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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 3:50:54 PM
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kingdrake2
07/25/18 3:52:24 PM
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oh wow, banning them in portland oregon.

i didn't think they would follow em.
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Damn_Underscore
07/25/18 3:52:27 PM
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this can't be constitutional
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 3:53:23 PM
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"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 3:54:29 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
Knowingly infecting someone with AIDS isn't illegal?


nope
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bover_87
07/25/18 3:57:35 PM
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MattSFfrd posted...
but knowingly giving them AIDS is a-ok

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/plastic-straw-ban-santa-barbara-jail-time-punishment/

liberalism is cancer

Congrats on linking to a shitty alt-right clickbait site.
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LightHawKnight
07/25/18 3:57:49 PM
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A max of 6 months or a 1000 $ fine, not that bad, but still wtf.
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voldothegr8
07/25/18 3:58:21 PM
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Giant_Aspirin
07/25/18 3:58:33 PM
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MattSFfrd posted...
"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."


"The city of Santa Barbara has passed an ordinance that will allow restaurant employees to be punished with up to six months of jail time or a $1,000 fine for giving plastic straws to their customers."

you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum. what disingenuous bullshit
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 3:59:13 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
A max of 6 months or a 1000 $ fine, not that bad, but still wtf.


per infraction. a table full of straws = years in jail
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Broseph_Stalin
07/25/18 4:00:02 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
Knowingly infecting someone with AIDS isn't illegal?


It is. Remember, a conservative is always uninformed and hopes you are too.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:00:18 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."


"The city of Santa Barbara has passed an ordinance that will allow restaurant employees to be punished with up to six months of jail time or a $1,000 fine for giving plastic straws to their customers."

you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum. what disingenuous bullshit


you're literally defending FUCKING JAIL TIME FOR HANDING SOMEBODY A STRAW

on a scale of 1-10 how hard do you enjoy the government fucking you?
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Awesome
07/25/18 4:00:20 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."


"The city of Santa Barbara has passed an ordinance that will allow restaurant employees to be punished with up to six months of jail time or a $1,000 fine for giving plastic straws to their customers."

you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum. what disingenuous bullshit


Do you not understand that this law is bizarre to begin with?
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Cornmuffins
07/25/18 4:00:38 PM
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Fair next
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:01:06 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Knowingly infecting someone with AIDS isn't illegal?


It is. Remember, a conservative is always uninformed and hopes you are too.


oh sorry, it's been reduced to a misdemeanor, much better. literally attempted murder is a misdemeanor.
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Awesome
07/25/18 4:01:50 PM
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MattSFfrd posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."


"The city of Santa Barbara has passed an ordinance that will allow restaurant employees to be punished with up to six months of jail time or a $1,000 fine for giving plastic straws to their customers."

you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum. what disingenuous bullshit


you're literally defending FUCKING JAIL TIME FOR HANDING SOMEBODY A STRAW

on a scale of 1-10 how hard do you enjoy the government fucking you?


Political affiliations aside for me, it looks like citizens of the USA do like being abused as long as their cult party is winning .
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XxKrazyChaosxX
07/25/18 4:02:24 PM
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Inmate: I killed a guy. What about you man? What are you in for?

Waiter: I gave someone a plastic straw....

Inmate: That's rough man. Hang in there...
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Broseph_Stalin
07/25/18 4:02:55 PM
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There's a huge difference between something being legal and the punishment being reduced but I understand you can't make a conservative argument without being disingenuous.
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Giant_Aspirin
07/25/18 4:03:37 PM
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MattSFfrd posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."


"The city of Santa Barbara has passed an ordinance that will allow restaurant employees to be punished with up to six months of jail time or a $1,000 fine for giving plastic straws to their customers."

you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum. what disingenuous bullshit


you're literally defending FUCKING JAIL TIME FOR HANDING SOMEBODY A STRAW

on a scale of 1-10 how hard do you enjoy the government fucking you?


im not defending anything. im calling out your disingenuous claims in this topic. you're making it sound like anyone handing out a single straw is automatically going to jail for 6 months, which is clearly not reality.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:03:46 PM
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XxKrazyChaosxX posted...
Inmate: I killed a guy. What about you man? What are you in for?

Waiter: I gave someone a plastic straw....

Inmate: That's rough man. Hang in there...


"i hear a girl a few cells down handed out straws to tables during her entire shift, watch out for that bitch. she's looking at life"
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:04:22 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
im not defending anything. im calling out your disingenuous claims in this topic. you're making it sound like anyone handing out a single straw is automatically going to jail for 6 months, which is clearly not reality.


holy shit
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Broseph_Stalin
07/25/18 4:05:54 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
Why did you lie to me?


Broseph_Stalin posted...
you can't make a conservative argument without being disingenuous.


https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/new-california-law-reduces-penalty-knowingly-exposing-someone-hiv-n809416

tl;dr having severe penalties for knowingly exposing it (which is hard to prove btw) just causes people to avoid getting tested and unknowingly expose people to it.
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LedZeppelin
07/25/18 4:05:58 PM
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as if we needed any more proof that liberals are completely batshit crazy
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DarkTransient
07/25/18 4:07:08 PM
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MattSFfrd posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."


"The city of Santa Barbara has passed an ordinance that will allow restaurant employees to be punished with up to six months of jail time or a $1,000 fine for giving plastic straws to their customers."

you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum. what disingenuous bullshit


you're literally defending FUCKING JAIL TIME FOR HANDING SOMEBODY A STRAW

on a scale of 1-10 how hard do you enjoy the government fucking you?


As much as I agree this law is stupid, pointing out "the law isn't as bad as you're claiming" is not the same thing as outright defending it.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:08:24 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
"Each individual straw counts as a separate infraction, meaning that if someone got busted handing out straws to a table of four people, he or she could end up facing years behind bars."


"The city of Santa Barbara has passed an ordinance that will allow restaurant employees to be punished with up to six months of jail time or a $1,000 fine for giving plastic straws to their customers."

you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum. what disingenuous bullshit


you're literally defending FUCKING JAIL TIME FOR HANDING SOMEBODY A STRAW

on a scale of 1-10 how hard do you enjoy the government fucking you?


As much as I agree this law is stupid, pointing out "the law isn't as bad as you're claiming" is not the same thing as outright defending it.


no, but it's completely avoiding the point on purpose
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mistalightbulb
07/25/18 4:08:36 PM
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MattSFfrd posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
A max of 6 months or a 1000 $ fine, not that bad, but still wtf.


per infraction. a table full of straws = years in jail

You're so fucking stupid
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eggcorn
07/25/18 4:08:48 PM
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kingdrake2 posted...
oh wow, banning them in portland oregon.

i didn't think they would follow em.

Everything California does, the rest of the country eventually follows suit.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:09:14 PM
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mistalightbulb posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
A max of 6 months or a 1000 $ fine, not that bad, but still wtf.


per infraction. a table full of straws = years in jail

You're so fucking stupid


it's per infraction. it's literally that.
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Solid Sonic
07/25/18 4:09:19 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Knowingly infecting someone with AIDS isn't illegal?


It is. Remember, a conservative is always uninformed and hopes you are too.

I know for a fact precedent exists for convicting a man of multiple murders for having sex when diagnosed with AIDS so anyone who says it isn't is full of shit.
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glitteringfairy
07/25/18 4:09:23 PM
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MattSFfrd posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
im not defending anything. im calling out your disingenuous claims in this topic. you're making it sound like anyone handing out a single straw is automatically going to jail for 6 months, which is clearly not reality.


holy shit

Aspirin does have a point albeit small but that aside the fact that giving a straw to someone is punishable by legal consequences of ANY kind if complete fucking lunacy
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spanky1
07/25/18 4:10:19 PM
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Demolition Man, everybody.
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Giant_Aspirin
07/25/18 4:12:48 PM
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According to the ordinance, violators on their first offense will be given a written warning notice

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/jail-time-for-defying-plastic-straw-ban

so the only way you can possibly get "6 months in jail for giving somebody a straw" is if you did it once, got warned and then blatantly chose to ignore the law.

im not giving my $0.02 on the sensibilities of a plastic straw ban, but if you're a server and you end up in jail over this it's really your own fault.
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VandorLee
07/25/18 4:13:00 PM
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What if someone frames or denies it?

Like proving someone did or didnt give you a plastic straw could be either too hard to prove they did or too easy to lie that someone did give you a straw.
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darkjedilink
07/25/18 4:13:26 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
A max of 6 months or a 1000 $ fine, not that bad, but still wtf.

For a FUCKING STRAW.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:14:06 PM
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It is hard to fathom the courage required to join the campaign against plastic straws. Big Straw is very powerful. Run afoul of them and face real consequences. I'm blown away by the sheer heroism of those who fight to liberate society from the tyranny of the straw. Thank you!
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VandorLee
07/25/18 4:15:14 PM
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"Thats it, this is the last straw! No, wait! I didnt mean...."
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:15:40 PM
#41:


VandorLee posted...
"Thats it, this is the last straw! No, wait! I didnt mean...."


SIX MONTHS FOR YOU BUCKO
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glitteringfairy
07/25/18 4:16:16 PM
#42:


VandorLee posted...
What if someone frames or denies it?

Like proving someone did or didnt give you a plastic straw could be either too hard to prove they did or too easy to lie that someone did give you a straw.

California will probably allocate money to police tasks forces to go into restaurants and ask for straws
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VandorLee
07/25/18 4:18:11 PM
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Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.
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bover_87
07/25/18 4:19:41 PM
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VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.

Possession of a plastic straw isn't illegal, giving them out in public establishments is.
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Broseph_Stalin
07/25/18 4:22:21 PM
#46:


VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.


Stupid shit like stupid people commenting on something they know nothing about does happen, yes.
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VandorLee
07/25/18 4:23:22 PM
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bover_87 posted...
VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.

Possession of a plastic straw isn't illegal, giving them out in public establishments is.


So go in an establishment with straws on hand, throw em in your glass and call the cops.

"911, whats your emergency?"

"Our waiter just brought us our drinks!"

"Sir, thats not an emergency."

"With straws!"

"Holy shit! Try to remain calm! Weve sent 3 patrol cars to your location!"
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VandorLee
07/25/18 4:24:06 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.


Stupid shit like stupid people commenting on something they know nothing about does happen, yes.


You sound like one of those fucking straw servers!
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LightHawKnight
07/25/18 4:24:25 PM
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VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.


You would be the one getting jail time then...
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VandorLee
07/25/18 4:25:45 PM
#51:


LightHawKnight posted...
VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.


You would be the one getting jail time then...


My lawyer begs to differ.
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