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P4wn4g3 08/07/18 12:38:18 AM #101:	It's funny, Bill Maher made a joke on this a while back about how literally nobody anywhere missed asbestos. --- Hive Mind of Dark Aether, the unofficial Metroid Social Private board. https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:906405351] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>It's funny, Bill Maher made a joke on this a while back about how literally nobody anywhere missed asbestos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 08/07/18 12:41:22 AM #102:	Trump's America where giving its citizens an incurable disease is fine <cite>Axiom posted [p:906405475] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>Trump's America where giving its citizens an incurable disease is fine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LRodC 08/07/18 1:31:45 AM #103:	WTF I loved Trump before this topic existed, and now because of it existing, I hate him. Thanks TC <cite>LRodC posted [p:906407348] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>WTF I loved Trump before this topic existed, and now because of it existing, I hate him. Thanks TC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMedz3 08/07/18 1:39:09 AM #104:	That's not enough! I say we need more asbestos! More asbestos! More asbestos! More asbestos! --- Tales of the Abyss 3DS <cite>SuperMedz3 posted [p:906407591] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>That's not enough! I say we need more asbestos! More asbestos! More asbestos! More asbestos!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 08/07/18 1:41:40 AM #105:	I'd like to think companies would just not use the shit, but if it's cheaper I know they will. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:906407666] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>I'd like to think companies would just not use the shit, but if it's cheaper I know they will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 08/07/18 1:45:31 AM #106:	it's cheaper because it's a naturally occurring material --- COOK WITH A GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL JUST TO DRINK OUT THE DRIP TRAY <cite>DavidWong posted [p:906407817] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>it's cheaper because it's a naturally occurring material</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/07/18 1:50:13 AM #107:	booboy posted... Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97. How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906407955] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97.</quote> How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 2:00:18 AM #108:	Zeeak4444 posted... @Questionmarktarius Thoughts on this? We've had a few discussions on regulatory agencies so I'm curious how you feel about this. Asbestos is pretty harmless when it's put in place by properly trained and PFE'd professionals, and never messed with again. I wonder what the hell "use cases" they've come up with that warrants the risk of someone messing with it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906408265] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>@Questionmarktarius Thoughts on this? We've had a few discussions on regulatory agencies so I'm curious how you feel about this.</quote> Asbestos is pretty harmless when it's put in place by properly trained and PFE'd professionals, and never messed with again. I wonder what the hell "use cases" they've come up with that warrants the risk of someone messing with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamashiini 08/07/18 2:05:48 AM #109:	TheRealDill2000 posted... Squidkids posted... @southcoast09 care to try defend trump on this? The EPA wouldn't allow the product to be used if it was unsafe. Clearly, these use cases would not impact anyone. Hahahahahahaha Imagine being this willfully ignorant --- PSN: helicene Careful, Icarus. <cite>tamashiini posted [p:906408431] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote>@southcoast09 care to try defend trump on this?</quote> The EPA wouldn't allow the product to be used if it was unsafe. Clearly, these use cases would not impact anyone.</quote> Hahahahahahaha Imagine being this willfully ignorant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
booboy 08/07/18 2:22:57 AM #110:	Tyranthraxus posted... booboy posted... Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97. How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain Got no idea. I'm not an orange reader. --- There is no problem that can't be solved by applying more yuri to it. In Torque We Trust <cite>booboy posted [p:906408931] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97.</quote> How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain</quote> Got no idea. I'm not an orange reader.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 2:25:10 AM #111:	booboy posted... Tyranthraxus posted... booboy posted... Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97. How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain Got no idea. I'm not an orange reader. Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906408997] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97.</quote> How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain</quote> Got no idea. I'm not an orange reader.</quote> Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 08/07/18 2:39:26 AM #112:	People are literally defending asbestos in 2018. We are through the looking glass. --- "Never seen a group of people more obsessed with a man's naked, hairy ass than the men at Current Events." -SBAllen 2018 We live in a society <cite>Garioshi posted [p:906409421] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>People are literally defending asbestos in 2018. We are through the looking glass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad_Chad 08/07/18 2:41:32 AM #113:	this will be referred to as a new dark age in future books... unless they burn them all or stuff --- Female body inspector and motorboating enthusiast. <cite>Rad_Chad posted [p:906409475] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>this will be referred to as a new dark age in future books... unless they burn them all or stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamashiini 08/07/18 2:57:13 AM #114:	Rad_Chad posted... this will be referred to as a new dark age in future books... unless they burn them all or stuff Can't burn 'em if they're made of asbestos. --- PSN: helicene Careful, Icarus. <cite>tamashiini posted [p:906409903] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rad_Chad posted...</cite> <quote>this will be referred to as a new dark age in future books... unless they burn them all or stuff</quote> Can't burn 'em if they're made of asbestos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 08/07/18 3:08:36 AM #115:	Questionmarktarius posted... Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it. I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh? --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:906410259] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it.</quote> I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 3:13:52 AM #116:	omega cookie posted... Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. See also: http://www.amstat.com/staticmaster/staticmaster-anti-static-brushes/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906410401] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote>Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. </quote> See also: http://www.amstat.com/staticmaster/staticmaster-anti-static-brushes/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamashiini 08/07/18 3:16:02 AM #117:	Questionmarktarius posted... omega cookie posted... Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. See also: http://www.amstat.com/staticmaster/staticmaster-anti-static-brushes/ I have one of these. It is quite handy for destaticking balances. --- PSN: helicene Careful, Icarus. <cite>tamashiini posted [p:906410459] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote>Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. </quote> See also: http://www.amstat.com/staticmaster/staticmaster-anti-static-brushes/</quote> I have one of these. It is quite handy for destaticking balances.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 08/07/18 3:36:27 AM #118:	Usual suspects going to switch from slurping to gagging and coughing pretty soon --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:906410882] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>Usual suspects going to switch from slurping to gagging and coughing pretty soon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 08/07/18 3:40:13 AM #119:	ingesting toxins to own the libs --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:906410955] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>ingesting toxins to own the libs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 08/07/18 4:46:59 AM #120:	omega cookie posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it. I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh? Temper tantrums?! What are you implying... that they're being child-like? How dare you sir! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-hfQ4xsW3Q" data-time="&start=12 --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:906412342] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it.</quote> I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh?</quote> Temper tantrums?! What are you implying... that they're being child-like? How dare you sir! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-hfQ4xsW3Q" data-time="&start=12</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 08/07/18 4:54:55 AM #121:	Funbazooka posted... omega cookie posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it. I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh? Temper tantrums?! What are you implying... that they're being child-like? How dare you sir! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-hfQ4xsW3Q" data-time="&start=12 The best part of that clip has always been when he goes to slam his fist on the table but is too much of a pussy to actually go all the way with his fake outrage. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:906412488] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Arsenic is an integral part of the post-silicon generation of processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide Incidentally, arsenic is another one of those things that's pretty much harmless so long as you don't mess with it.</quote> I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh?</quote> Temper tantrums?! What are you implying... that they're being child-like? How dare you sir! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-hfQ4xsW3Q" data-time="&start=12</quote> The best part of that clip has always been when he goes to slam his fist on the table but is too much of a pussy to actually go all the way with his fake outrage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 08/07/18 5:34:08 AM #122:	Okay so in 50+ years Americans will be starving (anti-bee pesticides), broke/without benefits (corporate oligarchy), and riddled with cancer (asbestos, other environmental rollbacks)? With all those guns, I'm sure the 1% will do very well once hundreds of millions of people are pissed off and have nothing to lose. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:906413166] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>Okay so in 50+ years Americans will be starving (anti-bee pesticides), broke/without benefits (corporate oligarchy), and riddled with cancer (asbestos, other environmental rollbacks)? With all those guns, I'm sure the 1% will do very well once hundreds of millions of people are pissed off and have nothing to lose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FreedomEtrtment 08/07/18 5:38:03 AM #123:	Fuck <cite>FreedomEtrtment posted [p:906413233] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>Fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 08/07/18 5:51:20 AM #124:	TheCyborgNinja posted... Okay so in 50+ years Americans will be starving (anti-bee pesticides), broke/without benefits (corporate oligarchy), and riddled with cancer (asbestos, other environmental rollbacks)? With all those guns, I'm sure the 1% will do very well once hundreds of millions of people are pissed off and have nothing to lose. Trump is so powerful he'll be responsible for the state of the country 50 years later. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:906413478] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>Okay so in 50+ years Americans will be starving (anti-bee pesticides), broke/without benefits (corporate oligarchy), and riddled with cancer (asbestos, other environmental rollbacks)? With all those guns, I'm sure the 1% will do very well once hundreds of millions of people are pissed off and have nothing to lose.</quote> Trump is so powerful he'll be responsible for the state of the country 50 years later. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 08/07/18 6:04:41 AM #125:	Funbazooka posted... TheCyborgNinja posted... Okay so in 50+ years Americans will be starving (anti-bee pesticides), broke/without benefits (corporate oligarchy), and riddled with cancer (asbestos, other environmental rollbacks)? With all those guns, I'm sure the 1% will do very well once hundreds of millions of people are pissed off and have nothing to lose. Trump is so powerful he'll be responsible for the state of the country 50 years later. It's way easier to ruin things vs. repair them. Even without him, the corporations keep squeezing people shamelessly. Collapse is inevitable. China will be Earth's new ruler within our lifetimes. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:906413711] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>Okay so in 50+ years Americans will be starving (anti-bee pesticides), broke/without benefits (corporate oligarchy), and riddled with cancer (asbestos, other environmental rollbacks)? With all those guns, I'm sure the 1% will do very well once hundreds of millions of people are pissed off and have nothing to lose.</quote> Trump is so powerful he'll be responsible for the state of the country 50 years later. </quote> It's way easier to ruin things vs. repair them. Even without him, the corporations keep squeezing people shamelessly. Collapse is inevitable. China will be Earth's new ruler within our lifetimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 08/07/18 10:08:33 AM #126:	Tyranthraxus posted... booboy posted... Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97. How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain Because it's cheap, tough, fire proof, and an insulator. Perfect if you are a contractor and give zero fucks about the people who actually have to be around it. --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:906419986] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>Reading that Snopes article, it says that Trump was generally pro-asbestos even as far back as '97.</quote> How the fuck is someone pro-asbestos That's like saying you're pro arsenic or pro acid rain</quote> Because it's cheap, tough, fire proof, and an insulator. Perfect if you are a contractor and give zero fucks about the people who actually have to be around it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 08/07/18 10:16:03 AM #128:	Approved by Donald Trump: Asbestos sold by Russian company is branded with the presidents face https://tinyurl.com/yb8p8bby Trump selling us to Russia again <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:906420309] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>Approved by Donald Trump: Asbestos sold by Russian company is branded with the presidents face https://tinyurl.com/yb8p8bby Trump selling us to Russia again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 10:23:07 AM #129:	fenderbender321 posted... Didn't read the entire thread, but the OP seems to be missing some context. What buildings will it be using? Has technology made it much safer? What about the fact that it was proven that asbestos actually succeeded in saving more people's lives by preventing fires than it killed by causing cancer? I'm guessing it's being used for spacecraft of something? The structural substitutes for asbestos (fiberglass and rock wool) really aren't much safer. Fiberglass causes silicosis, and rockwool is essentially artificial asbestos anyway. https://www.epicgardening.com/rockwool-harmful/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906420609] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't read the entire thread, but the OP seems to be missing some context. What buildings will it be using? Has technology made it much safer? What about the fact that it was proven that asbestos actually succeeded in saving more people's lives by preventing fires than it killed by causing cancer?</quote> I'm guessing it's being used for spacecraft of something? The structural substitutes for asbestos (fiberglass and rock wool) really aren't much safer. Fiberglass causes silicosis, and rockwool is essentially artificial asbestos anyway. https://www.epicgardening.com/rockwool-harmful/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Disrespector 08/07/18 10:23:09 AM #130:	Rexdragon125 posted... Approved by Donald Trump: Asbestos sold by Russian company is branded with the presidents face https://tinyurl.com/yb8p8bby Trump selling us to Russia again This is why he's doing it lmao --- "Dammit, Smithers! This isn't rocket science, it's brain surgery!" <cite>Disrespector posted [p:906420612] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>Approved by Donald Trump: Asbestos sold by Russian company is branded with the presidents face https://tinyurl.com/yb8p8bby Trump selling us to Russia again</quote> This is why he's doing it lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 08/07/18 10:27:15 AM #131:	I see no issue with this. There are some very fine buildings that contain asbestos. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:906420774] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>I see no issue with this. There are some very fine buildings that contain asbestos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 10:28:08 AM #132:	DifferentialEquation posted... I see no issue with this. There are some very fine buildings that contain asbestos. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906420811] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>I see no issue with this. There are some very fine buildings that contain asbestos.</quote> http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 10:31:57 AM #134:	fenderbender321 posted... And from what I've read, it's the removal of asbestos that increases the danger. I'm assuming the manufacturing process has been improved to be much safer as well. Asbestos blocks could probably have quite a bit of the danger eliminated by coating them with wax or something. I dunno. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906420969] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>And from what I've read, it's the removal of asbestos that increases the danger. I'm assuming the manufacturing process has been improved to be much safer as well.</quote> Asbestos blocks could probably have quite a bit of the danger eliminated by coating them with wax or something. I dunno.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KarmaMuffin 08/07/18 11:39:10 AM #135:	Questionmarktarius posted... http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html Actually, if the world trade center had been built differently it likely would have never fallen. Each tower was constructed with one big central support down the middle in order to maximize floor space and make it more attractive for offices. If there were more supports, spread further out around the towers they would have likely withstood the attack. it is estimated that the World Trade Center contained approximately 400 tons of asbestos fiber at the time of the attacks - much, if not all of which, was also released into the ambient air with the smoke plume, collapsing towers, and subsequent fires https://www.mesothelioma.com/states/new-york/world-trade-center.htm Your Fox link is the kind of unscientific bullshit that lets people excuse shitty decisions like this. Fuck off. <cite>KarmaMuffin posted [p:906423937] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html </quote> Actually, if the world trade center had been built differently it likely would have never fallen. Each tower was constructed with one big central support down the middle in order to maximize floor space and make it more attractive for offices. If there were more supports, spread further out around the towers they would have likely withstood the attack. it is estimated that the World Trade Center contained approximately 400 tons of asbestos fiber at the time of the attacks - much, if not all of which, was also released into the ambient air with the smoke plume, collapsing towers, and subsequent fires https://www.mesothelioma.com/states/new-york/world-trade-center.htm Your Fox link is the kind of unscientific bullshit that lets people excuse shitty decisions like this. Fuck off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 11:41:56 AM #136:	KarmaMuffin posted... Questionmarktarius posted... http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html Actually, if the world trade center had been built differently it likely would have never fallen. Each tower was constructed with one big central support down the middle in order to maximize floor space and make it more attractive for offices. If there were more supports, spread further out around the towers they would have likely withstood the attack. it is estimated that the World Trade Center contained approximately 400 tons of asbestos fiber at the time of the attacks - much, if not all of which, was also released into the ambient air with the smoke plume, collapsing towers, and subsequent fires https://www.mesothelioma.com/states/new-york/world-trade-center.htm Your Fox link is the kind of unscientific bullshit that lets people excuse shitty decisions like this. Fuck off. Regardless of whatever would have kept the building up, two building collapsing definitely falls into the realm of disturbing an existing asbestos installation. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906424078] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html </quote> Actually, if the world trade center had been built differently it likely would have never fallen. Each tower was constructed with one big central support down the middle in order to maximize floor space and make it more attractive for offices. If there were more supports, spread further out around the towers they would have likely withstood the attack. it is estimated that the World Trade Center contained approximately 400 tons of asbestos fiber at the time of the attacks - much, if not all of which, was also released into the ambient air with the smoke plume, collapsing towers, and subsequent fires https://www.mesothelioma.com/states/new-york/world-trade-center.htm Your Fox link is the kind of unscientific bullshit that lets people excuse shitty decisions like this. Fuck off.</quote> Regardless of whatever would have kept the building up, two building collapsing definitely falls into the realm of disturbing an existing asbestos installation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squidkids 08/07/18 11:48:55 AM #137:	Questionmarktarius posted... KarmaMuffin posted... Questionmarktarius posted... http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html Actually, if the world trade center had been built differently it likely would have never fallen. Each tower was constructed with one big central support down the middle in order to maximize floor space and make it more attractive for offices. If there were more supports, spread further out around the towers they would have likely withstood the attack. it is estimated that the World Trade Center contained approximately 400 tons of asbestos fiber at the time of the attacks - much, if not all of which, was also released into the ambient air with the smoke plume, collapsing towers, and subsequent fires https://www.mesothelioma.com/states/new-york/world-trade-center.htm Your Fox link is the kind of unscientific bullshit that lets people excuse shitty decisions like this. Fuck off. Regardless of whatever would have kept the building up, two building collapsing definitely falls into the realm of disturbing an existing asbestos installation. Agreed with the last 2 quotes. disagree with using that article as any kind of proof to anything, I need other sources then fox news. --- Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrr <cite>Squidkids posted [p:906424400] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html </quote> Actually, if the world trade center had been built differently it likely would have never fallen. Each tower was constructed with one big central support down the middle in order to maximize floor space and make it more attractive for offices. If there were more supports, spread further out around the towers they would have likely withstood the attack. it is estimated that the World Trade Center contained approximately 400 tons of asbestos fiber at the time of the attacks - much, if not all of which, was also released into the ambient air with the smoke plume, collapsing towers, and subsequent fires https://www.mesothelioma.com/states/new-york/world-trade-center.htm Your Fox link is the kind of unscientific bullshit that lets people excuse shitty decisions like this. Fuck off.</quote> Regardless of whatever would have kept the building up, two building collapsing definitely falls into the realm of disturbing an existing asbestos installation.</quote> Agreed with the last 2 quotes. disagree with using that article as any kind of proof to anything, I need other sources then fox news.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 08/07/18 11:50:34 AM #138:	Asbestos related illnesses still kill ~15,000 Americans per year. 3,000 people died from the WTC. So no. <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:906424478] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>Asbestos related illnesses still kill ~15,000 Americans per year. 3,000 people died from the WTC. So no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 08/07/18 11:50:59 AM #139:	Disrespector posted... Rexdragon125 posted... Approved by Donald Trump: Asbestos sold by Russian company is branded with the presidents face https://tinyurl.com/yb8p8bby Trump selling us to Russia again This is why he's doing it lmao --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:906424489] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Disrespector posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>Approved by Donald Trump: Asbestos sold by Russian company is branded with the presidents face https://tinyurl.com/yb8p8bby Trump selling us to Russia again</quote> This is why he's doing it lmao</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 11:52:24 AM #140:	Squidkids posted... I need other sources then fox news NYT? https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/18/science/nation-challenged-haunting-question-did-ban-asbestos-lead-loss-life.html <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906424557] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote> I need other sources then fox news</quote> NYT? https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/18/science/nation-challenged-haunting-question-did-ban-asbestos-lead-loss-life.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Red XlV 08/07/18 12:40:39 PM #141:	omega cookie posted... I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh? The EPA specifically said they're not going to give any consideration to safety in regard to approving these "new uses" of asbestos. --- A bad enough dude to save the President. "We chose more government instead of more freedom." - Marco Rubio (R-Florida) on the Bush administration <cite>Red XlV posted [p:906427015] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote>I actually came in to point this out. Allowing asbestos to be used in specific, case by case circumstances, with the proper safety precautions taken isn't inherently bad. Every caustic, carcinogenic, and dangerous substance has some sort of benign use. This doesn't mean they will be stuffing it back into schools or passing out asbestos teddy bears to children. Why not wait and see the uses they allow before throwing temper tantrums, huh? </quote> The EPA specifically said they're not going to give any consideration to safety in regard to approving these "new uses" of asbestos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 08/07/18 12:43:42 PM #142:	muchdran posted... snowman9267 posted... Asbestos doesn't affect my daily life because's it's been banned for years and I haven't had to come into contact with it, as it should be. wtf Just curious how would anyone who owned an old house even know? They're busy being dead --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:906427181] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>muchdran posted...</cite> <quote><cite>snowman9267 posted...</cite> <quote>Asbestos doesn't affect my daily life because's it's been banned for years and I haven't had to come into contact with it, as it should be. wtf</quote> Just curious how would anyone who owned an old house even know?</quote> They're busy being dead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 12:44:51 PM #143:	Kim Kusanagi posted... muchdran posted... snowman9267 posted... Asbestos doesn't affect my daily life because's it's been banned for years and I haven't had to come into contact with it, as it should be. wtf Just curious how would anyone who owned an old house even know? They're busy being dead Radon is vastly more a threat in older houses than asbestos. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906427250] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>muchdran posted...</cite> <quote><cite>snowman9267 posted...</cite> <quote>Asbestos doesn't affect my daily life because's it's been banned for years and I haven't had to come into contact with it, as it should be. wtf</quote> Just curious how would anyone who owned an old house even know?</quote> They're busy being dead</quote> Radon is vastly more a threat in older houses than asbestos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 08/07/18 1:00:16 PM #145:	how about people just don't do it, since we know its bad. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:906428052] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>how about people just don't do it, since we know its bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 08/07/18 1:00:36 PM #146:	there's also the fact that the asbestos that was in the WTC was dispersed all over NYC. so many people who were near the towers on 9/11 are going to die because of the asbestos but hey, at least it's cheap. no sense of risk avoidance so long as the lawsuits cost them less money than better materials will --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:906428077] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote>there's also the fact that the asbestos that was in the WTC was dispersed all over NYC. so many people who were near the towers on 9/11 are going to die because of the asbestos but hey, at least it's cheap. no sense of risk avoidance so long as the lawsuits cost them less money than better materials will</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/07/18 1:03:53 PM #147:	fenderbender321 posted... Or are they an accumulation of people who acquired illnesses many years ago when manufacturing procedures weren't safe as well as people who are working in the construction industry to remove all the asbestos in buildings? There's about twenty years between exposure and cancer, so that. Beryllium Oxide is going to be the next big panic, for largely the same reasons as asbestos. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906428272] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Or are they an accumulation of people who acquired illnesses many years ago when manufacturing procedures weren't safe as well as people who are working in the construction industry to remove all the asbestos in buildings?</quote> There's about twenty years between exposure and cancer, so that. Beryllium Oxide is going to be the next big panic, for largely the same reasons as asbestos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 08/07/18 1:12:47 PM #148:	DifferentialEquation posted... I see no issue with this. There are some very fine buildings that contain asbestos. Like, I get being a parody account for shits and giggles, but when it comes to literal life and death subjects like getting cancer from asbestos, don't you feel even a smidge bad trolling in favor of it? --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:906428735] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>I see no issue with this. There are some very fine buildings that contain asbestos.</quote> Like, I get being a parody account for shits and giggles, but when it comes to literal life and death subjects like getting cancer from asbestos, don't you feel even a smidge bad trolling in favor of it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kim Kusanagi 08/07/18 1:23:13 PM #150:	TheRealDill2000 posted... Solar_Crimson posted... TheRealDill2000 posted... Squidkids posted... @southcoast09 care to try defend trump on this? The EPA wouldn't allow the product to be used if it was unsafe. Clearly, these use cases would not impact anyone. Asbestos is unsafe, period. I'm pretty sure it would be barred if it did not have some safe applications. Now we know who was raised in an asbestos room eating lead paint chips --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:906429311] in EPA allowi... [t:76877561]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solar_Crimson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote> @southcoast09 care to try defend trump on this? </quote> The EPA wouldn't allow the product to be used if it was unsafe. Clearly, these use cases would not impact anyone.</quote> Asbestos is unsafe, period.</quote> I'm pretty sure it would be barred if it did not have some safe applications.</quote> Now we know who was raised in an asbestos room eating lead paint chips</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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