understanding how what you said really relates at all or somehow disproves the existence of white nationalism
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

GunmaN1905 posted...

You literally can't read.

Read again.

I'm really not understanding how what you said really relates at all or somehow disproves the existence of white nationalism

Hes saying white nationalism cant exist because there is no country called White
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Russman posted...

Hes saying white nationalism cant exist because there is no country called White

I guess that makes some sense
if he didn't acknowledge that he knows the "white" part of "white nationalism" refers to the race of white people
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*farts on topic*
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No.

I'm saying that you don't know what nationalism is.

Nationalism is favorism/discrimination towards/against people of different nationalities.

White is a race. It has nothing to do with nationalism.

In your case, you're all Americans.

You can't be nationalistic towards other people of the same damn nationality.
Regardless if they're white, black, Asian or any other race.
You can be racist.

GunmaN1905 posted...

No.

I'm saying that you don't know what nationalism is.

Nationalism is favorism/discrimination towards/against people of different nationalities.

white nationalists want a white ethnostate
so it absolutely has to do with both race and nationalism
and is both racist and nationalist

YOU'RE the one here who doesn't understand what "white nationalism" means

Edit: NOT TO MENTION I also mentioned white supremacy in the main post so IDK what your point was trying to split up the term "white nationalism" and defining each thing on their own to somehow say I don't understand what "nationalism" means
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

white nationalists want a white ethnostate

This has always been my recommendation for them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus
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GunmaN1905 posted...

There is no such thing as white nationalism.

You bloody americans can't even tell the difference between race and nationality.

Tell that to all of the self-proclaimed White nationalists running around.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

GunmaN1905 posted...

No.

I'm saying that you don't know what nationalism is.

Nationalism is favorism/discrimination towards/against people of different nationalities.

white nationalists want a white ethnostate
so it absolutely has to do with both race and nationalism
and is both racist and nationalist

YOU'RE the one here who doesn't understand what "white nationalism" means

Edit: NOT TO MENTION I also mentioned white supremacy in the main post so IDK what your point was trying to split up the term "white nationalism" and defining each thing on their own to somehow say I don't understand what "nationalism" means

I hope that you're trolling by this point.

I didn't want to split the term, I'm just saying that you can't be nationalistic based on skin color.
That's racism, not nationalism.

GunmaN1905 posted...

I'm just saying that you can't be nationalistic based on skin color.

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

white nationalists want a white ethnostate

I think you have trouble understanding that "racism," "nationalism," and "white nationalism" all mean different things

Also "nationalist" doesn't mean someone who is prejudiced based on nationality, btw
and "nationalism" isn't just discriminating based on nation-of-origin
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GunmaN1905 posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

GunmaN1905 posted...

No.

I'm saying that you don't know what nationalism is.

Nationalism is favorism/discrimination towards/against people of different nationalities.

white nationalists want a white ethnostate
so it absolutely has to do with both race and nationalism
and is both racist and nationalist

YOU'RE the one here who doesn't understand what "white nationalism" means

Edit: NOT TO MENTION I also mentioned white supremacy in the main post so IDK what your point was trying to split up the term "white nationalism" and defining each thing on their own to somehow say I don't understand what "nationalism" means

I hope that you're trolling by this point.

I didn't want to split the term, I'm just saying that you can't be nationalistic based on skin color.
That's racism, not nationalism.

I get the semantic point you're making, but for whatever reason, white nationalist is the term that has caught on in American public discourse. Even wikipedia uses that term to describe it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism#United_States

Starting in the 1960s, white nationalism grew in the US as the conservative movement developed in mainstream society.[70] Samuel P. Huntington argues that it developed as a reaction to a perceived decline in the essence of American identity as European, Anglo-Protestant and English-speaking.[71] The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 had opened entry to the US to immigrants other than traditional Northern European and Germanic groups, and as a result it would significantly, and unintentionally, alter the demographic mix in the US.[72]


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ce pls respond
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except it's not the status quo
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my question is....why is it only white nationalism/supremacy that people say is bad?

no one says latino pride is bad or black lives matter is bad and no one says japan and china need to get more diverse.

so why is it exclusively white pride that is called bad? thats one of the lynch pin arguments in favor of white nationalism.....and there doesnt seem to be an answer to that beyond double standards, and if thats the case, those folks are dead on with their argument.

Goddamn white people!
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kayoticdreamz posted...

no one says latino pride is bad or black lives matter is bad

Well neither of those call for a latin/black American ethnostate. So there's that.

kayoticdreamz posted...

my question is....why is it only white nationalism/supremacy that people say is bad?

no one says latino pride is bad or black lives matter is bad and no one says japan and china need to get more diverse.

so why is it exclusively white pride that is called bad? thats one of the lynch pin arguments in favor of white nationalism.....and there doesnt seem to be an answer to that beyond double standards, and if thats the case, those folks are dead on with their argument.

Because white people have a far more violent history when it comes to enforcing their racist ideologies on folks. White people also.make up the best majority of politicians, judges, and other authoritive positions.

So naturally anything associated with the KKK will be looked down upon more harshly than something like BLM.

Also white racists tend to be Trump supporters so once again it is only natural.to not respect people of such low intelligence

Authentic_fan posted...

Because white people have a far more violent history when it comes to enforcing their racist ideologies on folks. White people also.make up the best majority of politicians, judges, and other authoritive positions.

The Japanese were pretty bad.
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GunmaN1905 posted...

There is no such thing as white nationalism.

You bloody americans can't even tell the difference between race and nationality.

Is that you @Complete_Idi0t
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Authentic_fan posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

my question is....why is it only white nationalism/supremacy that people say is bad?

no one says latino pride is bad or black lives matter is bad and no one says japan and china need to get more diverse.

so why is it exclusively white pride that is called bad? thats one of the lynch pin arguments in favor of white nationalism.....and there doesnt seem to be an answer to that beyond double standards, and if thats the case, those folks are dead on with their argument.

Because white people have a far more violent history when it comes to enforcing their racist ideologies on folks. White people also.make up the best majority of politicians, judges, and other authoritive positions.

So naturally anything associated with the KKK will be looked down upon more harshly than something like BLM.

Also white racists tend to be Trump supporters so once again it is only natural.to not respect people of such low intelligence

fucking bullshit and you know it.

there isn't one single race of people on this planet that lacks blood on their hands. not one single race.

and white people aren't still participating in things like slavery....unlike other races. white people have made efforts in the past 100 years to end slavery, oppression, and other such things. white countries donate far more to third world countries. and lets not forget blacks were selling fellow blacks into slavery and they still do it today.

so again, answer the question....why is it evil for white people to have white pride, but not other races? and do it without deflecting as you cannot say white people are the only race in the history of the world with blood on their hands and somehow use that as an excuse to say white pride is instantly bad.

p.s.

way to go proving the point, you dragged trump into this for literally no reason at all. it's like i told you how you would answer and not to answer that way, then you still did it anyway. I mean is the counter argument to "why can't white people be proud of their own race" really "white racists tend to be Trump supporters"....if thats your argument, then game over.

Unknown5uspect posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

no one says latino pride is bad or black lives matter is bad

Well neither of those call for a latin/black American ethnostate. So there's that.

thats bullshit and you know it. when you explicitly design a movement for the sole intention of crying racism against another group of people, you inherently argue for the superiority of that one group. when you say white people are all racist, you inherently say the world is better off without them. if police brutality awareness was really their goal, they would focus on that and not white people are racist because it's already illegal to discriminate.

all I am saying is...why is it bad for whites to have white pride?

you cannot just make the assumption that a person with white pride is going around lynching blacks and is a member of the KKK. thats not only discrimination(ironic really) but its incredibly racist to make that assumption too(more irony). thats like assuming all black people are illiterate thugs and gang members.

so if anyone wants to answer that question without accusing said white person in this scenario of killing non-whites in their spare time, feel free to do so. you've already failed in your first attempt to answer that question.

way to go proving the point, you dragged trump into this for literally no reason at all. it's like i told you how you would answer and not to answer that way, then you still did it anyway. I mean is the counter argument to "why can't white people be proud of their own race" really "white racists tend to be Trump supporters"....if thats your argument, then game over.

Uh no it's not a deflection it is reality and part of the reason why

People are harsher on white people because of their affiliation with Trump because politics has poisoned the minds of America

You can't even see that smh

And also, yes, it's true that white people have fought to abolish slavery, but that's white progressives.

Trump and his people are not viewed as progressives, but rather stupid racists. The reason they're viewed that way is because Trump himself has made a ton of stupid racists comments and people support him regardless

That's the reality, if you can't handle it so be it.

It's like two kids arguing about stuff they saw on tv.
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GunmaN1905 posted...

There is no such thing as white nationalism.

You bloody americans can't even tell the difference between race and nationality.

The point is that white nationalism is a solid belief, it's that it actually does exist, precisely because of factors you just pointed out.

Also racial tensions are higher right now than they've been since I've been alive

And yes the reason for it is because the leader of the country is a man who has created a divide by making obscene ignorant comments

The divide also happens when others see people support such hatred and bigotry

So Trump is one of the direct causes for all the racial tension in America. It is what it is

Authentic_fan posted...

Also racial tensions are higher right now than they've been since I've been alive

And yes the reason for it is because the leader of the country is a man who has created a divide by making obscene ignorant comments

The divide also happens when others see people support such hatred and bigotry

So Trump is one of the direct causes for all the racial tension in America. It is what it is

You don't think hoax hate crimes, baseless accusations of racism, and false media narratives of situations like Michael Brown and Antwon Rose are contributing factors?

Even so, I think there is far, far more ideological tension than racial tension. Media just likes to hype the racism boogeyman because it gets clicks.

kayoticdreamz posted...

my question is....why is it only white nationalism/supremacy that people say is bad?

no one says latino pride is bad or black lives matter is bad and no one says japan and china need to get more diverse.

so why is it exclusively white pride that is called bad? thats one of the lynch pin arguments in favor of white nationalism.....and there doesnt seem to be an answer to that beyond double standards, and if thats the case, those folks are dead on with their argument.

i love how you changed language from "white nationalism/supremacy" to talking about "white pride"
i love how you used the word "lynch" and couldn't figure it out
i love how people are incapable of realizing that "white nationalism" has to do with getting rid of everyone else, but anyone saying "Latino pride" isn't advocating the death and destruction of every non-Latino
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You don't think hoax hate crimes, baseless accusations of racism, and false media narratives of situations like Michael Brown and Antwon Rose are contributing factors?

Even so, I think there is far, far more ideological tension than racial tension. Media just likes to hype the racism boogeyman because it gets clicks.

All of those things contribute but trumps policies on immigration obviously have had a direct effect on the racial tensions in.america

It's only natural. We are the most diverse country in the world and now we have a guy in office who is directly coming at these people. Why wouldn't there be a backlash?

He also caused a lot of it by the way he attacked the NFL and changed the narrative of the kaepernick protests.

His comments on Mexicans being criminals and all the other things he's said about foreign nations.

You can't blame Trump 100% but he is a very big reason as to why this is going on.

And like I said, this makes people on the other side of the Trump train look at his supporters and think "they're racist"

I personally do not believe all Trump supporters are racists but I feel like many of them are. But there is racism on both sides, definitely. Either way, his policies have had a direct influence on this divide.

kayoticdreamz posted...

all I am saying is...why is it bad for whites to have white pride?

For multiple reasons;
- 'White' is not a race. You ever notice how no one bats an eye at 'Irish Pride' or 'Italian Pride'?
- Language doesn't exist in a vacuum. The term White Pride is so undeniably tied to White Power that it is almost impossible to separate the two.

As others said, white nationalism and white pride are technically different things.

kayoticdreamz posted...

you cannot just make the assumption that a person with white pride is going around lynching blacks and is a member of the KKK. thats not only discrimination(ironic really) but its incredibly racist to make that assumption too(more irony). thats like assuming all black people are illiterate thugs and gang members.

I've never heard that assumption before. However, again, white pride doesn't mean what you think it means.

kayoticdreamz posted...

so if anyone wants to answer that question without accusing said white person in this scenario of killing non-whites in their spare time, feel free to do so. you've already failed in your first attempt to answer that question.

I just answered it just fine. To recap;
- White isn't a race, it's a skin color.
- Historically, the term carries the exact connotations you listed.

kayoticdreamz posted...

white people have made efforts in the past 100 years to end slavery, oppression, and other such things.

wow

give it up for the white folks everybody

they stopped slavery

and ended racism

this is what i mean about small town mentalities btw
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_RETS_ posted...

You don't think hoax hate crimes, baseless accusations of racism

You mean like the white people who claimed they were attacked in viewings of Black Panther?
You mean like the white people who took a picture of a model with halloween makeup on and claimed it was an attack from black people on her because she's white?
You mean like the white people who make up this statistic? https://www.newsweek.com/white-americans-feel-they-are-victims-discrimination-new-poll-shows-691753

And that isn't even new, they thought they were the most "discriminated against" since 2014. Come off it.
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Authentic_fan posted...

You don't think hoax hate crimes, baseless accusations of racism, and false media narratives of situations like Michael Brown and Antwon Rose are contributing factors?

Even so, I think there is far, far more ideological tension than racial tension. Media just likes to hype the racism boogeyman because it gets clicks.

All of those things contribute but trumps policies on immigration obviously have had a direct effect on the racial tensions in.america

It's only natural. We are the most diverse country in the world and now we have a guy in office who is directly coming at these people. Why wouldn't there be a backlash?

He also caused a lot of it by the way he attacked the NFL and changed the narrative of the kaepernick protests.

His comments on Mexicans being criminals and all the other things he's said about foreign nations.

You can't blame Trump 100% but he is a very big reason as to why this is going on.

And like I said, this makes people on the other side of the Trump train look at his supporters and think "they're racist"

I personally do not believe all Trump supporters are racists but I feel like many of them are. But there is racism on both sides, definitely. Either way, his policies have had a direct influence on this divide.

Fair, though I partly disagree, but I wasn't necessarily talking about people thinking his supporters are racist. More about the media driving the narrative of racism and reporting things as racist incidents without facts and letting that narrative stand even when opposing facts come to light.

Like, there is absolutely no reason that "black lady not let into a store that was closed" thing should have even made local papers. But now those employees are fired because of the (social) media driven outrage based entirely on a falsehood.

It isn't that overt racism has become more common, but claims of it definitely have.

I know that there are proud white folks out there that are cool with other races, but they're not the ones that are vocal about it, it's the racist assholes that are. I have yet to see a white person talk about white pride and not have anything negative to say about another race. People see "white pride" as kind of a negative term because the only people we see screaming it are a bunch of skinhead pussy cucks.

I know the posters that brought up Black & Brown pride were trolling, but I just felt like throwing in my 2 cents
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Fair, though I partly disagree, but I wasn't necessarily talking about people thinking his supporters are racist. More about the media driving the narrative of racism and reporting things as racist incidents without facts and letting that narrative stand even when opposing facts come to light.

Like, there is absolutely no reason that "black lady not let into a store that was closed" thing should have even made local papers. But now those employees are fired because of the (social) media driven outrage based entirely on a falsehood.

It isn't that overt racism has become more common, but claims of it definitely have.

Yeah, true. Social media and the internet are also not helping.

It's not good when you see some 50 year old.man arguing politics on the FuckDonaldTrump Facebook page.

Or just any Facebook page you know what I mean. That shit is full of people arguing politics.

It's good that everyone has a platform to post their views but nobody seems to know how to discuss things in a civil manner. Can't really blame Trump for that.

Unknown5uspect posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

no one says latino pride is bad or black lives matter is bad

Well neither of those call for a latin/black American ethnostate. So there's that.

I don't think this is true, actually. I have heard calls for segregated communities, neighborhoods, etc. from the anti-gentrification crowd in these groups. So that's not the creation of an entirely new state, but certainly the creation of segregated neighborhoods.
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Yeah sure, its the norm. Thats why being outed as a white nationalist is career ending.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Yeah sure, its the norm. Thats why being outed as a white nationalist is career ending.

blatant white nationalism gets stamped out, as planned, in public view so that people can think just this very thing

if you think the ones with any influence have any intent of being found out or exposed, you'd be dead wrong. and they don't have to be card-carrying nazis to harbor legit white nationalist/supremacist feelings
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and black nationalism IS frowned upon. look at all the people bitching about white people having their shit stolen in africa.

people (rightfully) are against that discrimination too. its not only white people, but it happens to be mainly white people that are doing this in the US, and its the most common in the world because usually white people are the ones in a position to oppress others in most places. it's not the way it has to be / always will be, but its the current state of affairs, and its the current thing that's a common problem.

if there were more cases of whites being oppressed/abused, then there would be more complaints about that, im sure. in fact, there area complaints about that in the US already.

no one gets a pass, nor should they. but one can focus on a particular problem as its needed.

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Yeah sure, its the norm. Thats why being outed as a white nationalist is career ending.

blatant white nationalism gets stamped out, as planned, in public view so that people can think just this very thing

if you think the ones with any influence have any intent of being found out or exposed, you'd be dead wrong. and they don't have to be card-carrying nazis to harbor legit white nationalist/supremacist feelings

My god you saw through our plan. And we also use high non-white immigration to cloak our intentions of white nationalism.
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Fam_Fam posted...

and black nationalism IS frowned upon. look at all the people bitching about white people having their shit stolen in africa.

What are you talking about? You mean the situation in South Africa?

Also that's not really the same thing as what is going on in the US when it comes to black nationalism, which often goes hand-in-hand with the anti-gentrification crowd.
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White Goodman
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Authentic_fan posted...

Also racial tensions are higher right now than they've been since I've been alive

And yes the reason for it is because the leader of the country is a man who has created a divide by making obscene ignorant comments

The divide also happens when others see people support such hatred and bigotry

So Trump is one of the direct causes for all the racial tension in America. It is what it is

This divide was starting before trump was running for anything
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Ving_Rhames posted...

_RETS_ posted...

You don't think hoax hate crimes, baseless accusations of racism

You mean like the white people who claimed they were attacked in viewings of Black Panther?
You mean like the white people who took a picture of a model with halloween makeup on and claimed it was an attack from black people on her because she's white?
You mean like the white people who make up this statistic? https://www.newsweek.com/white-americans-feel-they-are-victims-discrimination-new-poll-shows-691753

And that isn't even new, they thought they were the most "discriminated against" since 2014. Come off it.

What is this dumbass what-aboutism? Yes, I mean like those scenarios. Though I am willing to bet for every story like those you will find 5 like the one with the restaurant not letting that black (and right before her, white) lady in after closing and it blowing up like some huge race issue.

And the latter stories blow up in the media and on social media way, way more than the ones you describe. I'm just not sure what your point is. Mine was simply that racist incidents have not necessarily increased, but things being misrepresented as racism without facts and the media-driven narrative that launches off of that have certainly increased. Not only are actual incidents more widely viewed and known about (even if they are not actually occurring more than any other time) because of the prevalence of cameras and 24 hour news, but now more issues are twisted into race issues because there is a clear agenda behind it.