Current Events > Toronto Shooter's gun was illegally smuggled over the border from the US.

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07/25/18 12:45:04 PM
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-shooter-s-gun-was-illegal-originally-from-u-s-source-1.4027129

Your shitty, depraved, inhuman, antiquated gun laws are killing people in the civilized world now. Thanks, jerks.
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SoundNetwork
07/25/18 12:45:31 PM
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This is America
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 12:46:05 PM
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Not so civilized if someone broke the law by smuggling in a weapon and using it to harm others. Get off your high horse.
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Looked gf
07/25/18 12:46:41 PM
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darkjedilink
07/25/18 12:47:28 PM
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Maybe canada should have made murder with a smuggled weapon illegal.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/25/18 12:47:52 PM
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OMG I can't believe gun laws and a border didn't stop this.

Didn't the murderer know they were illegal.
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weekoldhotdog
07/25/18 12:48:19 PM
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Civilised? Didn't a gamefaqs user from Toronto get another gamefaqs user from Chicago to come up to Canada for a mass shooting, only to commit suicide when his gf got caught at the airport?
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07/25/18 12:48:30 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
Not so civilized if someone broke the law by smuggling in a weapon and using it to harm others. Get off your high horse.

darkjedilink posted...
Maybe canada should have made murder with a smuggled weapon illegal.


Behold! Two candidates for potentially the stupidest statements anyone has ever made, ever, of all time, forward and backwards.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
07/25/18 12:49:10 PM
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Sorry eh
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 12:49:18 PM
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How are we candidates for that when you already won the prize with your opening statement?
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07/25/18 12:51:27 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
How are we candidates for that when you already won the prize with your opening statement?

Your reading comprehension is as poorly developed as your critical thinking.

The US is an uncivilized country. Every country has a few depraved and uncivilized people, but when the laws facilitate murder and other abhorrent activities, that country is uncivilized.
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07/25/18 12:53:05 PM
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Did he shoot up Canada because of a lower chance of encountering armed citizens? If he had the gun here, why not shoot up a US place?

Or was he not the one that smuggled the gun?
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 12:55:04 PM
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Imagine posturing as a moral critical thinker when you call the entire US uncivilized for no reason.
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Minute
07/25/18 12:55:13 PM
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_RETS_ posted...
Did he shoot up Canada because of a lower chance of encountering armed citizens? If he had the gun here, why not shoot up a US place?

Or was he not the one that smuggled the gun?

Read the article. He didn't smuggle the gun, he purchased it illegally from a gun smuggler.
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DragonGirlYuki
07/25/18 12:55:36 PM
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Hopefully there isn't any knee jerk reaction for new gun laws since what the shooter did was already illegal.
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07/25/18 12:57:54 PM
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DragonGirlYuki posted...
Hopefully there isn't any knee jerk reaction for new gun laws since what the shooter did was already illegal.

Councillors also voted to request that the provincial and federal governments ban the sale of handguns and ammunition in Toronto. Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.

CTV public safety analyst Chris Lewis, a former commissioner of the Ontario Provincial Police, says it would be difficult for the city to impose such a ban unilaterally. As gun crimes are regulated by the federal government, the citys only option would be to put a gun ban into a bylaw, putting offences on the same level as parking violations.

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silentwing26x
07/25/18 1:00:13 PM
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Minute posted...
Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3509256/4-arrested-1-wanted-in-violent-home-invasion-toronto-police/

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MabusIncarnate
07/25/18 1:02:04 PM
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Oh, hey yeah bud. We are really soory aboot that.
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_RETS_
07/25/18 1:02:29 PM
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Minute posted...
_RETS_ posted...
Did he shoot up Canada because of a lower chance of encountering armed citizens? If he had the gun here, why not shoot up a US place?

Or was he not the one that smuggled the gun?

Read the article. He didn't smuggle the gun, he purchased it illegally from a gun smuggler.


Ain't no body got time for that shit, which is why I asked you, who presumably does have time for that shit.
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Minute
07/25/18 1:02:29 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
Minute posted...
Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3509256/4-arrested-1-wanted-in-violent-home-invasion-toronto-police/

oh

We're not stupid, hyperbolic, and "muh feels" up here. One home invasion does not warrant letting everyone run around with murder tools. That's how you end up in a fucking state of violence like the US.
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07/25/18 1:05:32 PM
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Minute posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Minute posted...
Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3509256/4-arrested-1-wanted-in-violent-home-invasion-toronto-police/

oh

We're not stupid, hyperbolic, and "muh feels" up here. One home invasion does not warrant letting everyone run around with murder tools. That's how you end up in a fucking state of violence like the US.


Even low-balling estimates have instances of defensive gun use around 100,000 annually. Now, if we didn't have so many guns in the hands of bad people, DGU wouldn't be as necessary, but we do, so it is.
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 1:07:33 PM
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Minute posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Minute posted...
Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3509256/4-arrested-1-wanted-in-violent-home-invasion-toronto-police/

oh

We're not stupid, hyperbolic, and "muh feels" up here. One home invasion does not warrant letting everyone run around with murder tools. That's how you end up in a fucking state of violence like the US.


There's a lot more than just one violent home invasion or robbery per year in Toronto, broseph. Toronto is a violent city.

And the US is not in a state of violence. We have a population of 330 million people. The number of mass shooting victims each year is such a low number that it's irrational to be afraid of mass shootings, tragic as they are. You're more likely to die in a car crash or because of obesity.
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VectorChaos
07/25/18 1:07:34 PM
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wtf we love border security now
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Muffinz0rz
07/25/18 1:07:55 PM
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KhanJohnny
07/25/18 1:08:25 PM
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Daily reminder that Toronto has a worse murder rate than NYC this year
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SageHarpuia
07/25/18 1:09:11 PM
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TC how do you feel about border control?
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Kolibri X
07/25/18 1:09:50 PM
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Don't blame your immigrant problems on our gun problems, bub.
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 1:10:00 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
TC how do you feel about border control?


Canadians love to posture about open borders, taking in refugees, etc, because they know they'll never really have that problem since they're surrounded by ocean on three sides and the stable American border on the fourth side.
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DragonGirlYuki
07/25/18 1:10:51 PM
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Minute posted...
Councillors also voted to request that the provincial and federal governments ban the sale of handguns and ammunition in Toronto. Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.

CTV public safety analyst Chris Lewis, a former commissioner of the Ontario Provincial Police, says it would be difficult for the city to impose such a ban unilaterally. As gun crimes are regulated by the federal government, the citys only option would be to put a gun ban into a bylaw, putting offences on the same level as parking violations.

All this does is inconvenience legal gun owners.
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Minute
07/25/18 1:11:05 PM
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Even low-balling estimates have instances of defensive gun use around 100,000 annually. Now, if we didn't have so many guns in the hands of bad people, DGU wouldn't be as necessary, but we do, so it is.

Taking guns out of the hands of bad people is way way way way way way and about fifty more "way"'s better than giving guns to good people, to prevent violent crime.

"b-b-b-but those criminals still get guns illegally" says some pearl-clutching red snowflake.

Sure, some small fraction has the means, motives and financials necessary to go through the much more arduous task of purchasing a firearm illegally. Is it better that 10% of criminals and 0% of innocent folk have firearms, or that 100% of criminals and whatever percent of Americans own firearms?
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Nomadic View
07/25/18 1:11:17 PM
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Looks like evidence that making guns illegal wont stop mass shootings.
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SuperMedz3
07/25/18 1:11:33 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
Minute posted...
Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3509256/4-arrested-1-wanted-in-violent-home-invasion-toronto-police/

oh

ban screwdrivers
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KhanJohnny
07/25/18 1:12:04 PM
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Why the fuck is Toronto so dangerous nowadays? I feel safer in the Bronx than I do there.
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Minute
07/25/18 1:12:24 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
Looks like evidence that making guns illegal wont stop mass shootings.

No, it only drops the rate by a mere 99%.
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 1:14:16 PM
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Minute posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Looks like evidence that making guns illegal wont stop mass shootings.

No, it only drops the rate by a mere 99%.


Mass shootings in America are already very rare despite the large population and the large number of firearms in circulation. So the issue isn't guns, it's something else.
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On_The_Edge
07/25/18 1:15:07 PM
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So what you're saying is that criminals will find a way to get guns if they want em

Cool
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 1:15:53 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
So what you're saying is that criminals will find a way to get guns if they want em

Cool


Or they'll use screwdrivers, trucks, homemade bombs, etc
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DifferentialEquation
07/25/18 1:17:16 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
Minute posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Minute posted...
Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3509256/4-arrested-1-wanted-in-violent-home-invasion-toronto-police/

oh

We're not stupid, hyperbolic, and "muh feels" up here. One home invasion does not warrant letting everyone run around with murder tools. That's how you end up in a fucking state of violence like the US.


There's a lot more than just one violent home invasion or robbery per year in Toronto, broseph. Toronto is a violent city.

And the US is not in a state of violence. We have a population of 330 million people. The number of mass shooting victims each year is such a low number that it's irrational to be afraid of mass shootings, tragic as they are. You're more likely to die in a car crash or because of obesity.


And rifles in general (not just the big scary AR-15, but all rifles) are used in a very small percentage of gun murders.
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darkjedilink
07/25/18 1:17:32 PM
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Minute posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Minute posted...
Mayor John Tory has suggested that he would be in favour of stricter regulations, commenting that he does not see any reason for anybody to possess a gun in Toronto.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3509256/4-arrested-1-wanted-in-violent-home-invasion-toronto-police/

oh

We're not stupid, hyperbolic, and "muh feels" up here. One home invasion does not warrant letting everyone run around with murder tools. That's how you end up in a fucking state of violence like the US.

Nope - you just let murderers run around with murder tools.
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Minute
07/25/18 1:18:19 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
Mass shootings in America are already very rare

Factually incorrect but people like you couldn't be convinced that the sky is blue if your pundits said otherwise.
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Minute
07/25/18 1:18:36 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Nope - you just let murderers run around with murder tools.

See above post.
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silentwing26x
07/25/18 1:18:45 PM
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Minute posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Mass shootings in America are already very rare

Factually incorrect but people like you couldn't be convinced that the sky is blue if your pundits said otherwise.


Oh I get it, you're a "No U" gimmick account right?
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SuperMedz3
07/25/18 1:19:23 PM
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silentwing26x posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
So what you're saying is that criminals will find a way to get guns if they want em

Cool


Or they'll use screwdrivers, trucks, homemade bombs, etc

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darkjedilink
07/25/18 1:20:51 PM
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Minute posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Nope - you just let murderers run around with murder tools.

See above post.

How is it factually incorrect? The only person with the gun during that shooting was the murderer - a gun not even legally sold in Canada. Your police officers either let him walk around with the gun, or you're admitting that law enforcement cannot protect their citizens.
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SuperMedz3
07/25/18 1:22:22 PM
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The police are trigger happy murders so only they should be allowed to have guns to protect us.
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SageHarpuia
07/25/18 1:23:56 PM
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SuperMedz3 posted...
The police are trigger happy murders so only they should be allowed to have guns to protect us.

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_RETS_
07/25/18 1:23:57 PM
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Minute posted...
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Even low-balling estimates have instances of defensive gun use around 100,000 annually. Now, if we didn't have so many guns in the hands of bad people, DGU wouldn't be as necessary, but we do, so it is.

Taking guns out of the hands of bad people is way way way way way way and about fifty more "way"'s better than giving guns to good people, to prevent violent crime.

"b-b-b-but those criminals still get guns illegally" says some pearl-clutching red snowflake.

Sure, some small fraction has the means, motives and financials necessary to go through the much more arduous task of purchasing a firearm illegally. Is it better that 10% of criminals and 0% of innocent folk have firearms, or that 100% of criminals and whatever percent of Americans own firearms?


My post was in response to your "one home invasion" comment which implies defensive use isn't often enough to justify armed citizens. Regardless, you don't want criminals overpowering your citizens and to leave your citizens defenseless. Your "low number of criminals having guns" won't ever happen in the US because the cat is out of the bag, so the next best thing is ensuring citizens are able to defend themselves if necessary.

The majority of gun deaths are from suicides.

That leaves you with about 12k homicides by guns in the US, a massive percentage of which is gang violence.

When you consider all that, is gun violence REALLY that big of a problem when it comes to every day, non-suicidal citizens?

There are non-gang related firearm murders, mass shootings, and accidental gun deaths, but how many deaths do those account for? A couple thousand annually? That's too many still, obviously, but not nearly the "hair on fire" gun problem it is made out to be.
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Powdered_Toast
07/25/18 3:53:58 PM
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KhanJohnny posted...
Why the fuck is Toronto so dangerous nowadays? I feel safer in the Bronx than I do there.

It could have something to do with getting rid of the anti-gang police unit and controversial policing methods.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 3:57:14 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
The police are trigger happy murders so only they should be allowed to have guns to protect us.

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