Current Events > What if Hilary ran again but with Bernie as her VP. Can they beat Trump in 2020?

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Hilary/Bernie vs Trump/Pence. I see Hilary and Bernie losing individually but what would happen if they ran together?
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if you think the insurgent left would vote clinton just because bernie's on the ticket, you don't really understand the insurgent left

bernie sold out and i doubt he'd even command quite the same fervor if he won the nomination in 2020
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I'd rather Bernie be on top and Hillary is the VP but I still wouldn't like it. Bernie should never work with Hillary.

I'm not sure people would want to start losing after all this winning.
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What was Bernie supposed to do, tell people to not vote Democrat?
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Hillary is done, she'll never get the nomination again.
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No one wants Hilary to have any kind of political power(being Pres, or vice pres), if Bernie runs he needs to not include her at all.
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iPhone_7 posted...

What was Bernie supposed to do, tell people to not vote Democrat?

considering he wasn't originally a democrat anyway.....yea

he only ran democrat for a chance to win the election since our country doesn't respect 3rd parties

iPhone_7 posted...

What was Bernie supposed to do, tell people to not vote Democrat?

Fight against Hillary for rigging the DNC. Bending over like he did was pathetic.
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Nope. Hillary is poison.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

No one wants Hilary to have any kind of political power(being Pres, or vice pres)

No one on the left, anyway. Republicans very clearly want her to run again because they don't know how to operate without her in the spotlight.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

No one wants Hilary to have any kind of political power(being Pres, or vice pres), if Bernie runs he needs to not include her at all.

Bernie stands no chance at all on his own. He's a 90 year old commie who is more full of shit than Trump. He'll get a bunch of college kids who think he we erase the student debt they built up while getting their women's studies degree and some SJW's but everyone else realises how trash the dude is
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She has too much baggage and incumbent presidents usually have the advantage and average people only care about the economy which is booming right now

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HotLap posted...

Hillary is done, she'll never get the nomination again.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. You're supposed to have learned this by preschool.
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eggcorn posted...

Two wrongs don't make a right. You're supposed to have learned this by preschool.

Tbh, I hope either of them get the nomination because it would be hilarious to see the left lose their shit over having Trump for 4 more years.
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TheSextMachine posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

What was Bernie supposed to do, tell people to not vote Democrat?

Fight against Hillary for rigging the DNC. Bending over like he did was pathetic.

I dont take your post seriously because youre a known Trumpanzee. You would have loved for him to throw the election for the Democrats.
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the geriatric ticket
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iPhone_7 posted...

You would have loved for him to throw the election for the Democrats.

But I would have respected him at least.

And the dems were a lost cause with Hillary from the start. Anyone with a brain saw it.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

HotLap posted...

Hillary is done, she'll never get the nomination again.

She didn't get the nomination last election. She purchased it.
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TheSextMachine posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

You would have loved for him to throw the election for the Democrats.

But I would have respected him at least.

Nobody cares about who you respect, especially since you support Trump.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Nobody cares about who you respect, especially since you support Trump

"I'm a Trump supporter but let me act like my opinions on the Democrats matter"
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Democrats just have to run someone who appeals to the blue collar workers and they have the election in the bag. Hillary and/or Bernie won't do that. That's why we have the president we have now... it takes a really bad democrat candidate to lose basically *all* the blue collar union states. But then I think democrats don't want to admit a large part of that voter bloc that they usually have in the bag is also extremely racist, so they flocked to Trump as well as ran from Hillary.
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Bernie doesnt need hillary, shes the worst
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I'd like to believe 49% of this country has the hindsight of the present to elect a literal moldy pumpkin over the incumbent, let alone a Clinton/Sanders ticket. I know I'm wrong; these two years, I've basically watched people essentially shit themselves in spite. But, I'd be shocked if anywhere near as many people were willing to vote for him again in 2020.
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The Top Crusader posted...

Democrats just have to run someone who appeals to the blue collar workers and they have the election in the bag. Hillary and/or Bernie won't do that. That's why we have the president we have now... it takes a really bad democrat candidate to lose basically *all* the blue collar union states. But then I think democrats don't want to admit a large part of that voter bloc that they usually have in the bag is also extremely racist, so they flocked to Trump as well as ran from Hillary.

Our president is decided by two things: 1) charisma which I think we can all agree Trump has more of than Hillary and 2) the country is a pendulum because people are never happy and the presidents party always gets the blame.

bernie sanders would have never been allowed on another democratic ticket again in his life if he didn't endorse hillary. i suspect that unless he has some major health issue he will likely run again. realistically, no candidate is going to win unless they are on an (r) or (d) ticket for presidential elections.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Nobody cares about who you respect, especially since you support Trump.

And you supported Hillary. Both are pieces of shit so don't act you supported anyone that was any better.
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TheSextMachine posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Nobody cares about who you respect, especially since you support Trump.

And you supported Hillary. Both are pieces of shit so don't act you supported anyone that was any better.

You're still insisting on this false equivalency shit, like we chose the least of two evils? What is the Hillary Clinton analog to this administration's child separation policy? Who is her Steven Miller or Jeff Sessions? Who does Hillary Clinton appoint to lead the EPA and what kind of corruption does he or she get up to? What white supremacists does Hillary Clinton's national security adviser retweet. What kinds of justices does she appoint to the Supreme and lower circuit courts.

Do you get it? Do you understand what you're implying here?
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hollow_shrine posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Nobody cares about who you respect, especially since you support Trump.

And you supported Hillary. Both are pieces of shit so don't act you supported anyone that was any better.

You're still insisting on this false equivalency shit, like we chose the least of two evils? What is the Hillary Clinton analog to this administration's child separation policy? Who is her Steven Miller or Jeff Sessions? Who does Hillary Clinton appoint to lead the EPA and what kind of corruption does he or she get up to? What white supremacists does Hillary Clinton's national security adviser retweet. What kinds of justices does she appoint to the Supreme and lower circuit courts.

Do you get it? Do you understand what you're implying here?

Do you understand what subjectivity is?

SSJosHBK_Blue posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Nobody cares about who you respect, especially since you support Trump.

And you supported Hillary. Both are pieces of shit so don't act you supported anyone that was any better.

You're still insisting on this false equivalency shit, like we chose the least of two evils? What is the Hillary Clinton analog to this administration's child separation policy? Who is her Steven Miller or Jeff Sessions? Who does Hillary Clinton appoint to lead the EPA and what kind of corruption does he or she get up to? What white supremacists does Hillary Clinton's national security adviser retweet. What kinds of justices does she appoint to the Supreme and lower circuit courts.

Do you get it? Do you understand what you're implying here?

Do you understand what subjectivity is?

What, so we feel better about electing one of them? The current presidential situation is aesthetically more pleasing? Are you serious?

What are the policies? Who's writing them? What are those person's? Whose bankrolling them? Who are their personal and professional peers, and what influence might those persons have on governance? What work experience do these people have?

Stop wasting time and ask real questions. Some of those answers will be subjective, but a lot of them aren't.
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Hillary's running mate was not the problem. Hillary was the problem. If Hillary and Bernie were to run together they will both be the problem. Joe Biden 2020.
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What im saying is is that you arent happy with Trump and thats fine and dandy and is well within your right but its no more than an opinion. Half the countries opinion is that Trump is a fine president. Whose to say which side is right? Neither side should berate the other for an opinion

SSJosHBK_Blue posted...

What im saying is is that you arent happy with Trump and thats fine and dandy and is well within your right but its no more than an opinion. Half the countries opinion is that Trump is a fine president. Whose to say which side is right? Neither side should berate the other for an opinion

I don't argue for the sake of arguing. Not all opinions are valid. Come on. There are people out here insisting the goddamn planet is flat.

They are wrong, and they need to know that. Being incorrect is not a moral stain or something. Being wrong is often a necessary step to eventually being right. If instead they double down on their original stance, now they're not arguing in good faith and can no longer feel entitled to the rhetorical dignity arguing in good faith provides. They deserve ridicule. And when it comes to offices with the power of the presidency you can't let people choose their own facts. The consequences can last lifetimes.

If you took two seconds to consider your position from other perspectives, you wouldn't have posted this.
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Bernie is the opposite of Hillary on a lot of issues.
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Just mark Joshy and move on.
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hollow_shrine posted...

SSJosHBK_Blue posted...

What im saying is is that you arent happy with Trump and thats fine and dandy and is well within your right but its no more than an opinion. Half the countries opinion is that Trump is a fine president. Whose to say which side is right? Neither side should berate the other for an opinion

I don't argue for the sake of arguing. Not all opinions are valid. Come on. There are people out here insisting the goddamn planet is flat.

They are wrong, and they need to know that. Being incorrect is not a moral stain or something. Being wrong is often a necessary step to eventually being right. If instead they double down on their original stance, now they're not arguing in good faith and can no longer feel entitled to the rhetorical dignity arguing in good faith provides. They deserve ridicule. And when it comes to offices with the power of the presidency you can't let people choose their own facts. The consequences can last lifetimes.

If you took two seconds to consider your position from other perspectives, you wouldn't have posted this.

And the opinion that the earth is flat IS stupid and easily debunked and isnt comparable to the performance of either political party or Trump. Trumps performance IS subjective and there is no way to prove whether or not either side is right mostly because there is no answer: its literally just preference. Or do you forget people felt the same way about Obama, for instance, that you feel about Trump today?

TheSextMachine posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Nobody cares about who you respect, especially since you support Trump.

And you supported Hillary. Both are pieces of shit so don't act you supported anyone that was any better.

Youre the one that actively supports dumbass Trump and his embarrassing Presidency, that says a lot more about you.
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SSJosHBK_Blue posted...

its literally just preference. Or do you forget people felt the same way about Obama, for instance, that you feel about Trump today?

It's not. Some of those opinions about Obama were totally and demonstrably valid. Deportations objectively went up during the Obama administration. Many campaign promises were never filled. For all his erudite speeches, he had no idea how to brand his policies, and he wasted years bargaining with a Congress acting purely in bad faith. I don't necessarily think he deserved that Nobel Peace prize. There's volumes of valid criticism to be directed at Obama.

But you know what's not going to be in those volumes? Right wing assertions that Obama's secrets life as a Muslim socialist autocrat, who wasn't even actually American undermined his authority to serve as president and that his presence in the oval office was the result of some kind of coup. I don't talk a lot about the Russia investigation because it's ongoing and I have little reason to speculate when there's an iceberg of information I don't have. But it does provide a great contrast alongside some of the Obama conspiracy theories between what constitutes potentially valid opinions and what constitutes quackery.

These equivalences are fallacious.
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Thats not what i mean. Obviously the obama is a muslim thing is stupid. Im talking about things like how a president handles something like, as you brought up, deportations. Thats an opinion because there is no right or wrong answer about if it was handled right whereas you can dsmonstrate that obama isnt a muslim. Does that make sense?

SSJosHBK_Blue posted...

Thats not what i mean. Obviously the obama is a muslim thing is stupid. Im talking about things like how a president handles something like, as you brought up, deportations. Thats an opinion because there is no right or wrong answer about if it was handled right whereas you can dsmonstrate that obama isnt a muslim. Does that make sense?

It makes more sense, but there's still room to refine the point. There are measurable metrics we can draw (or will eventually be able to draw) from each administration's deportation policies. A great one to ask in 2015 was whether or not crime per capita dropped in those cities seeing most of the deportations. If so, consideration of other possible causes and further analysis of how those causes contribute to the status quo might give me an idea of how useful such a policy was for stopping crime and whether or not the cost of that policy is reflected in our results.

There are also those examples (Muslim travel ban, ACA repeal, and our recent interpretation of the border detainment policy) for whom the impact is immediate, and for whom you don't have to see their long term consequence to know you want it to end as soon as possible because the observable results are too unpleasant to be ethically or politically viable.
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hollow_shrine posted...

SSJosHBK_Blue posted...

Thats not what i mean. Obviously the obama is a muslim thing is stupid. Im talking about things like how a president handles something like, as you brought up, deportations. Thats an opinion because there is no right or wrong answer about if it was handled right whereas you can dsmonstrate that obama isnt a muslim. Does that make sense?

It makes more sense, but there's still room to refine the point. There are measurable metrics we can draw (or will eventually be able to draw) from each administration's deportation policies. A great one to ask in 2015 was whether or not crime per capita dropped in those cities seeing most of the deportations. If so, consideration of other possible causes and further analysis of how those causes contribute to the status quo might give me an idea of how useful such a policy was for stopping crime and whether or not the cost of that policy is reflected in our results.

There are also those examples (Muslim travel ban, ACA repeal, and our recent interpretation of the border detainment policy) for whom the impact is immediate, and for whom you don't have to see their long term consequence to know you want it to end as soon as possible because the observable results are too unpleasant to be ethically or politically viable.

Some might not look at it about crime though and might instead look at it by the right to be here, cutting in line being wrong among other things.

Many people decided to vote for Trump rather than give Hilary a vote. Trump! Not even because they agreed with him. It waa because they hate Clinton so much. America has no interest in having her as President.
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byron posted...

That'll never happen. Hillary supporters would never support Bernie. They're delusional and blame Sanders for her losing.

The overwhelming bulk of voters who picked Sanders in the primaries, including myself, voted for Clinton with little hesitation. Any democrat on that ticket was better than Trump, or Cruz, or Rubio. Full stop.

To this day, I still don't understand Sanders voters who couldn't do the same, because their actions suggest they found the prospect of a President Trump less objectionable than a President Clinton. That flies in the face of basically all of Sanders's personal politics and proposed policies. When I don't get everything I want, I'll accept the next best option. They chose not even to do that.
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hollow_shrine posted...

byron posted...

That'll never happen. Hillary supporters would never support Bernie. They're delusional and blame Sanders for her losing.

The overwhelming bulk of voters who picked Sanders in the primaries, including myself, voted for Clinton with little hesitation. Any democrat on that ticket was better than Trump, or Cruz, or Rubio. Full stop.

To this day, I still don't understand Sanders voters who couldn't do the same, because their actions suggest they found the prospect of a President Trump less objectionable than a President Clinton. That flies in the face of basically all of Sanders's personal politics and proposed policies. When I don't get everything I want, I'll accept the next best option. They chose not even to do that.

Correction: They chose not to do what you saw as the next best option.
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hollow_shrine posted...

To this day, I still don't understand Sanders voters who couldn't do the same, because their actions suggest they found the prospect of a President Trump less objectionable than a President Clinton.

Or they rightfully felt they were fucked over and didn't vote for her as a big fuck you to the DNC.

I don't blame them. The group with democrat in the name threw democracy right out the window.
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DarkTransient posted...

Correction: They chose not to do what you saw as the next best option.

I said exactly what I meant, when I posted:

hollow_shrine posted...

That flies in the face of basically all of Sanders's personal politics and proposed policies. When I don't get everything I want, I'll accept the next best option. They chose not even to do that.

Sanders politics were diametrically opposed to Trump, and for Sanders himself there was never any confusion about where his support should go if he lost the nomination. It's why he encouraged his supporters to rally behind Clinton at the poll; because he found the idea of a Trump presidency completely unacceptable. Any voter who shared those political sympathies or priorities can reasonably be expected to follow in his footsteps. And hey, 90% of us did.

The question is what's going on with that bottom 10%. They appear to be Sanders supporters in name only.
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