Current Events > Stage banning really is pretty stupid for Smash tournaments

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voldothegr8 08/06/18 9:09:58 AM #51:	Irony posted... Behaviorism posted... Middle hope posted... Fox only Final destination No items And that's fun? Fuck out of here Competitive isn't meant to be fun If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906357518] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Fox only Final destination No items</quote> And that's fun? Fuck out of here</quote> Competitive isn't meant to be fun</quote> If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 08/06/18 9:10:56 AM #52:	voldothegr8 posted... Irony posted... Behaviorism posted... Middle hope posted... Fox only Final destination No items And that's fun? Fuck out of here Competitive isn't meant to be fun If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it. They think they can become gods --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:906357550] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Fox only Final destination No items</quote> And that's fun? Fuck out of here</quote> Competitive isn't meant to be fun</quote> If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it.</quote> They think they can become gods</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/06/18 9:11:27 AM #53:	Irony posted... voldothegr8 posted... Irony posted... Behaviorism posted... Middle hope posted... Fox only Final destination No items And that's fun? Fuck out of here Competitive isn't meant to be fun If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it. They think they can become gods And have fun trying. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906357566] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Fox only Final destination No items</quote> And that's fun? Fuck out of here</quote> Competitive isn't meant to be fun</quote> If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it.</quote> They think they can become gods</quote> And have fun trying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 08/06/18 9:11:54 AM #54:	Well smash isn't a fighting game so the dumb restrictions make sense. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:906357579] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>Well smash isn't a fighting game so the dumb restrictions make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 08/06/18 9:18:04 AM #55:	95% of banned stages are completely justified in being banned hazards and walk offs have no business in competitive play --- https://i.imgtc.com/hB9W4JK.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:906357745] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>95% of banned stages are completely justified in being banned hazards and walk offs have no business in competitive play</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/06/18 9:32:00 AM #56:	I dunno, I don't understand why it matters what people do in a tournament setting. It isn't like me and my friends have to play that way lol --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:906358187] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>I dunno, I don't understand why it matters what people do in a tournament setting. It isn't like me and my friends have to play that way lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 08/06/18 10:34:00 AM #57:	voldothegr8 posted... Irony posted... voldothegr8 posted... Irony posted... Behaviorism posted... Middle hope posted... Fox only Final destination No items And that's fun? Fuck out of here Competitive isn't meant to be fun If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it. They think they can become gods And have fun trying. Whether or not it's fun to you and me is irrelevant to whether or not it's fun to them. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:906360534] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Fox only Final destination No items</quote> And that's fun? Fuck out of here</quote> Competitive isn't meant to be fun</quote> If that was the case nobody would play. They certainly aren't doing it for the money since only gods could make a living from it.</quote> They think they can become gods</quote> And have fun trying.</quote> Whether or not it's fun to you and me is irrelevant to whether or not it's fun to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 12:00:59 PM #58:	I can't think of any stages that weren't ban for their polarizing effects of gameplay. Walk-offs are bad because optimized gameplay involves camping, large stages are banned because they promote camping, etc. The only crowd that takes issue with the concept of stage banning are non-competitors who would in equal fashion hate the game if they had to endure pools play where people played on shit like Temple in a competitive setting. The idea that the game would be more fun with a full stage list is only really true for the crowd that doesn't even competitively play it, and it wouldn't even be fun when they fight experienced players on exploitable stages. They'd just complain that how they lost was cheap. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906364429] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>I can't think of any stages that weren't ban for their polarizing effects of gameplay. Walk-offs are bad because optimized gameplay involves camping, large stages are banned because they promote camping, etc. The only crowd that takes issue with the concept of stage banning are non-competitors who would in equal fashion hate the game if they had to endure pools play where people played on shit like Temple in a competitive setting. The idea that the game would be more fun with a full stage list is only really true for the crowd that doesn't even competitively play it, and it wouldn't even be fun when they fight experienced players on exploitable stages. They'd just complain that how they lost was cheap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 12:09:27 PM #59:	like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906364826] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 08/06/18 12:11:58 PM #60:	What's that huge ass level where you can die by being sent into the lava on the ceiling and stuff? Yeah it's fun to play with a lot of players and it's not all serious, but I couldnt imagine playing that stage competitively. --- No one sings like you anymore <cite>WaterLink posted [p:906364952] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>What's that huge ass level where you can die by being sent into the lava on the ceiling and stuff? Yeah it's fun to play with a lot of players and it's not all serious, but I couldnt imagine playing that stage competitively.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 12:13:30 PM #61:	WaterLink posted... What's that huge ass level where you can die by being sent into the lava on the ceiling and stuff? Yeah it's fun to play with a lot of players and it's not all serious, but I couldnt imagine playing that stage competitively. great cave offensive i hate it casually even --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906365022] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>WaterLink posted...</cite> <quote>What's that huge ass level where you can die by being sent into the lava on the ceiling and stuff? Yeah it's fun to play with a lot of players and it's not all serious, but I couldnt imagine playing that stage competitively.</quote> great cave offensive i hate it casually even</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/06/18 12:15:29 PM #62:	Zero_Destroyer posted... WaterLink posted... What's that huge ass level where you can die by being sent into the lava on the ceiling and stuff? Yeah it's fun to play with a lot of players and it's not all serious, but I couldnt imagine playing that stage competitively. great cave offensive i hate it casually even Yeah probably the worst Smash stage ever. Definitely top 3 worst. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906365097] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WaterLink posted...</cite> <quote>What's that huge ass level where you can die by being sent into the lava on the ceiling and stuff? Yeah it's fun to play with a lot of players and it's not all serious, but I couldnt imagine playing that stage competitively.</quote> great cave offensive i hate it casually even</quote> Yeah probably the worst Smash stage ever. Definitely top 3 worst.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/06/18 12:22:51 PM #63:	Zero_Destroyer posted... like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906365472] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win</quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 08/06/18 12:24:03 PM #64:	darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. Damn, why'd you have to beat me to it lol? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:906365523] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote> like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win</quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> Damn, why'd you have to beat me to it lol?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 12:27:41 PM #65:	darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906365724] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/06/18 12:42:33 PM #66:	Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906366438] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeneralKenobi85 08/06/18 12:46:42 PM #67:	darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. Imagine being this triggered by others enjoying something you don't like. --- Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi <sneaky beeping> <cite>GeneralKenobi85 posted [p:906366632] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> Imagine being this triggered by others enjoying something you don't like.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 12:47:14 PM #68:	darkjedilink posted... Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. well this is just patently false different games in the series have varying levels of depth but they're all pretty hard to actually be good at, and player rankings/hierarchies (>1% of the playerbase being successful) kind of demonstrates that --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906366653] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> well this is just patently false different games in the series have varying levels of depth but they're all pretty hard to actually be good at, and player rankings/hierarchies (>1% of the playerbase being successful) kind of demonstrates that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/06/18 12:53:44 PM #69:	darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players? --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906366990] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/06/18 12:55:26 PM #70:	voldothegr8 posted... darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players? Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906367071] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players?</quote> Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 08/06/18 12:57:32 PM #71:	At least for melee it makes sense for pros --- I am basically am I. Well, basically. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:906367178] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>At least for melee it makes sense for pros</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 08/06/18 12:58:14 PM #72:	darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. You could make this idiotic assessment about pretty much any game played competitively. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:906367204] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>like I'm pretty sure the crowd that takes issue with comp rulesets don't seem to grasp that competitive inherently is taken seriously enough for prize money to be involved, meaning those elements you consider fun in casual mode cease being fun at all in competitive when people have every reason to exploit you Want items legal? Okay, half the cast is even less viable than it was before. Items add a random element to play, but they don't suddenly make you as good at general gameplay as somebody who's practiced, and if you like to play, let's say, Donkey Kong, they can pick any fast character, combine their mobility with item play, and you have less of a chance than you did if you just played them with a clean ruleset. Want illegal stages to be legal now? Okay, the general way gameplay operates doesn't really change beyond making high level settings worse and more random (a bad idea for a game as volatile as Smash 4 already is) but now you as a casual player still lose and might even get exploited by game mechanics that don't really feel fair, but your opponent had every reason to utilize because they're in a tournament. ergo, things that are fun in casual =/= fun in competitive settings where people are there to win</quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> You could make this idiotic assessment about pretty much any game played competitively.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 12:58:20 PM #73:	darkjedilink posted... Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could. that's some high tier delusion right there --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906367210] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could.</quote> that's some high tier delusion right there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/06/18 12:59:53 PM #74:	darkjedilink posted... voldothegr8 posted... darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players? Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could. LOL! Even with default settings you'd get destroyed. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906367286] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players?</quote> Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could.</quote> LOL! Even with default settings you'd get destroyed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/06/18 1:01:40 PM #75:	voldothegr8 posted... darkjedilink posted... voldothegr8 posted... darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players? Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could. LOL! Even with default settings you'd get destroyed. How so? They're too pussified to play random stage, all items, all chars. I've been playing like that since day fucking one. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906367376] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players?</quote> Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could.</quote> LOL! Even with default settings you'd get destroyed.</quote> How so? They're too pussified to play random stage, all items, all chars. I've been playing like that since day fucking one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 1:07:10 PM #76:	darkjedilink posted... How so? They're too pussified to play random stage, while numerous stages might be less fun, most of the stages provide a stable area for players to combat one another, meaning the concepts of advantage/neutral/disadvantage all apply all items, items can lower the skill gap, but a high level player is generally going to have a better disadvantage state, work better under pressure, and so forth all chars. characters aren't banned so idk why you bring this up, characters that go unused are generally not used because they're really bad or the reward for being optimized with them isn't worth the commitment for most Like when it comes down too it, you'd both start on a stage, they'd win neutral, use an optimized combo to deal 40%, probably extend it because you'd spam the same defensive options a lot, and you'd be out of a stock before you even get to exploit your environment. no amount if items is going to change the fact that you probably have no idea what to do while you're above Fox in smash 4 in disadvantage state lol --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906367648] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> How so? They're too pussified to play random stage, </quote> while numerous stages might be less fun, most of the stages provide a stable area for players to combat one another, meaning the concepts of advantage/neutral/disadvantage all apply <quote>all items, </quote> items can lower the skill gap, but a high level player is generally going to have a better disadvantage state, work better under pressure, and so forth <quote>all chars.</quote> characters aren't banned so idk why you bring this up, characters that go unused are generally not used because they're really bad or the reward for being optimized with them isn't worth the commitment for most Like when it comes down too it, you'd both start on a stage, they'd win neutral, use an optimized combo to deal 40%, probably extend it because you'd spam the same defensive options a lot, and you'd be out of a stock before you even get to exploit your environment. no amount if items is going to change the fact that you probably have no idea what to do while you're above Fox in smash 4 in disadvantage state lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/06/18 1:11:46 PM #77:	darkjedilink posted... voldothegr8 posted... darkjedilink posted... voldothegr8 posted... darkjedilink posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid. People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will. So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players? Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could. LOL! Even with default settings you'd get destroyed. How so? They're too pussified to play random stage, all items, all chars. I've been playing like that since day fucking one. You think items and environments take away the tech and skill? LMAO no, like the other guy said they'll take a stock, at least, before you ever get a chance to use an item or attempt to exploit the stage. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906367871] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> This is a really long-winded way of saying you take a party game way too fucking seriously, and need to get laid.</quote> People enjoy playing games with competitive depth because they feel rewarding/fun the play, and communities form around that. Shouldn't be hard to grasp tbh</quote> Except Smash doesn't HAVE competitive depth. Never has, never will.</quote> So you're saying you can just pick up a controller and hang with top tier players?</quote> Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could.</quote> LOL! Even with default settings you'd get destroyed.</quote> How so? They're too pussified to play random stage, all items, all chars. I've been playing like that since day fucking one.</quote> You think items and environments take away the tech and skill? LMAO no, like the other guy said they'll take a stock, at least, before you ever get a chance to use an item or attempt to exploit the stage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/06/18 1:23:29 PM #78:	voldothegr8 posted... You think items and environments take away the tech and skill? LMAO no, like the other guy said they'll take a stock, at least, before you ever get a chance to use an item or attempt to exploit the stage. If they didn't detract from skill, they wouldn't be banned. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906368460] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>You think items and environments take away the tech and skill? LMAO no, like the other guy said they'll take a stock, at least, before you ever get a chance to use an item or attempt to exploit the stage.</quote> If they didn't detract from skill, they wouldn't be banned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruddager 08/06/18 1:31:48 PM #79:	I hate competitive melee as much as the next guy but even competitive SFV has banned stages so it seems like a dumb thing to be blaming melee/melee players for <cite>Ruddager posted [p:906368901] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>I hate competitive melee as much as the next guy but even competitive SFV has banned stages so it seems like a dumb thing to be blaming melee/melee players for</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banjo2553 08/06/18 1:51:22 PM #80:	darkjedilink posted... If they didn't detract from skill, they wouldn't be banned. It's not about skill, it's about a randomness factor. With items on, at any point the game could decide to spawn a bomb on top of you as you're attacking (happened to me too often to count, but I wasn't pissed because it wasn't a competitive setting), or give you an item that gives you a major advantage like a Starman or Gust Bellows. It's not that pro players can't use items or get around hazards, it's that they want to make things as fair as possible. I guarantee if you faced a top Smash player with items that you both agreed on using, you'd get absolutely wrecked. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:906370046] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>If they didn't detract from skill, they wouldn't be banned.</quote> It's not about skill, it's about a randomness factor. With items on, at any point the game could decide to spawn a bomb on top of you as you're attacking (happened to me too often to count, but I wasn't pissed because it wasn't a competitive setting), or give you an item that gives you a major advantage like a Starman or Gust Bellows. It's not that pro players can't use items or get around hazards, it's that they want to make things as fair as possible. I guarantee if you faced a top Smash player with items that you both agreed on using, you'd get absolutely wrecked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 08/06/18 1:53:08 PM #81:	"Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:906370133] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote>"Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banjo2553 08/06/18 1:54:35 PM #82:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... "Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers. Unless they're forcing you to play their way I don't understand the need to be upset, lol. Also Sakurai himself said Smash was built to be played in any way you want as there's no "right way to play." --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:906370217] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>"Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers.</quote> Unless they're forcing you to play their way I don't understand the need to be upset, lol. Also Sakurai himself said Smash was built to be played in any way you want as there's no "right way to play."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/06/18 1:54:46 PM #83:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... "Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers. Yet here you are on gaming website --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906370236] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>"Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers.</quote> Yet here you are on gaming website</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 08/06/18 1:55:16 PM #84:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... "Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers. Why do people act like they are whining? They decided as a community to impose certain restrictions. If anyone is whining, it's the people outside of the community lol. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:906370264] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>"Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers.</quote> Why do people act like they are whining? They decided as a community to impose certain restrictions. If anyone is whining, it's the people outside of the community lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/06/18 1:58:06 PM #85:	Twin3Turbo posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... "Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers. Why do people act like they are whining? They decided as a community to impose certain restrictions. If anyone is whining, it's the people outside of the community lol. yeah I mean it isn't like competitive players are insisting on not using items or levels when they play with me, and if they do then I can always just say I would prefer not to or whatever I really do not understand the thing with smash bros at all or why its competitive scene gets so much hate --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:906370427] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>"Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers.</quote> Why do people act like they are whining? They decided as a community to impose certain restrictions. If anyone is whining, it's the people outside of the community lol.</quote> yeah I mean it isn't like competitive players are insisting on not using items or levels when they play with me, and if they do then I can always just say I would prefer not to or whatever I really do not understand the thing with smash bros at all or why its competitive scene gets so much hate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/06/18 1:58:41 PM #86:	Balrog0 posted... I really do not understand the thing with smash bros at all or why its competitive scene gets so much hate Mostly Nintendo haters --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:906370457] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I really do not understand the thing with smash bros at all or why its competitive scene gets so much hate</quote> Mostly Nintendo haters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 2:01:23 PM #87:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... "Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers. the game as built inherently allows for a lot of ruleset customization so you can play it however you like lmao --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906370618] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>"Wahh I don't like the game as built and want to put my artificial expectations and definition of balance into it." God damn I fucking hate gamers.</quote> the game as built inherently allows for a lot of ruleset customization so you can play it however you like lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 08/06/18 2:12:34 PM #88:	Zero_Destroyer posted... the game as built inherently allows for a lot of ruleset customization so you can play it however you like lmao the irony is here that playing in a tourney setting with x, y and z restrictions isn't playing "however you like lmao". if tourney player #4281 wants to use items and play on x stage, then he should be allowed to but since he's definitely not gonna be... --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:906371159] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>the game as built inherently allows for a lot of ruleset customization so you can play it however you like lmao</quote> the irony is here that playing in a tourney setting with x, y and z restrictions isn't playing "however you like lmao". if tourney player #4281 wants to use items and play on x stage, then he should be allowed to but since he's definitely not gonna be...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 2:18:45 PM #89:	AsucaHayashi posted... the irony is here that playing in a tourney setting with x, y and z restrictions isn't playing "however you like lmao". It's playing how the community wants to play because those are rulesets agreed upon by that community. if tourney player #4281 wants to use items and play on x stage, then he should be allowed to but since he's definitely not gonna be... What tourney players want this? Those regular tournament players support rulesets restricting items/stages. The only people who don't are people who don't even participate in the community to begin with. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906371503] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>AsucaHayashi posted...</cite> <quote> the irony is here that playing in a tourney setting with x, y and z restrictions isn't playing "however you like lmao".</quote> It's playing how the community wants to play because those are rulesets agreed upon by that community. <quote>if tourney player #4281 wants to use items and play on x stage, then he should be allowed to but since he's definitely not gonna be...</quote> What tourney players want this? Those regular tournament players support rulesets restricting items/stages. The only people who don't are people who don't even participate in the community to begin with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 08/06/18 2:22:07 PM #90:	Zero_Destroyer posted... It's playing how the community wants to play because those are rulesets agreed upon by that community. >rulesets >"playing however you like lmao" pick one. What tourney players want this? who that actually wants to play like this is irrelevant. the fact is that i, you or anyone else can't waltz into a random tourney with "rulesets agreed upon by the community" and demand they turn items and all stages back on. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:906371682] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>It's playing how the community wants to play because those are rulesets agreed upon by that community. </quote> >rulesets >"playing however you like lmao" pick one. What tourney players want this? who that actually wants to play like this is irrelevant. the fact is that i, you or anyone else can't waltz into a random tourney with "rulesets agreed upon by the community" and demand they turn items and all stages back on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 08/06/18 2:23:31 PM #91:	Zero_Destroyer posted... It's playing how the community wants to play . . . Yeah this is the problem. Fuck the community, Nintendo would establish tourie rules. (they kinda do in competitive mode but I haven't played smash on my 3ds in a while and I know they don't use what the community does) This is like people that whine about specific weapons in FPSs. I'm going to use whatever I want and whatever is available, fuck off with trying to dictate "gentlemen's rules" --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:906371774] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>It's playing how the community wants to play . . . </quote> Yeah this is the problem. Fuck the community, Nintendo would establish tourie rules. (they kinda do in competitive mode but I haven't played smash on my 3ds in a while and I know they don't use what the community does) This is like people that whine about specific weapons in FPSs. I'm going to use whatever I want and whatever is available, fuck off with trying to dictate "gentlemen's rules"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banjo2553 08/06/18 2:27:14 PM #92:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... (they kinda do in competitive mode but I haven't played smash on my 3ds in a while and I know they don't use what the community does) There's multiple rulesets which mirror what the community does. 1v1 For Glory has no items, uses FD mode on all stages. 2v2 For Glory is a team battle, no items, uses FD mode on stages. Only difference is they don't have friendly fire on. Also we're talking about public tourney rules when we say "community." ANY public tourney has rulesets to follow no matter what kind of game it is, it's the nature of the beast. Don't follow the rules, you get kicked out. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:906372012] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>(they kinda do in competitive mode but I haven't played smash on my 3ds in a while and I know they don't use what the community does)</quote> There's multiple rulesets which mirror what the community does. 1v1 For Glory has no items, uses FD mode on all stages. 2v2 For Glory is a team battle, no items, uses FD mode on stages. Only difference is they don't have friendly fire on. Also we're talking about public tourney rules when we say "community." ANY public tourney has rulesets to follow no matter what kind of game it is, it's the nature of the beast. Don't follow the rules, you get kicked out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 2:28:37 PM #93:	>rulesets >"playing however you like lmao" pick one. Oh, you just misunderstood my initial point. I see. The game allows custom rulesets. The idea that players aren't playing the game "as intended" is ridiculous because the game is built to allow for custom rulesets due to its customizable nature. who that actually wants to play like this is irrelevant. It is 100% relevant because it involves people who play the game in a competitive setting. Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Yeah this is the problem. Fuck the community, Nintendo would establish tourie rules. (they kinda do in competitive mode but I haven't played smash on my 3ds in a while and I know they don't use what the community does) This is like people that whine about specific weapons in FPSs. I'm going to use whatever I want and whatever is available, fuck off with trying to dictate "gentlemen's rules" Nobody who takes the game seriously at a competitive level is going to gentleman to rulesets that you'd prefer - ergo, items/banned stages. You don't seem to get that just because you'd prefer it be this way doesn't mean the larger community would. Which is why it doesn't happen. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906372106] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><quote>>rulesets >"playing however you like lmao" pick one. </quote> Oh, you just misunderstood my initial point. I see. The game allows custom rulesets. The idea that players aren't playing the game "as intended" is ridiculous because the game is built to allow for custom rulesets due to its customizable nature. <quote>who that actually wants to play like this is irrelevant.</quote> It is 100% relevant because it involves people who play the game in a competitive setting. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah this is the problem. Fuck the community, Nintendo would establish tourie rules. (they kinda do in competitive mode but I haven't played smash on my 3ds in a while and I know they don't use what the community does) This is like people that whine about specific weapons in FPSs. I'm going to use whatever I want and whatever is available, fuck off with trying to dictate "gentlemen's rules"</quote> Nobody who takes the game seriously at a competitive level is going to gentleman to rulesets that you'd prefer - ergo, items/banned stages. You don't seem to get that just because you'd prefer it be this way doesn't mean the larger community would. Which is why it doesn't happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 08/06/18 2:31:07 PM #94:	Zero_Destroyer posted... darkjedilink posted... Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could. that's some high tier delusion right there As expected from a known joke account who thinks Obama is the reason his wife divorced him. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:906372256] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Playing Smash as intended? Fuck yeah, I could.</quote> that's some high tier delusion right there</quote> As expected from a known joke account who thinks Obama is the reason his wife divorced him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 08/06/18 2:34:05 PM #95:	Zero_Destroyer posted... Oh, you just misunderstood my initial point. I see. The game allows custom rulesets. The idea that players aren't playing the game "as intended" is ridiculous because the game is built to allow for custom rulesets due to its customizable nature. i didn't misunderstand anything. the point is, as this topic pointed out, stupid to ban stuff in tournaments. you and others try to justify it by claiming the game is designed to play however people want but again the irony here is that in tournament settings, you're by definition not playing however you want as demonstrated by my argument that nobody can walk into a tournament and demand they do so and so because that's how they want to play. It is 100% relevant because it involves people who play the game in a competitive setting. it is completely irrelevant because you literally haven't polled every single player in all smash tournaments and asked if they want some stages to be allowed or items on. there's a major difference between accepting a common ruleset and not wanting any of the above mentioned elements and you cannot in any way reliably prove the latter. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:906372439] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, you just misunderstood my initial point. I see. The game allows custom rulesets. The idea that players aren't playing the game "as intended" is ridiculous because the game is built to allow for custom rulesets due to its customizable nature. </quote> i didn't misunderstand anything. the point is, as this topic pointed out, stupid to ban stuff in tournaments. you and others try to justify it by claiming the game is designed to play however people want but again the irony here is that in tournament settings, you're by definition not playing however you want as demonstrated by my argument that nobody can walk into a tournament and demand they do so and so because that's how they want to play. It is 100% relevant because it involves people who play the game in a competitive setting. it is completely irrelevant because you literally haven't polled every single player in all smash tournaments and asked if they want some stages to be allowed or items on. there's a major difference between accepting a common ruleset and not wanting any of the above mentioned elements and you cannot in any way reliably prove the latter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 08/06/18 2:36:51 PM #96:	Balrog0 posted... I really do not understand the thing with smash bros at all or why its competitive scene gets so much hate Becauae too many of them have to be reminded to bathe https://compete.kotaku.com/smash-players-plead-with-each-other-to-please-for-the-1826150759 --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:906372613] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I really do not understand the thing with smash bros at all or why its competitive scene gets so much hate</quote> Becauae too many of them have to be reminded to bathe https://compete.kotaku.com/smash-players-plead-with-each-other-to-please-for-the-1826150759</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 2:40:57 PM #97:	you're by definition not playing however you want The "play however you want" thing is dictated by the game, ergo people can make rulesets within the boundaries of the game. You don't seem to get this. I'm not arguing players in a tournament setting get to play however they want, I'm arguing that the game allows for those rulesets to be made without violating "what the game intended" because the game is intended to be customizable. The community decided on customizing based around rulesets that restricted items/stages. This has been the case for nearly 2 decades with most of the debate within that community happened over a decade ago. Why do you know better than the participants of that community? --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906372859] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><quote> you're by definition not playing however you want</quote> The "play however you want" thing is dictated by the game, ergo people can make rulesets within the boundaries of the game. You don't seem to get this. I'm not arguing players in a tournament setting get to play however they want, I'm arguing that the game allows for those rulesets to be made without violating "what the game intended" because the game is intended to be customizable. The community decided on customizing based around rulesets that restricted items/stages. This has been the case for nearly 2 decades with most of the debate within that community happened over a decade ago. Why do you know better than the participants of that community?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 08/06/18 2:45:56 PM #98:	Zero_Destroyer posted... Why do you know better than the participants of that community? Less personal bias. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:906373166] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you know better than the participants of that community?</quote> Less personal bias.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 08/06/18 2:46:31 PM #99:	AsucaHayashi posted... the point is, as this topic pointed out, stupid to ban stuff in tournaments. you and others try to justify it by claiming the game is designed to play however people want but again the irony here is that in tournament settings, you're by definition not playing however you want as demonstrated by my argument that nobody can walk into a tournament and demand they do so and so because that's how they want to play. Are you really this clueless? Everything has bans and restrictions because things that are obviously OP and unbalanced have no place in a competitive setting. That's the entire point of buffing and nerfing. This is like asking why developers use patches to nerf and buff things ever because they should just stick to the original game and have people experience the original pure gameplay no matter how broken it is. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:906373207] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>AsucaHayashi posted...</cite> <quote> the point is, as this topic pointed out, stupid to ban stuff in tournaments. you and others try to justify it by claiming the game is designed to play however people want but again the irony here is that in tournament settings, you're by definition not playing however you want as demonstrated by my argument that nobody can walk into a tournament and demand they do so and so because that's how they want to play.</quote> Are you really this clueless? Everything has bans and restrictions because things that are obviously OP and unbalanced have no place in a competitive setting. That's the entire point of buffing and nerfing. This is like asking why developers use patches to nerf and buff things ever because they should just stick to the original game and have people experience the original pure gameplay no matter how broken it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/06/18 2:48:30 PM #100:	the point is, as this topic pointed out, stupid to ban stuff in tournaments. Nobody has demonstrated how it's stupid to do so at all, actually. The reason those things were banned generally had to do with game balance or removing random elements. Some of these changes make the game more fun in a competitive setting unless you consider randomly dying through no fault of your own after putting in tons of practice to be "fun", or running around for 8 minutes with little interaction to be "fun", which is what happens when you allow certain stages/items. there's a major difference between accepting a common ruleset and not wanting any of the above mentioned elements and you cannot in any way reliably prove the latter. The Smash community is vocal about what aspects of the community/game it doesn't like. I have never seen people in my many years of participating in the community seriously suggest "We should make items legal". That is not a movement. Is there debate over stage lists? Sure. But not the kind you'd like. It's debating over the legality of a very limited number of stages. Nobody is clamoring to play Temple in tournament because they know somebody will pick Sonic and that Sonic player will Spin Dash camp/run for 8 minutes. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:906373306] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><quote>the point is, as this topic pointed out, stupid to ban stuff in tournaments. </quote> Nobody has demonstrated how it's stupid to do so at all, actually. The reason those things were banned generally had to do with game balance or removing random elements. Some of these changes make the game more fun in a competitive setting unless you consider randomly dying through no fault of your own after putting in tons of practice to be "fun", or running around for 8 minutes with little interaction to be "fun", which is what happens when you allow certain stages/items. <quote>there's a major difference between accepting a common ruleset and not wanting any of the above mentioned elements and you cannot in any way reliably prove the latter.</quote> The Smash community is vocal about what aspects of the community/game it doesn't like. I have never seen people in my many years of participating in the community seriously suggest "We should make items legal". That is not a movement. Is there debate over stage lists? Sure. But not the kind you'd like. It's debating over the legality of a very limited number of stages. Nobody is clamoring to play Temple in tournament because they know somebody will pick Sonic and that Sonic player will Spin Dash camp/run for 8 minutes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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