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Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 10:57:37 AM #1:	Waking Up with Sam Harris #134 - Beyond the Politics of Race (with Coleman Hughes) 2 hour video, doesn't start until about 12m in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqtZTMQiupg" data-time=" They have the conversation that the radical racialist leftists desperately need to listen to for a little introspection on the path they're going down. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905962692] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Waking Up with Sam Harris #134 - Beyond the Politics of Race (with Coleman Hughes) 2 hour video, doesn't start until about 12m in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqtZTMQiupg" data-time=" They have the conversation that the radical racialist leftists desperately need to listen to for a little introspection on the path they're going down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 07/30/18 10:58:14 AM #2:	Two hours fuck that. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:905962718] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Two hours fuck that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stewman_Magoo 07/30/18 10:58:29 AM #3:	I live Harris, though I'm pretty behind on his episodes. The one about UBI was interesting. --- /thread <cite>Stewman_Magoo posted [p:905962724] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I live Harris, though I'm pretty behind on his episodes. The one about UBI was interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l Dudeboy l 07/30/18 10:58:30 AM #4:	tl;dw --- You are now breathing manually. Lets put a little lead in the air, and see what falls over. <cite>l Dudeboy l posted [p:905962725] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>tl;dw</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lasergun 07/30/18 10:59:01 AM #5:	I'm not watching a 2 hour conversation that's been linked to by some eternal troll. <cite>lasergun posted [p:905962755] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I'm not watching a 2 hour conversation that's been linked to by some eternal troll.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/30/18 10:59:45 AM #6:	Transcript, please. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905962786] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Transcript, please.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 07/30/18 11:01:26 AM #7:	It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them. --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:905962872] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 07/30/18 11:01:26 AM #8:	Downloaded it on my podcast app to check out. --- "I also advised their executives through e-mail that further behavior could result in a cyber attack[...]" https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:905962873] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Downloaded it on my podcast app to check out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 11:01:44 AM #9:	Stewman_Magoo posted... I live Harris, though I'm pretty behind on his episodes. The one about UBI was interesting. Andrew Yang? Yeah, he's my current go-to candidate for the Democratic nomination. That was a great episode... actually that was the last one I linked on here. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905962886] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Stewman_Magoo posted...</cite> <quote>I live Harris, though I'm pretty behind on his episodes. The one about UBI was interesting.</quote> Andrew Yang? Yeah, he's my current go-to candidate for the Democratic nomination. That was a great episode... actually that was the last one I linked on here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Renault 07/30/18 11:03:10 AM #10:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Sam Harris may as well read the daily stormer while you're at it --- https://imgur.com/qbYPiai <cite>Renault posted [p:905962959] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Sam Harris</quote> may as well read the daily stormer while you're at it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 11:03:53 AM #11:	tremain07 posted... It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them. No and shut up. Neither of them are conservative. Giving such a glib response only shows how important their version of the conversation is, and the great this is, if they actually said anything you could counter, you would, instead of taking such a lazy, dishonest, troll approach. x10 @ Renault --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905962990] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them.</quote> No and shut up. Neither of them are conservative. Giving such a glib response only shows how important their version of the conversation is, and the great this is, if they actually said anything you could counter, you would, instead of taking such a lazy, dishonest, troll approach. x10 @ Renault</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 11:04:00 AM #12:	Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905962994] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/30/18 11:06:45 AM #13:	I don't really trust a supporter of eugenics to link to a valuable conversation about race. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:905963125] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I don't really trust a supporter of eugenics to link to a valuable conversation about race.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/30/18 11:06:53 AM #14:	legendary_zell posted... You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. It works fine, when the point is gotten across in a handful of minutes, instead of a hundred twenty. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905963131] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> It works fine, when the point is gotten across in a handful of minutes, instead of a hundred twenty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 11:07:43 AM #15:	legendary_zell posted... This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives I'm not a social conservative nor are they. What's really unhealthy is pretending that comprehensive conversations are "just echo chambers". Also, nice tie in with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, both of who Sam disagrees with on many/most issues. God damn you're dishonest. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905963163] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives</quote> I'm not a social conservative nor are they. What's really unhealthy is pretending that comprehensive conversations are "just echo chambers". Also, nice tie in with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, both of who Sam disagrees with on many/most issues. God damn you're dishonest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 07/30/18 11:07:55 AM #16:	tremain07 posted... It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them. Is that not exactly what we would expect from Sam Harris? Like that's not a new opinion from him, or the sphere of people surrounding him. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:905963171] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them.</quote> Is that not exactly what we would expect from Sam Harris? Like that's not a new opinion from him, or the sphere of people surrounding him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 11:08:52 AM #17:	I both listened to this podcast and also had already read some of Coleman Hughes' articles on Quillette. This guy (Coleman Hughes) is really smart. I really hope he gets more of a platform in the future. I agreed with virtually everything he said in the Sam Harris interview. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905963213] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I both listened to this podcast and also had already read some of Coleman Hughes' articles on Quillette. This guy (Coleman Hughes) is really smart. I really hope he gets more of a platform in the future. I agreed with virtually everything he said in the Sam Harris interview.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 11:09:57 AM #19:	I may listen to this if I have time, since I like Sam Harris even though I think he's wrong and somewhat dumb about some things, but I'm not impressed with this guest at all based on the only thing I can find from him: https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905963255] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I may listen to this if I have time, since I like Sam Harris even though I think he's wrong and somewhat dumb about some things, but I'm not impressed with this guest at all based on the only thing I can find from him: https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 11:10:04 AM #20:	tremain07 posted... It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them. You either didn't listen to it at all or you ignored all of the evidence he presented. Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905963264] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>It took them two hours to say that racism is actually the fault of liberals and conservatives are just defending themselves and their race against outrageous and unfair attacks again them.</quote> You either didn't listen to it at all or you ignored all of the evidence he presented. Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MelzezDoor 07/30/18 11:10:26 AM #21:	l Dudeboy l posted... tl;dw Questionmarktarius posted... Transcript, please. --- https://imgur.com/ARaZB2G https://imgur.com/LvEUiSl <cite>MelzezDoor posted [p:905963286] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>tl;dw</quote> <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Transcript, please.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueJester007 07/30/18 11:12:00 AM #22:	Im listening to it now. Will I be able to remember a thing they said by the end? Probably not. But hey, I listened. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905963357] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Im listening to it now. Will I be able to remember a thing they said by the end? Probably not. But hey, I listened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/30/18 11:12:48 AM #23:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... I'm not a social conservative nor are they actually yes you are and yes sam is <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905963391] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not a social conservative nor are they</quote> actually yes you are and yes sam is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 11:14:58 AM #24:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... legendary_zell posted... This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives I'm not a social conservative nor are they. What's really unhealthy is pretending that comprehensive conversations are "just echo chambers". Also, nice tie in with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, both of who Sam disagrees with on many/most issues. God damn you're dishonest. Dude, we can see your post history. You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race, immigration, etc. Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905963488] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives</quote> I'm not a social conservative nor are they. What's really unhealthy is pretending that comprehensive conversations are "just echo chambers". Also, nice tie in with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, both of who Sam disagrees with on many/most issues. God damn you're dishonest.</quote> Dude, we can see your post history. You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race, immigration, etc. Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 11:46:40 AM #25:	legendary_zell posted... . You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race In what way? You act like I'm pro-segregation or some insane thing like that. It's not conservative to recognize what they cover in the video. What exactly position are you referring to and why is that the litmus test for social liberalism? I was making my bones as a proponent of liberal positions, like gay marriage specifically, over a decade before Obama took it and before most of the kiddies were even on this fucking site. Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics. It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is fucking bad full stop. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905964887] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>. You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race</quote> In what way? You act like I'm pro-segregation or some insane thing like that. It's not conservative to recognize what they cover in the video. What exactly position are you referring to and why is that the litmus test for social liberalism? I was making my bones as a proponent of liberal positions, like gay marriage specifically, over a decade before Obama took it and before most of the kiddies were even on this fucking site. <quote>Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics. </quote> It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is fucking bad full stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 07/30/18 11:49:30 AM #26:	I thought this was going to be about NASCAR. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:905965002] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I thought this was going to be about NASCAR.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/30/18 11:49:31 AM #27:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is f*ing bad full stop. anarchy juiblex, a supporter of eugenics and genocide doesnt understand that brown identity politics is a response to white identity politics? color me shocked. <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905965003] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is f*ing bad full stop.</quote> anarchy juiblex, a supporter of eugenics and genocide doesnt understand that brown identity politics is a response to white identity politics? color me shocked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueJester007 07/30/18 11:51:00 AM #28:	Alphamon posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is f*ing bad full stop. anarchy juiblex, a supporter of eugenics and genocide doesnt understand that brown identity politics is a response to white identity politics? color me shocked. His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905965067] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is f*ing bad full stop.</quote> anarchy juiblex, a supporter of eugenics and genocide doesnt understand that brown identity politics is a response to white identity politics? color me shocked.</quote> His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/30/18 11:52:06 AM #29:	BlueJester007 posted... His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it. yeah fuck the civil rights movement and gay rights movements. identity politics is always bad. there is no nuance necessary! <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905965117] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote>His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it.</quote> yeah fuck the civil rights movement and gay rights movements. identity politics is always bad. there is no nuance necessary!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 07/30/18 11:53:16 AM #30:	I doubt a 2 hour long video of someone crying about leftists will be even mildly interesting --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:905965176] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I doubt a 2 hour long video of someone crying about leftists will be even mildly interesting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueJester007 07/30/18 11:54:36 AM #32:	Alphamon posted... BlueJester007 posted... His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it. yeah fuck the civil rights movement and gay rights movements. identity politics is always bad. there is no nuance necessary! It is. You dont put out a fire by adding gasoline to it. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905965250] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote>His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it.</quote> yeah fuck the civil rights movement and gay rights movements. identity politics is always bad. there is no nuance necessary!</quote> It is. You dont put out a fire by adding gasoline to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 11:55:06 AM #33:	USER INFO: ALPHAMON Russia User User Since: Jul 2018 Karma: 14 Active Posts: 49 Total Badges: 3 --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905965269] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>USER INFO: ALPHAMON Russia User User Since: Jul 2018 Karma: 14 Active Posts: 49 Total Badges: 3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 11:55:21 AM #34:	MC_BatCommander posted... I doubt a 2 hour long video of someone crying about leftists will be even mildly interesting ^ Proof we have a culture where views are dismissed before they are even listened to. You can't even know what would be said, yet you know it's crap. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905965287] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote>I doubt a 2 hour long video of someone crying about leftists will be even mildly interesting</quote> ^ Proof we have a culture where views are dismissed before they are even listened to. You can't even know what would be said, yet you know it's crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/30/18 11:55:38 AM #35:	BlueJester007 posted... Alphamon posted... BlueJester007 posted... His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it. yeah fuck the civil rights movement and gay rights movements. identity politics is always bad. there is no nuance necessary! It is. You dont put out a fire by adding gasoline to it. lmao are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? get the fuck out and close your account. <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905965302] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote>His point is that identity politics in general is bad, no matter who creates it.</quote> yeah fuck the civil rights movement and gay rights movements. identity politics is always bad. there is no nuance necessary!</quote> It is. You dont put out a fire by adding gasoline to it.</quote>lmao are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? get the fuck out and close your account.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 07/30/18 11:56:52 AM #36:	Sativa_Rose posted... MC_BatCommander posted... I doubt a 2 hour long video of someone crying about leftists will be even mildly interesting ^ Proof we have a culture where views are dismissed before they are even listened to. You can't even know what would be said, yet you know it's crap. I'm not dismissing anyone's views, I just don't want to dedicate two hours of time on a subject I don't care about --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:905965367] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote>I doubt a 2 hour long video of someone crying about leftists will be even mildly interesting</quote> ^ Proof we have a culture where views are dismissed before they are even listened to. You can't even know what would be said, yet you know it's crap.</quote> I'm not dismissing anyone's views, I just don't want to dedicate two hours of time on a subject I don't care about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/30/18 11:57:42 AM #37:	Sativa_Rose posted... tremain07 posted... Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905965393] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote> Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/</quote></quote> Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:01:07 PM #38:	Antifar posted... Sativa_Rose posted... tremain07 posted... Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634 I remember when a PhD student criticizing an undergraduate student's essay was a thing that happened in the classroom instead of as an element of our public discourse lol --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905965545] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote> Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/</quote></quote> Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634</quote> I remember when a PhD student criticizing an undergraduate student's essay was a thing that happened in the classroom instead of as an element of our public discourse lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueJester007 07/30/18 12:01:20 PM #39:	Alphamon posted... are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905965552] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad?</quote> Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/30/18 12:01:30 PM #40:	oh he has a trump avatar. no wonder. <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905965561] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>oh he has a trump avatar. no wonder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alphamon 07/30/18 12:02:13 PM #42:	BlueJester007 posted... Alphamon posted... are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work. reminder. all trump voters are bad people. <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905965595] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad?</quote> Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work.</quote> reminder. all trump voters are bad people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueJester007 07/30/18 12:03:11 PM #43:	--- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905965645] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote> --- Donald Trump is under your bed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 12:05:16 PM #44:	Antifar posted... Sativa_Rose posted... tremain07 posted... Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634 He only addresses some of the arguments laid out by Hughes. Basically the point of disagreement is over to what extent the current gap can be attributable to slavery and other racist policies. He falls short of actually claiming that these historical factors are what cause 100% of the wealth gap, though, but it's what his argument implies. He doesn't address the arguments about current spending habits. I'll quote from Hughes' article for an example: To make matters worse, spending patterns are just one part of a larger set of financial skills on which blacks lag behind. Researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis followed over 40,000 families from 1989 to 2013, tracking their wealth accumulation and financial decisions. They developed a financial health scale, ranging from 0 to 5, that measured the degree to which families made routine financial health choices that contribute to wealth accumulatione.g., saving any amount of money, paying credit card bills on time, having a low debt-to-income ratio, etc. At 3.12, Asian families scored the highest, followed by whites at 3.11, Hispanics at 2.71, and blacks at 2.63. Next, they asked if education accounted for the differences in financial habits by limiting the comparison to middle-aged families with advanced degrees. Surprisingly, they found that the racial gap in financial health-scores didnt shrink; it widened. Highly-educated Asian families scored 3.49, comparable whites scored 3.38, comparable Hispanics scored 2.94, and comparable blacks remained far behind at 2.66. Thus, the study authors concluded, neither periodic shortages of time or money nor lower educational attainment were the driving forces behind the differences in financial decision-making. Many find it hard to confront such data. People worry that discussing behaviors that blacks disproportionately engage in represents a backslide into white supremacy and racist stereotyping. Ibram X. Kendi expresses this concern in his New York Times bestseller Stamped from the Beginning: When you truly believe that racial groups are equal, then you also believe that racial disparities must be the result of racial discrimination. But this makes no sense. Is it racist to observe that whites are more likely to drive drunk than blacks are? Is it racist to assert that black immigrants in the UK outscore comparable white Britons on standardized tests? Is it racist to observe that black American culture has produced a higher number of musical icons than Asian-American culture has? And if its not racist to mention these facts, then why is it racist to mention the same kinds of facts when they run in the opposite direction? Moreover, cultural differences can even cause disparities between groups that belong to the same race, as with the aforementioned wealth disparities between black Americans and black Caribbeans living in Boston, or the nearly 4-to-1 income ratio between Taiwanese-Americans and Hmong-Americans. Discussing the different patterns of behavior that underlie such intra-racial disparities cannot be racist, by definition. Race and culture, though often correlated, are entirely different concepts. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905965748] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote> Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/</quote></quote> Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634</quote> He only addresses some of the arguments laid out by Hughes. Basically the point of disagreement is over to what extent the current gap can be attributable to slavery and other racist policies. He falls short of actually claiming that these historical factors are what cause 100% of the wealth gap, though, but it's what his argument implies. He doesn't address the arguments about current spending habits. I'll quote from Hughes' article for an example: <quote>To make matters worse, spending patterns are just one part of a larger set of financial skills on which blacks lag behind. Researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis followed over 40,000 families from 1989 to 2013, tracking their wealth accumulation and financial decisions. They developed a financial health scale, ranging from 0 to 5, that measured the degree to which families made routine financial health choices that contribute to wealth accumulatione.g., saving any amount of money, paying credit card bills on time, having a low debt-to-income ratio, etc. At 3.12, Asian families scored the highest, followed by whites at 3.11, Hispanics at 2.71, and blacks at 2.63. Next, they asked if education accounted for the differences in financial habits by limiting the comparison to middle-aged families with advanced degrees. Surprisingly, they found that the racial gap in financial health-scores didnt shrink; it widened. Highly-educated Asian families scored 3.49, comparable whites scored 3.38, comparable Hispanics scored 2.94, and comparable blacks remained far behind at 2.66. Thus, the study authors concluded, neither periodic shortages of time or money nor lower educational attainment were the driving forces behind the differences in financial decision-making. Many find it hard to confront such data. People worry that discussing behaviors that blacks disproportionately engage in represents a backslide into white supremacy and racist stereotyping. Ibram X. Kendi expresses this concern in his New York Times bestseller Stamped from the Beginning: When you truly believe that racial groups are equal, then you also believe that racial disparities must be the result of racial discrimination. But this makes no sense. Is it racist to observe that whites are more likely to drive drunk than blacks are? Is it racist to assert that black immigrants in the UK outscore comparable white Britons on standardized tests? Is it racist to observe that black American culture has produced a higher number of musical icons than Asian-American culture has? And if its not racist to mention these facts, then why is it racist to mention the same kinds of facts when they run in the opposite direction? Moreover, cultural differences can even cause disparities between groups that belong to the same race, as with the aforementioned wealth disparities between black Americans and black Caribbeans living in Boston, or the nearly 4-to-1 income ratio between Taiwanese-Americans and Hmong-Americans. Discussing the different patterns of behavior that underlie such intra-racial disparities cannot be racist, by definition. Race and culture, though often correlated, are entirely different concepts.</quote> https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/</quote> ... 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Taharqa_ 07/30/18 12:06:36 PM #45:	BlueJester007 posted... Alphamon posted... are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work. ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens. --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:905965811] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad?</quote> Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work.</quote> ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/30/18 12:06:55 PM #46:	Balrog0 posted... I may listen to this if I have time, since I like Sam Harris even though I think he's wrong and somewhat dumb about some things, but I'm not impressed with this guest at all based on the only thing I can find from him: https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html If you are interested I would check out his Quillette articles <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905965833] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I may listen to this if I have time, since I like Sam Harris even though I think he's wrong and somewhat dumb about some things, but I'm not impressed with this guest at all based on the only thing I can find from him: https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html</quote> If you are interested I would check out his Quillette articles</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueJester007 07/30/18 12:07:07 PM #47:	Taharqa_ posted... BlueJester007 posted... Alphamon posted... are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work. ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens. Nice race-baiting. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905965841] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad?</quote> Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work.</quote> ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens.</quote> Nice race-baiting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/30/18 12:10:18 PM #49:	Balrog0 posted... Antifar posted... Sativa_Rose posted... tremain07 posted... Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634 I remember when a PhD student criticizing an undergraduate student's essay was a thing that happened in the classroom instead of as an element of our public discourse lol It's a shame that the PhD student has to preface it with "Bullshit Article" then slander the site that its on in an attempt to preload a bunch of negative biases towards it That is how discourse is now though <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905966016] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote> Just read one of Coleman Hughes' articles if you don't want to listen to the podcast. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/</quote></quote> Read this, about the errors of that article, instead https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/1020001327496261634</quote> I remember when a PhD student criticizing an undergraduate student's essay was a thing that happened in the classroom instead of as an element of our public discourse lol</quote> It's a shame that the PhD student has to preface it with "Bullshit Article" then slander the site that its on in an attempt to preload a bunch of negative biases towards it That is how discourse is now though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 12:11:24 PM #50:	Romes187 posted... It's a shame that the PhD student has to preface it with "Bullshit Article" then slander the site that its on in an attempt to preload a bunch of negative biases towards it That is how discourse is now though This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905966070] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a shame that the PhD student has to preface it with "Bullshit Article" then slander the site that its on in an attempt to preload a bunch of negative biases towards it That is how discourse is now though </quote> This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 07/30/18 12:11:34 PM #51:	BlueJester007 posted... Taharqa_ posted... BlueJester007 posted... Alphamon posted... are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work. ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens. Nice race-baiting. Then what are you doing? Help me out because your stance leads me to believe that's where you are. If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive. Which is it? --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:905966084] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad?</quote> Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work.</quote> ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens.</quote> Nice race-baiting.</quote> Then what are you doing? Help me out because your stance leads me to believe that's where you are. If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive. Which is it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/30/18 12:12:10 PM #52:	Taharqa_ posted... BlueJester007 posted... Taharqa_ posted... BlueJester007 posted... Alphamon posted... are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad? Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work. ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens. Nice race-baiting. Then what are you doing? Help me out because your stance leads me to believe that's where you are. If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive. Which is it? dude he is a trump supporter. hes all 4. <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905966112] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>are you seriously saying the civil rights movement was bad?</quote> Fighting identity politics with identity politics doesnt work.</quote> ^This user has no problem with non-whites being second class citizens.</quote> Nice race-baiting.</quote> Then what are you doing? Help me out because your stance leads me to believe that's where you are. If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive. Which is it?</quote> dude he is a trump supporter. hes all 4.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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