Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia 3: Intermission

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Leo, did you get a false scan last game?
Or are you talking about Blade Mafia and you arent that unlucky..
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htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

Scare took back his claim a long time ago.

I've already mentioned a real tracker would never claim there, Panthera just fell for it.

First Leo, and now Death right after, acting like Scare is sticking to his original claim. Looks pretty bad on Death.

htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

You know how this goes, Death. A vanilla claim accomplishes nothing, I'll have to full claim eventually but I still have to try. Puns will probably say "oops it was just a bluff but seriously you guys Leo was super scummy!!!" but until then he'll pretend he actually has info while people make douchebaggy comments to discourage me from putting in a lot of wasted effort. I learned last game that people will always just follow a scan regardless of how obviously fake it is or how much effort the victim puts in.

Crescent-Moon posted...

htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

Scare took back his claim a long time ago.

I've already mentioned a real tracker would never claim there, Panthera just fell for it.

First Leo, and now Death right after, acting like Scare is sticking to his original claim. Looks pretty bad on Death.

It's 7 am. I apparently missed a post in the middle of the night. You think a real tracker would never claim there, but you believe Puns? Excuse me?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Ceasent i already explained why I was suspicious of Leo...

Not a good enough reason to make a vote that says nothing.

What else do you have to say other than "vote Leo"?

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

Scare took back his claim a long time ago.

I've already mentioned a real tracker would never claim there, Panthera just fell for it.

First Leo, and now Death right after, acting like Scare is sticking to his original claim. Looks pretty bad on Death.

It's 7 am. I apparently missed a post in the middle of the night. You think a real tracker would never claim there, but you believe Puns? Excuse me?

Tracking s

Crescent-Moon posted...

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

Scare took back his claim a long time ago.

I've already mentioned a real tracker would never claim there, Panthera just fell for it.

First Leo, and now Death right after, acting like Scare is sticking to his original claim. Looks pretty bad on Death.

It's 7 am. I apparently missed a post in the middle of the night. You think a real tracker would never claim there, but you believe Puns? Excuse me?

Tracking s

Tracking someone to a dead player and tracking someone to an obvious "save or roleblock" target are obviously very different things.

You at the very least wait for Tony to claim roleblocked or not before you even consider claiming it.

Try again.

All Sultan HAD to say was "I felt suspicious of Leo, thanks for confirming it puns!"

It was a classic noob Scum play, I feel. "I want to look good so I'll give a good reason for hopping on this train".
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Crescent-Moon posted...

htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

Scare took back his claim a long time ago.

I've already mentioned a real tracker would never claim there, Panthera just fell for it.

First Leo, and now Death right after, acting like Scare is sticking to his original claim. Looks pretty bad on Death.

Shrug.
You'll have to forgive me for having a lapse in memory. I dont know why I forgot in the first place.
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Puns, if you don't admit you're bluffing in your next post, I'm going to full claim and probably not post until I stop being so tilted. I can only take so many smug comments. You've gotten under my skin and pissed me off, congratulations.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

Scare took back his claim a long time ago.

I've already mentioned a real tracker would never claim there, Panthera just fell for it.

First Leo, and now Death right after, acting like Scare is sticking to his original claim. Looks pretty bad on Death.

It's 7 am. I apparently missed a post in the middle of the night. You think a real tracker would never claim there, but you believe Puns? Excuse me?

Tracking s

Tracking someone to a dead player and tracking someone to an obvious "save or roleblock" target are obviously very different things.

You at the very least wait for Tony to claim roleblocked or not before you even consider claiming it.

Try again.

Devils advocate here..

Wouldnt scumLeo as scum already know what Tony would claim?
Unless scum werent sure Tony was in fact roleblocked.
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So I guess Leo being scumm isnt enough for you.. like he is super avoidant of any questions thrown his way and just say the game has boring.... he was super quick to be like not me let's go twords Panthe! I'm not even going to elaborate other then say someone else's point was good though it was definitely just a leave me alone kind of thing.

And let me remind you all this is only my second game and the first was super quick so I'm trying to figure things out still if that even matters.

But if I feel Leo is scum and explained it then why am I the only one being badgered on my vote and not people who have done the same freaking thing
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Puns isnt even here!
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In general, we dont like votes that seem to come suddenly and without explanation.

Now I will grant you that Leo's vote is largely self-explanatory anyway.

But what tipped you over the edge specifically?
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Thats for Sultan obv
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htaeD posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

htaeD posted...

Okay so much to unpack here.

Leo, why would puns assume he was outing townpower if he was bluffing?
Why even reveal you're power when a nilla claim would also get a bluff of your back?

Meanwhile I want Scare to say why he didnt just assume that Panth was protection and came right out of the gate with shade tossing.

Scare took back his claim a long time ago.

I've already mentioned a real tracker would never claim there, Panthera just fell for it.

First Leo, and now Death right after, acting like Scare is sticking to his original claim. Looks pretty bad on Death.

It's 7 am. I apparently missed a post in the middle of the night. You think a real tracker would never claim there, but you believe Puns? Excuse me?

Tracking s

Tracking someone to a dead player and tracking someone to an obvious "save or roleblock" target are obviously very different things.

You at the very least wait for Tony to claim roleblocked or not before you even consider claiming it.

Try again.

Devils advocate here..

Wouldnt scumLeo as scum already know what Tony would claim?
Unless scum werent sure Tony was in fact roleblocked.

Of course scum would know that they tried to roleblock Tony. That's why Panthera panicked and claimed doctor to begin with.

What Leo would know or not isn't particularly relevant to this matter, though. It was what Panthera knew that mattered.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So I guess Leo being scumm isnt enough for you.. like he is super avoidant of any questions thrown his way and just say the game has boring.... he was super quick to be like not me let's go twords Panthe! I'm not even going to elaborate other then say someone else's point was good though it was definitely just a leave me alone kind of thing.

And let me remind you all this is only my second game and the first was super quick so I'm trying to figure things out still if that even matters.

But if I feel Leo is scum and explained it then why am I the only one being badgered on my vote and not people who have done the same freaking thing

See this is what you should've said when you voted him. It shouldn't require being pressed to say this. Votes that come without any content are extremely easy for scum to make. Like, Tange already did this with Panthera earlier, except he voted him with a paragraph of fluff attached.

htaeD posted...

In general, we dont like votes that seem to come suddenly and without explanation.

Now I will grant you that Leo's vote is largely self-explanatory anyway.

But what tipped you over the edge specifically?

Basically what he said.

Oh you were talking about Panth and not Leo with that sentence?
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Crescent, can you pretend that ColZach's posts so far this day are a small mouse toy and bat it around back and forth and tell me what you think?

Also, while it's not the greatest defense, Sultan being new does work in his innocence here.
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(And for that reason, Tange's contentless vote looks worse than yours. You could be town that simply does not know better. He has less of an excuse.)

Hell, just the scan alone is reason enough to vote Leo.

But scum likes to pepper such votes with extra reasons to appear towny, from time to time.

I do get an innocent newplayer vibe from Sultan here though, for what thats worth. Reminds me of whatshisname from Blade Mafia.
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Death, please look at ColZach's first posts from this day and tell me what you think.
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Guys please think Zach is scummy with me, validate my bad read

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent, can you pretend that ColZach's posts so far this day are a small mouse toy and bat it around back and forth and tell me what you think?

Also, while it's not the greatest defense, Sultan being new does work in his innocence here.

Meow? *Tilts her head*

Zach, if you are Town, you have better things to do than whine like a child.
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Okay well first he was one of my scum reads yesterday but then zam was just way more obvious and I switched my vote over to Zam yesterday.

I was going to vote for him earlier but I went back to sleep... but now that I know better I'll at least explain again next to a vote or elaborate more with the vote so thanks for the teaching moment even if I look bad now I know better for next time.
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Not helping Zach.
(also you think Han is town then?)
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Ok Sultan is probably town that is good to know.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Zach, if you are Town, you have better things to do than whine like a child.

If youre town, you have better things to do than beg people to analyze my posts when youre seeing something nobody else is.

Jesus Christ theres a massive Leo/Panth billboard in front of you and youre focusing on someone whos clearly playing for town.

ColZach posted...

My dislike of Leo gets a little intensified given plums death but idk what to do bout it

Why?

Three nothing posts, only returns when Han pokes him and promptly insults Han, while saying... Nothing, really.

His only focus so far today has been on Han's badgering of him.

Colzach, who do you have reads on?

ColZach posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Zach, if you are Town, you have better things to do than whine like a child.

If youre town, you have better things to do than beg people to analyze my posts when youre seeing something nobody else is.

Jesus Christ theres a massive Leo/Panth billboard in front of you and youre focusing on someone whos clearly playing for town.

I don't have strong feelings on Han being town, but Han is doing exactly what he should be doing. Focusing more of the day onto Panthera and Leo is a waste of effort and, quite frankly, a waste of time.

We need to focus the day onto people who aren't already confirmed scum. I don't want to be on yet another town that kills itself with laziness.

Leo-looks like scum, tried to justify that dumbass plum train yesterday, and the obvious reasons today
Panth-looks like scum, obvious reasons today
Corrik-I didnt like his insistence on being confirmed. I know I also said I was confirmed but very quickly when I realized I wasnt confirmed I agreed

Tony-town, obviously
Crescent-town, for some very solid analysis of whats going on. Not like he crescent in PW mafia

Zach, maybe one day you'll be as good at Town as you are as Scum.

Why would I waste my time with Leo/Panth? That's been written in stone.

And I admit that my reads can be wrong. You've been an iffy one this game, but I actually do think your posts at the beginning of this day look awful. That's why I'm asking players I respect for their opinions on the matter.
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First of all, I dont understand what Ben means with 'clutch save'. Does he know something we dont? Or is this context I am missing from the twilight hours?

I like this post. It sounds like a genuine thing to say. What reason does scum have to share that they changed stance overnight when they can forge better more concrete reasons for changing their read instead? 45 points awarded to Leo

This makes me worry about Ben even more. I thought he stopped being naive..

As for Colzach. His first few posts dont seem that bad to be honest. Overall he does sit a little too much on the sideline though, its hard to say much about him.

His whining comeback later I am less a fan of.
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ColZach posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Zach, if you are Town, you have better things to do than whine like a child.

If youre town, you have better things to do than beg people to analyze my posts when youre seeing something nobody else is.

Jesus Christ theres a massive Leo/Panth billboard in front of you and youre focusing on someone whos clearly playing for town.

There's six scum
why settle for being happy with finding just 3?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Zach, maybe one day you'll be as good at Town as you are as Scum.

Why would I waste my time with Leo/Panth? That's been written in stone.

And I admit that my reads can be wrong. You've been an iffy one this game, but I actually do think your posts at the beginning of this day look awful. That's why I'm asking players I respect for their opinions on the matter.

This post gives you town points from me for what its worth

Ill try to readjust-why do my posts seem scummy? Make the argument why, and I will attempt to explain why I posted what I did

Using the word 'bad read' already implies you thought he was town though.
Or at least it should imply that.
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Ben's "clutch save" comment somewhat reminds me of Blade Mafia 5 where Corrik immediately commented that scum's kill had been blocked so fast that there was no way town would come to that conclusion so fast. I have no idea how he didn't get destroyed for it.

Ben's wasn't nearly as bad though, or as specific. (making a joke about a save ~15 minutes after day started, as opposed to Corrik who said specifically that scum's kill was blocked, in like, 40 seconds), I just don't particularly like how completely empty he's been as a player this game.

benjamin3740 posted...

Clutch save last night.

How does Ben know there was a save last night? I mean he can assume it but the Janitor could have been a replacement kill too. Idk, I go into host mode too quickly with this kind of thing.

Panthera posted...

Corrik posted...

What exactly has been claimed here still. I see a lot of bullshit flying all over the place.

You could read this game at some point, you know. It won't bite, I've trained it very well.

I claimed Jack who doc saved Tony
Puns claims he knows Leo killed Plum
Scare claimed I'm scum

One thing is for certain, with Panth's jack claim and Corrik's "protection" claim I think there is a liar in the bunch because I don't think that there are 3 of us with protection roles.

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

If I have to fight against fucking fake scans two games in a row I'm going to be really pissed. Puns did not track me. I did not visit Plum. I visited someone else, which would be obviously to anyone with half a brain. Get it? Puns is overzealous town who thinks I'm scum but doesn't have a good convincing reason, so he's faking a scan, or he's scum emulating that zealousness because Puns is the best scum player here and capable of faking his town approach.

I'm not claiming because of the world's most obvious bluff and people who are voting me solely for that are likely scum for it. Puns sure is doing a hell of a job of outing power on a day where we have a real scum scan from Scare! Did I lack bite in Blade Mafia?! (I was scum and I did not). Yeesh.

This feels like flailing and I feel like it is more of an attempt to shake the fact that he has been caught. I'm never a big fan when people reference their own games. You shouldn't try and play the same way every time, that's an easy way to get caught.
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Really? I'm more bothered by his completely useless posts at the beginning of the day, because they act as a "hey I'm here" without adding anything to the developing Scum reveals.

It's what Scum do when possible scans are being put up. Scum don't necessarily want to encourage and push those scans forward, either for fear that they show they know the scan is reveal before it's fully claimed, or for fear that they reveal a bluff to be true. One of those "I'm afraid to show that I know more than I do", whereas Town will be like "oh man, somebody posted shifty eyes with a name, clearly that means a condemning Detective scan!"
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ColZach posted...

Leo-looks like scum, tried to justify that dumbass plum train yesterday, and the obvious reasons today
Panth-looks like scum, obvious reasons today
Corrik-I didnt like his insistence on being confirmed. I know I also said I was confirmed but very quickly when I realized I wasnt confirmed I agreed

Tony-town, obviously
Crescent-town, for some very solid analysis of whats going on. Not like he crescent in PW mafia

Um.. I wouldn't say I'm playing that much differently than I did in PW mafia aside from the difference in my mental state, which was directly and tremendously affected by an out of game event and isn't really something that can be metaed. If I could pinpoint one difference, it's that my scope in this game has been broader than my scope in that game (I've been focusing on more players), but was that related to being scum, or was that related to being so stressed pregame that I almost replaced out without making a single post? I honestly don't know.

Also, where is Tony?
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....
Eaed what?

Before you say anything else you have to realize that Panth is likely scum anyway.
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I mean...Han you were wrong about tony and his check in post too.

htaeD posted...

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Eaed what?

Before you say anything else you have to realize that Panth is likely scum anyway.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Clutch save last night.

How does Ben know there was a save last night? I mean he can assume it but the Janitor could have been a replacement kill too. Idk, I go into host mode too quickly with this kind of thing.

Panthera posted...

Corrik posted...

What exactly has been claimed here still. I see a lot of bullshit flying all over the place.

You could read this game at some point, you know. It won't bite, I've trained it very well.

I claimed Jack who doc saved Tony
Puns claims he knows Leo killed Plum
Scare claimed I'm scum

One thing is for certain, with Panth's jack claim and Corrik's "protection" claim I think there is a liar in the bunch because I don't think that there are 3 of us with protection roles.

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

If I have to fight against fucking fake scans two games in a row I'm going to be really pissed. Puns did not track me. I did not visit Plum. I visited someone else, which would be obviously to anyone with half a brain. Get it? Puns is overzealous town who thinks I'm scum but doesn't have a good convincing reason, so he's faking a scan, or he's scum emulating that zealousness because Puns is the best scum player here and capable of faking his town approach.

I'm not claiming because of the world's most obvious bluff and people who are voting me solely for that are likely scum for it. Puns sure is doing a hell of a job of outing power on a day where we have a real scum scan from Scare! Did I lack bite in Blade Mafia?! (I was scum and I did not). Yeesh.

This feels like flailing and I feel like it is more of an attempt to shake the fact that he has been caught. I'm never a big fan when people reference their own games. You shouldn't try and play the same way every time, that's an easy way to get caught.

Of course they could both be lying. Corrik lies a lot.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Really? I'm more bothered by his completely useless posts at the beginning of the day, because they act as a "hey I'm here" without adding anything to the developing Scum reveals.

It's what Scum do when possible scans are being put up. Scum don't necessarily want to encourage and push those scans forward, either for fear that they show they know the scan is reveal before it's fully claimed, or for fear that they reveal a bluff to be true. One of those "I'm afraid to show that I know more than I do", whereas Town will be like "oh man, somebody posted shifty eyes with a name, clearly that means a condemning Detective scan!"

I am assuming he went to sleep somewhere on page 5.
But yes his 4 posts didnt do much of anything. I figured his first post was a reaction to Plums death, now I am not so sure.
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Then we lynch the liars.
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Its more the fact that you're referring to a third protection.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Also, where is Tony?

He dropped by to say he was roleblocked
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