Poll of the Day > Who should be the Democrat candidate in 2020?

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McSame_as_Bush
07/20/18 2:36:51 PM
#51:


Right now I'm with Gillibrand. My views align most closely with Bernie, but he is too old, too divisive, and he would be unable to accomplish much of anything as President.
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BlackScythe0
07/20/18 2:55:11 PM
#52:


Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kamala Harris seems like the establishment pick.


Still quite a bit of time before the primaries really get underway so that could change.


Definitely, especially if Hillary decides to sabotage the country again. I'm just saying that it really feels like the establishment and media are working together to get her name and face out there.

I have no clue who is going to run and how the primaries will turn out. I'm just saying I think Harris is going to run and be the preferred candidate for the DNC.
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McSame_as_Bush
07/20/18 2:59:00 PM
#53:


BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kamala Harris seems like the establishment pick.


Still quite a bit of time before the primaries really get underway so that could change.


Definitely, especially if Hillary decides to sabotage the country again. I'm just saying that it really feels like the establishment and media are working together to get her name and face out there.

I have no clue who is going to run and how the primaries will turn out. I'm just saying I think Harris is going to run and be the preferred candidate for the DNC.


Doubtful. She is very new to Congress. They'd prefer someone more experienced. She's also tossing some ideas out there that may be too controversial for the DNC to fully get behind.
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Smarkil
07/20/18 2:59:24 PM
#54:


It would be so much fun to see Hillary run again which at this point is really all I expect out of an election anymore.
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KStateKing17
07/20/18 3:17:09 PM
#55:


BADoglick posted...
Really, none of the above. Possibly Bernie, he would have won this past time, but he's getting to be in his 80s, and I think a lot of people are skeptical of the bigger government and higher taxes. I'd vote for him over Trump, same couldn't be said for Hillary.

Hillary.... if you want to lose even worse this time just go ahead and nominate her again.

Warren is kind of a joke. She appeals to the base but Trump would rip her apart in the debates.

Michelle and Oprah aren't qualified.

Lastly... Joe Biden. How do Democrats just completely ignore his blatant penchant for groping and sniffing women and children? There's tons of photo and video evidence. He's a creep. He's quite likely a pedo. But hey people make memes where he's a funny guy so who cares if he's actually interested in diddling.

Trump has had these same issues and allegations so it might just cancel out with this subject.
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cloelea
07/20/18 3:51:25 PM
#56:


wheres andrew yang
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/20/18 3:54:59 PM
#57:


Zeus posted...
Tardis2015 posted...
Bernie cause he would win over Trump.

I don't like Bernie, but if dems want to win, they should pick him.


lolwut? No, he's pretty much the worst person they could go with.

Lmao. Your ass chose Trump.
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BlackScythe0
07/20/18 3:56:37 PM
#58:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kamala Harris seems like the establishment pick.


Still quite a bit of time before the primaries really get underway so that could change.


Definitely, especially if Hillary decides to sabotage the country again. I'm just saying that it really feels like the establishment and media are working together to get her name and face out there.

I have no clue who is going to run and how the primaries will turn out. I'm just saying I think Harris is going to run and be the preferred candidate for the DNC.


Doubtful. She is very new to Congress. They'd prefer someone more experienced. She's also tossing some ideas out there that may be too controversial for the DNC to fully get behind.


My views really just come from how much attention she is getting despite having never heard her name before.

Just seemed suspicious... "manufactured" if you will.
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McSame_as_Bush
07/20/18 4:45:20 PM
#59:


BlackScythe0 posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kamala Harris seems like the establishment pick.


Still quite a bit of time before the primaries really get underway so that could change.


Definitely, especially if Hillary decides to sabotage the country again. I'm just saying that it really feels like the establishment and media are working together to get her name and face out there.

I have no clue who is going to run and how the primaries will turn out. I'm just saying I think Harris is going to run and be the preferred candidate for the DNC.


Doubtful. She is very new to Congress. They'd prefer someone more experienced. She's also tossing some ideas out there that may be too controversial for the DNC to fully get behind.


My views really just come from how much attention she is getting despite having never heard her name before.

Just seemed suspicious... "manufactured" if you will.


She is definitely getting an increasing amount of attention, but even Obama, who was clearly a rising superstar, didn't get as many endorsements and attention as Hillary in 2008 until he was the clear winner. And Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama. He had only recently joined the Senate just like her.
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MirMiros
07/20/18 4:57:09 PM
#60:


I wouldn't mind Biden, would be slightly weary of Warren/Sanders because they might put off the center. Hell no to Oprah since she has no political experience. Michelle would be the same. Also, seriously, no fucking way would I ever support Hillary again. Having Hillary on the ticket would be just like handing the election over the republicans again.

Honestly though, we need some new blood in the party.
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ninja_lootz
07/20/18 5:46:48 PM
#61:


Joe Biden is a pedophile.
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BlackScythe0
07/20/18 6:30:08 PM
#62:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kamala Harris seems like the establishment pick.


Still quite a bit of time before the primaries really get underway so that could change.


Definitely, especially if Hillary decides to sabotage the country again. I'm just saying that it really feels like the establishment and media are working together to get her name and face out there.

I have no clue who is going to run and how the primaries will turn out. I'm just saying I think Harris is going to run and be the preferred candidate for the DNC.


Doubtful. She is very new to Congress. They'd prefer someone more experienced. She's also tossing some ideas out there that may be too controversial for the DNC to fully get behind.


My views really just come from how much attention she is getting despite having never heard her name before.

Just seemed suspicious... "manufactured" if you will.


She is definitely getting an increasing amount of attention, but even Obama, who was clearly a rising superstar, didn't get as many endorsements and attention as Hillary in 2008 until he was the clear winner. And Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama. He had only recently joined the Senate just like her.


o.0

I'm guessing you misunderstood.

I'm saying I think the DNC is trying to groom her for 2020 to be their favorite. Like Hillary was their favorite in 16.
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blackhrt
07/20/18 6:58:41 PM
#63:


No Independents running? *typical*
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TheCyborgNinja
07/20/18 7:05:39 PM
#64:


Bernie is the best. Most of his "fringe" ideas that the Libertarians get hate boners for will not actually happen. He will be FDR 2 and right the ship a bit.

Overall, I think Joe Biden has the best chance of winning.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/20/18 7:09:30 PM
#65:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
He will be FDR 2

So he'll propose three bad ideas for every good one, attempt to abolish or subvert the Supreme Court, and then have his otherwise shit legacy salvaged when we wind up plunging into a World War that pulls us out of a massive recession?


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BlackScythe0
07/20/18 7:12:28 PM
#66:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
He will be FDR 2

So he'll propose three bad ideas for every good one, attempt to abolish or subvert the Supreme Court, and then have his otherwise shit legacy salvaged when we wind up plunging into a World War that pulls us out of a massive recession?



o.0 No he will save the nation.
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McSame_as_Bush
07/20/18 7:28:40 PM
#67:


BlackScythe0 posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kamala Harris seems like the establishment pick.


Still quite a bit of time before the primaries really get underway so that could change.


Definitely, especially if Hillary decides to sabotage the country again. I'm just saying that it really feels like the establishment and media are working together to get her name and face out there.

I have no clue who is going to run and how the primaries will turn out. I'm just saying I think Harris is going to run and be the preferred candidate for the DNC.


Doubtful. She is very new to Congress. They'd prefer someone more experienced. She's also tossing some ideas out there that may be too controversial for the DNC to fully get behind.


My views really just come from how much attention she is getting despite having never heard her name before.

Just seemed suspicious... "manufactured" if you will.


She is definitely getting an increasing amount of attention, but even Obama, who was clearly a rising superstar, didn't get as many endorsements and attention as Hillary in 2008 until he was the clear winner. And Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama. He had only recently joined the Senate just like her.


o.0

I'm guessing you misunderstood.

I'm saying I think the DNC is trying to groom her for 2020 to be their favorite. Like Hillary was their favorite in 16.


And what I'm saying is they won't, because they want someone with more experience. Hillary had a ton of experience.
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Zeus
07/20/18 7:59:34 PM
#68:


Moonjay posted...
Right now I think it would be extremely foolish for the Democrats to put anything but a white man against Trump. Now is not the time for pushing equality. Now is the time to give people the least amount of reasons to dislike the candidate. Ugly but realistic. I'm not sure they're that smart though.


...literally has nothing to do with race or gender. That's a poor excuse for a candidate's loss which glosses over real issues.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Definitely, especially if Hillary decides to sabotage the country again.


While I lol'd, Hillary wasn't really the problem. Even if Bernie had gotten the nomination (which he never would have; many of the shenanigans complaints were overblown and, in other cases, didn't directly tie to the DNC -- such as Donna Brazile feeding the Hillary camp debate questions then, humorously enough, afterward claiming that the DNC had tried to sway the primary in Hillary's favor), he likely would have lost as well.

KStateKing17 posted...
Trump has had these same issues and allegations so it might just cancel out with this subject.


The difference is that the allegations surrounding Trump don't have him on camera actually doing the things he's been accused of >_>

TheCyborgNinja posted...
Bernie is the best. Most of his "fringe" ideas that the Libertarians get hate boners for will not actually happen. He will be FDR 2 and right the ship a bit.


So he'll have an incestuous affair with his cousin, secretly develop hot-button WMDs, and set up entitlement programs we'll be be paying for centuries to come? =p (And, of course, have history smile on him largely because a world war made American manufacturing relevant.)
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Mead
07/20/18 8:06:48 PM
#69:


Trump says a batshit crazy/offensive thing: He doesnt really mean that, I support him still

Bernie says he wants things to be better for people: Youd have to be a fucking psycho to support such a crazy man!
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blackhrt
07/20/18 8:19:26 PM
#70:


Mead posted...
Trump says a batshit crazy/offensive thing: He doesnt really mean that, I support him still

Bernie says he wants things to be better for people: Youd have to be a fucking psycho to support such a crazy man!


Mead, its too late for us. this is the same country that says they want dwayne johnson to run for president. (dwayne johnson is probably a nice funny guy that knows how to smile in front of a camera play pretend to pay his bills doesn't mean he is ready for running operations of a country)
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ParanoidObsessive
07/20/18 8:54:25 PM
#71:


BlackScythe0 posted...
o.0 No he will save the nation.

So not like FDR at all, then.


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BlackScythe0
07/20/18 9:31:17 PM
#72:


Zeus posted...
While I lol'd, Hillary wasn't really the problem. Even if Bernie had gotten the nomination (which he never would have; many of the shenanigans complaints were overblown and, in other cases, didn't directly tie to the DNC -- such as Donna Brazile feeding the Hillary camp debate questions then, humorously enough, afterward claiming that the DNC had tried to sway the primary in Hillary's favor), he likely would have lost as well.


Full and complete disagreement.
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streamofthesky
07/20/18 9:41:06 PM
#73:


BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
While I lol'd, Hillary wasn't really the problem. Even if Bernie had gotten the nomination (which he never would have; many of the shenanigans complaints were overblown and, in other cases, didn't directly tie to the DNC -- such as Donna Brazile feeding the Hillary camp debate questions then, humorously enough, afterward claiming that the DNC had tried to sway the primary in Hillary's favor), he likely would have lost as well.


Full and complete disagreement.

Yeah, it's amusing how Zeus and the other "center-leftists" keep just claiming Bernie would've lost, or done even worse than Hillary.

The solid Blue and solid Red states would've gone the same no matter who was on the ticket. Bernie would've performed a lot better w/ white working class voters and the Midwest in general, the area which cost Hillary the election due to narrow losses in several states. Bernie could've flipped Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and possibly a few others compared to Hillary's narrow losses.
He'd do worse than her in Virginia and Florida, but she lost Florida anyway.

Not to mention general voter turnout. Less Democrats came out to vote for her than they came out to vote for Obama in 2012, by millions. No one was excited to vote for Hillary Clinton.
He clearly would've done better than her.
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Zeus
07/20/18 11:56:38 PM
#74:


Mead posted...
Trump says a batshit crazy/offensive thing: He doesnt really mean that, I support him still

Bernie says he wants things to be better for people: Youd have to be a fucking psycho to support such a crazy man!


We aren't even getting into the crazy shit Bernie says, like wanting to remove blacks from street corners, suggesting that all women fantasize about being raped, etc. This is JUST his policy and public stances. And, while both Trump and Bernie want things to be better for people, Bernie's ideas are far more damaging to the long-term prospects of the nation.

streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
While I lol'd, Hillary wasn't really the problem. Even if Bernie had gotten the nomination (which he never would have; many of the shenanigans complaints were overblown and, in other cases, didn't directly tie to the DNC -- such as Donna Brazile feeding the Hillary camp debate questions then, humorously enough, afterward claiming that the DNC had tried to sway the primary in Hillary's favor), he likely would have lost as well.


Full and complete disagreement.

Yeah, it's amusing how Zeus and the other "center-leftists" keep just claiming Bernie would've lost, or done even worse than Hillary.

The solid Blue and solid Red states would've gone the same no matter who was on the ticket. Bernie would've performed a lot better w/ white working class voters and the Midwest in general, the area which cost Hillary the election due to narrow losses in several states. Bernie could've flipped Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and possibly a few others compared to Hillary's narrow losses.
He'd do worse than her in Virginia and Florida, but she lost Florida anyway.

Not to mention general voter turnout. Less Democrats came out to vote for her than they came out to vote for Obama in 2012, by millions. No one was excited to vote for Hillary Clinton.
He clearly would've done better than her.


It's amusing that Stream and the other far-leftists think that their far-left candidate who speaks to them yet couldn't even get support in his "own" party (ignoring for a second that Bernie's party isn't the Democrats, who he didn't even bother to affiliate with until just before the election and ditched again immediately afterward) would have a better time swinging the nation. It's probably because these far-leftists ignore that Bernie would up losing by a large margin.

streamofthesky posted...
Not to mention general voter turnout. Less Democrats came out to vote for her than they came out to vote for Obama in 2012, by millions. No one was excited to vote for Hillary Clinton.


1) "Fewer."

2) Had Bernie won, other Democrats wouldn't have bothered coming out. Considering that Hillary polled far stronger among blacks and Latinos -- two of the groups most likely to sit out elections (and both of whom heavily favored Hillary in the primaries) -- it's fully possible that the final tally would be significantly *lower,* not higher.

But sure, keep clinging to your fantasy that Bernie stood a chance. He almost certainly would have done worse. The ONLY thing going for him is that he wasn't an establishment candidate, which wasn't even enough to get him through his primaries.
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Blighboy
07/21/18 12:03:48 AM
#75:


I hope the dems nominate the absolute perfect candidate otherwise I'll have no choice but to vote for the citrus stalin again
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Mead
07/21/18 12:07:27 AM
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The ONLY thing going for him is that he wasn't an establishment candidate


Kinda sounds like the guy that won the election
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BADoglick
07/21/18 1:40:13 AM
#77:


ninja_lootz posted...
Joe Biden is a pedophile.

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BigOlePappy
07/21/18 2:35:50 AM
#78:


Oprah for the lulz
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Monopoman
07/21/18 3:00:01 AM
#79:


blackhrt posted...
Mead posted...
Trump says a batshit crazy/offensive thing: He doesnt really mean that, I support him still

Bernie says he wants things to be better for people: Youd have to be a fucking psycho to support such a crazy man!


Mead, its too late for us. this is the same country that says they want dwayne johnson to run for president. (dwayne johnson is probably a nice funny guy that knows how to smile in front of a camera play pretend to pay his bills doesn't mean he is ready for running operations of a country)

I would rather have The Rock as president over Trump. At least he seems like the type to listen to his advisers and doesn't act like he is by far the smartest guy in the room at all times. The worst person to run a country is a moron that thinks he is a genius.
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KaptainKiro
07/21/18 3:27:29 AM
#80:


pussy ass bernie panders woulda been eaten alive by trump lol

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Zeus
07/21/18 5:05:45 AM
#81:


Mead posted...
The ONLY thing going for him is that he wasn't an establishment candidate


Kinda sounds like the guy that won the election


You mean the guy who was an actual outsider instead of a lifelong politician who, despite being in office far longer than most of his voters had been alive, had foreign policy knowledge equivalent to that election winner who had never held an office of any kind? Honestly, for anybody sick of Washington as usual (one of the major themes of the election), a lifelong politician -- establishment or not -- isn't exactly appealing.

Monopoman posted...
The worst person to run a country is a moron that thinks he is a genius.


Which is why it's great that Bernie Sanders isn't president.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/21/18 5:14:38 AM
#82:


@Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
The ONLY thing going for him is that he wasn't an establishment candidate


Kinda sounds like the guy that won the election


You mean the guy who was an actual outsider instead of a lifelong politician who, despite being in office far longer than most of his voters had been alive, had foreign policy knowledge equivalent to that election winner who had never held an office of any kind? Honestly, for anybody sick of Washington as usual (one of the major themes of the election), a lifelong politician -- establishment or not -- isn't exactly appealing.

Monopoman posted...
The worst person to run a country is a moron that thinks he is a genius.


Which is why it's great that Bernie Sanders isn't president.

Pretending Trump isn't a traitors gotta be hard on your dignity fam.
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BUMPED2002
07/21/18 6:34:34 AM
#83:


I nominate Bob The Builder! LOL
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Blighboy
07/21/18 9:55:27 AM
#84:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Pretending Trump isn't a traitors gotta be hard on your dignity fam.

He's straight up dodged any topic on the subject I imagine his bosses are working overtime to come up with a deflection strategy.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/21/18 12:32:51 PM
#85:


blackhrt posted...
dwayne johnson is probably a nice funny guy that knows how to smile in front of a camera play pretend to pay his bills doesn't mean he is ready for running operations of a country

Smiling in front of a camera and playing pretend has basically been the number one qualification for every President since Kennedy.

If you think you've ever lived in a world where ideology, morals, and actual political qualifications are more important than appearance and PR when running for President, I have a bridge in New York City I would like to sell to you.


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Blighboy
07/21/18 1:21:31 PM
#86:


But a part of that is being able to discuss policy intelligently.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/21/18 1:35:21 PM
#87:


Blighboy posted...
But a part of that is being able to discuss policy intelligently.

No, part of that is being able to lie about policy effectively.


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BlackScythe0
07/21/18 1:39:29 PM
#88:


Zeus posted...
It's amusing that Stream and the other far-leftists think that their far-left candidate who speaks to them yet couldn't even get support in his "own" party (ignoring for a second that Bernie's party isn't the Democrats, who he didn't even bother to affiliate with until just before the election and ditched again immediately afterward) would have a better time swinging the nation. It's probably because these far-leftists ignore that Bernie would up losing by a large margin.


Any argument you think you have is over when you start randomly calling people far leftists.
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Blighboy
07/21/18 1:39:53 PM
#89:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Blighboy posted...
But a part of that is being able to discuss policy intelligently.

No, part of that is being able to lie about policy effectively.


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ParanoidObsessive
07/21/18 1:51:01 PM
#90:


Blighboy posted...
fuck i just cut myself

I'm sorry to disillusion you about the actual nature of PR campaigns and how Presidential politics have worked in the US since before most of us here were born. While it may be more comforting for you to believe that politicians always say exactly what they mean and make every effort to fulfill every campaign promise they make while running, perhaps now you can be a more informed voter in future when you realize that the entire political process is mostly performance art, and politicians care far more for how they're perceived than they do actually representing themselves truthfully, regardless of what political affiliation they otherwise hold.

This may also help you to realize why the politicians who actually seem more sincere about their agendas and ideology as opposed to presenting soundbites and photo ops and trying to seem like some cool guy you'd totally hang out with never actually seem to win.



BlackScythe0 posted...
Any argument you think you have is over when you start randomly calling people far leftists.

To be fair, by that logic he won the argument the moment he was ad hominem'd by the same people he's flinging the shit back at.

Goose, gander, etc.


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Blighboy
07/21/18 3:38:26 PM
#91:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
I'm sorry to disillusion you about the actual nature of PR campaigns and how Presidential politics have worked in the US since before most of us here were born. While it may be more comforting for you to believe that politicians always say exactly what they mean and make every effort to fulfill every campaign promise they make while running, perhaps now you can be a more informed voter in future when you realize that the entire political process is mostly performance art, and politicians care far more for how they're perceived than they do actually representing themselves truthfully, regardless of what political affiliation they otherwise hold.

This may also help you to realize why the politicians who actually seem more sincere about their agendas and ideology as opposed to presenting soundbites and photo ops and trying to seem like some cool guy you'd totally hang out with never actually seem to win.

There are more than extremes that exist within this system though. Your last paragraph even acknowledges the existence of outliers. You're stripping away any complexity or nuance to provide a simple answer.
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ninja_lootz
07/21/18 7:59:08 PM
#92:


I was going to post a picture of Biden getting touchy with kids as a joke, but there's so many and they're so creepy it just made me sad.
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Zeus
07/21/18 9:25:28 PM
#93:


Blighboy posted...
FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Pretending Trump isn't a traitors gotta be hard on your dignity fam.

He's straight up dodged any topic on the subject I imagine his bosses are working overtime to come up with a deflection strategy.


You very rarely have posts or topics worth reading, Bligh. There are some days I've considered tossing you on my ignore list next to ICO and Frnd.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
It's amusing that Stream and the other far-leftists think that their far-left candidate who speaks to them yet couldn't even get support in his "own" party (ignoring for a second that Bernie's party isn't the Democrats, who he didn't even bother to affiliate with until just before the election and ditched again immediately afterward) would have a better time swinging the nation. It's probably because these far-leftists ignore that Bernie would up losing by a large margin.


Any argument you think you have is over when you start randomly calling people far leftists.


Says the guy who wrongly accused me of being a center-leftist. A centrist and a leftist aren't the same thing (the fact that you somehow conflate the two would explain much of your confusion over the years). Otherwise answer the charges I lay at your feet, sir.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
To be fair, by that logic he won the argument the moment he was ad hominem'd by the same people he's flinging the shit back at.


Oh, guess you'd already made that save.

Blighboy posted...
There are more than extremes that exist within this system though. Your last paragraph even acknowledges the existence of outliers. You're stripping away any complexity or nuance to provide a simple answer.


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ninja_lootz posted...
I was going to post a picture of Biden getting touchy with kids as a joke, but there's so many and they're so creepy it just made me sad.


Yeah, they can be a bit much. Even the ones they showed on The Daily Show were kinda disturbing.
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Zeus posted...
You very rarely have posts or topics worth reading, Bligh. There are some days I've considered tossing you on my ignore list next to ICO and Frnd.

Wow, who knew an obvious shitposter wouldn't make meaningful posts most of the time. Is this supposed to sting bro? XD
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