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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/07/18 4:48:46 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5eywLoLCJs" data-time="


Commands fails, less lethal failed, multiple officers point guns failed, however it's determined "not legally justified, but they say the officer will not face criminal charges."

So his life will probably be ruined in a lawsuit. This is why you don't aim for the leg. If you're "calm enough" to pick your shots, you're not justified in using a lethal force (gun).

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KamenRiderBlade
08/07/18 5:10:43 PM
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And if that suspect moves on and hurts other people, then what?

You could've done something in the "HERE & NOW" for the greater safety of society, but you choose to be lazy or negligent and somebody else got hurt.

How would you feel if that was you who could've done something right then and there and changed things?

Or are you going to be callous and says, it doesn't affect me and my family, meh to other people getting hurt by suspect ___ because I can't be arsed to do my job effectively.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/07/18 5:13:14 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
You could've done something in the "HERE & NOW" for the greater safety of society, but you choose to be lazy or negligent and somebody else got hurt.

How would you feel if that was you who could've done something right then and there and changed things?


Exactly, uncle Ben would still be alive if Peter acted when duty called. "just letting them go" when they're fucking armed isn't an option.
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s0nicfan
08/07/18 5:16:39 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
I think that before a cop feels it's necessary to pull their gun out and shoot, they should ask themselves "is it really going to be the end of the world if I just let this guy go for now?"

It's not like cops can't find suspects later on. It's almost as if there's this idea that "omg no you can't just let somebody not comply with the cops and get away. You gotta use lethal force if necessary. Anything it takes to stop somebody from disrespecting us cops!"


Visit a city sometimes.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/07/18 5:20:23 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Visit a city sometimes.
There's a reason why the city is often called the "Urban Jungle" or "Concrete Jungle"
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LightHawKnight
08/07/18 5:23:00 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
I think that before a cop feels it's necessary to pull their gun out and shoot, they should ask themselves "is it really going to be the end of the world if I just let this guy go for now?"

It's not like cops can't find suspects later on. It's almost as if there's this idea that "omg no you can't just let somebody not comply with the cops and get away. You gotta use lethal force if necessary. Anything it takes to stop somebody from disrespecting us cops!"


Why do people think it is okay for a criminal to get away? Why is it okay for that person to continue to hurt others?
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Zikten
08/07/18 5:23:47 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Exactly, uncle Ben would still be alive if Peter acted when duty called. "just letting them go" when they're fucking armed isn't an option.

yea but Peter also doesn't kill
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YourDrunkFather
08/07/18 5:25:41 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
I think that before a cop feels it's necessary to pull their gun out and shoot, they should ask themselves "is it really going to be the end of the world if I just let this guy go for now?"

It's not like cops can't find suspects later on. It's almost as if there's this idea that "omg no you can't just let somebody not comply with the cops and get away. You gotta use lethal force if necessary. Anything it takes to stop somebody from disrespecting us cops!"


Is that how you think cops should operate? Just let violent criminals go? Are you stupid?
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Zikten
08/07/18 5:27:24 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
I think that before a cop feels it's necessary to pull their gun out and shoot, they should ask themselves "is it really going to be the end of the world if I just let this guy go for now?"

It's not like cops can't find suspects later on. It's almost as if there's this idea that "omg no you can't just let somebody not comply with the cops and get away. You gotta use lethal force if necessary. Anything it takes to stop somebody from disrespecting us cops!"


Visit a city sometimes.


Well if somebody disappears never to be found again, is that the end of the world? Is it so necessary to round up every single suspect immediately? Is it not possible that cops are endangering more people's lives needlessly by forcing the issue so boldly than they are saving from possible harm from these suspects in the future by ensuring they are captured? Has anyone bothered to do the math? If not, why not?

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SpiralDrift
08/07/18 5:29:53 PM
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It didn't seem necessary since she wasn't threatening anyone, but at the same time she should have known that if you don't drop a weapon when a cop tells you to you get shot. So she totally brought it on herself, but they probably could have found a better way to deal with that situation. Once you start shooting you run the risk of other people being hurt as well, regardless of whether the suspect had it coming or not.
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s0nicfan
08/07/18 5:30:28 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
I think that before a cop feels it's necessary to pull their gun out and shoot, they should ask themselves "is it really going to be the end of the world if I just let this guy go for now?"

It's not like cops can't find suspects later on. It's almost as if there's this idea that "omg no you can't just let somebody not comply with the cops and get away. You gotta use lethal force if necessary. Anything it takes to stop somebody from disrespecting us cops!"


Visit a city sometimes.


Well if somebody disappears never to be found again, is that the end of the world? Is it so necessary to round up every single suspect immediately? Is it not possible that cops are endangering more people's lives needlessly by forcing the issue so boldly than they are saving from possible harm from these suspects in the future by ensuring they are captured? Has anyone bothered to do the math? If not, why not?


Do you actually think someone fleeing the police is going to spend the rest of their life in hiding without committing any other crimes?
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Mr_Karate_II
08/07/18 5:31:19 PM
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Yeah, the cop is going to be sued. The shooting wasn't justified
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_Goggalor_
08/07/18 5:31:30 PM
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Zikten posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
I think that before a cop feels it's necessary to pull their gun out and shoot, they should ask themselves "is it really going to be the end of the world if I just let this guy go for now?"

It's not like cops can't find suspects later on. It's almost as if there's this idea that "omg no you can't just let somebody not comply with the cops and get away. You gotta use lethal force if necessary. Anything it takes to stop somebody from disrespecting us cops!"


Visit a city sometimes.


Well if somebody disappears never to be found again, is that the end of the world? Is it so necessary to round up every single suspect immediately? Is it not possible that cops are endangering more people's lives needlessly by forcing the issue so boldly than they are saving from possible harm from these suspects in the future by ensuring they are captured? Has anyone bothered to do the math? If not, why not?

cop defenders act like every single criminal on the planet is a viscous serial killer terrorist


Yeah, wouldn't want the criminal to melt and get away through the sewers.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
08/07/18 5:32:18 PM
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If someone is inhinged enough to brandish weapons and ignore calm sensible police officers, theyre going to be doing far worse left to their own devices.

Absolute scum, deserved to be shot.
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Zikten
08/07/18 5:36:23 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
If someone is inhinged enough to brandish weapons and ignore calm sensible police officers, theyre going to be doing far worse left to their own devices.

Absolute scum, deserved to be shot.

doesn't explain all the unarmed criminals who get shot
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SpiralDrift
08/07/18 5:39:07 PM
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I would feel more safe around those officers even with their guns drawn than I would being around that woman.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/07/18 5:41:34 PM
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Cpt_Pineapple posted...
why didn't he shoot the knife out of her hand?
Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
08/07/18 5:43:08 PM
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Zikten posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
If someone is inhinged enough to brandish weapons and ignore calm sensible police officers, theyre going to be doing far worse left to their own devices.

Absolute scum, deserved to be shot.

doesn't explain all the unarmed criminals who get shot


If you dont have enough respect for society to do what a cop says, youre probably doing far worse things on your own.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/07/18 5:43:35 PM
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Zikten posted...
doesn't explain all the unarmed criminals who get shot
So should cops be required to risk having a gun drawn on them in a situation where they can't see if the person has a gun / knife / other dangerous implement in a rear pocket or tucked underneath their clothing?

Should they be required to be shot at first and risk dying?

How much risk should cops be required to take?

Should they have to be injured first, stabbed at first, etc?

Where do YOU draw the line on police needing to take risks?
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Mr_Karate_II
08/07/18 5:50:09 PM
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There wasn't some other way to handle it? Honestly, the cop should be fired
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Ruid
08/07/18 6:02:21 PM
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Zikten posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
If someone is inhinged enough to brandish weapons and ignore calm sensible police officers, theyre going to be doing far worse left to their own devices.

Absolute scum, deserved to be shot.

doesn't explain all the unarmed criminals who get shot

Often for reaching places that make cops scared. When people are terrified, they aren't as capable of making sense and thinking rationally.

Ever see a parent SHOUT commands at a kid and the kid freeze up and their movements seem to have no logic?
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DarkProto05
08/07/18 6:19:49 PM
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People are defending this armed bitch who is potentially dangerous but would do anything to criminalize an unarmed black man.
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eston
08/07/18 6:27:50 PM
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If you're not justified to shoot then you're not justified to shoot. This person should have complied, but this was the wrong way to handle the situation.
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DarkTransient
08/07/18 6:30:02 PM
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DarkProto05 posted...
People are defending this armed bitch who is potentially dangerous but would do anything to criminalize an unarmed black man.


It very much looks like the people who are defending her are the same ones who would defend the "unarmed black man".
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Kazi1212
08/07/18 6:31:02 PM
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Fender bender just blew my fuckingg mind with those posts there, I totally agree.
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Ruid
08/07/18 6:34:58 PM
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"Why did he kill the suspect?! He could have just shot him in the leg or something!"

Then that's what happens and people still aren't happy. God damn...
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eston
08/07/18 6:36:47 PM
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Ruid posted...
"Why did he kill the suspect?! He could have just shot him in the leg or something!"

Then that's what happens and people still aren't happy. God damn...

Well yeah it's not really a good thing to shoot someone when there isn't any pressing reason to shoot them
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Ruid
08/07/18 6:38:53 PM
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Being hesitant to shoot can cost you your life.

Just ask deputy Kyle Dinkheller. Oh wait...you can't.
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spikethedevil
08/07/18 6:40:20 PM
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I'm sorry but how fucking weak are the tasers the US Police use? UK ones actually work.
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_Goggalor_
08/07/18 6:43:17 PM
#37:


spikethedevil posted...
I'm sorry but how fucking weak are the tasers the US Police use? UK ones actually work.


Lol. So clueless:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yaie4bzsFI" data-time="


Let an actual (former) police officer inform you.
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s0nicfan
08/07/18 6:43:19 PM
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eston posted...
Ruid posted...
"Why did he kill the suspect?! He could have just shot him in the leg or something!"

Then that's what happens and people still aren't happy. God damn...

Well yeah it's not really a good thing to shoot someone when there isn't any pressing reason to shoot them


She:
-has a weapon
-won't respond to officer commands
-nonlethal methods proved ineffective
-may have additional weapons under baggy clothes (she had others in her pocket, discovered after she was cuffed).
-STILL managed to disable her without killing her

And if you think a screwdriver can't kill, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg1_F_Gp-Es" data-time="


We also don't know why they responded to a call in the first place, but its clear from the video that they've had to deal with her before. What, exactly, do you think they should have done differently?
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AvantgardeAClue
08/07/18 6:46:14 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
I think that before a cop feels it's necessary to pull their gun out and shoot, they should ask themselves "is it really going to be the end of the world if I just let this guy go for now?"

It's not like cops can't find suspects later on. It's almost as if there's this idea that "omg no you can't just let somebody not comply with the cops and get away. You gotta use lethal force if necessary. Anything it takes to stop somebody from disrespecting us cops!"


This is literally what Uncle Ben died for smh
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spikethedevil
08/07/18 6:49:30 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
spikethedevil posted...
I'm sorry but how fucking weak are the tasers the US Police use? UK ones actually work.


Lol. So clueless:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yaie4bzsFI" data-time="


Let an actual (former) police officer inform you.


That's a legit interesting video thanks for the link.
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Blue_Dream87
08/07/18 6:53:57 PM
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averagejoel
08/07/18 6:58:44 PM
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for someone with "anarchy" in your username, you sure do love justifying police brutality
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Zikten
08/07/18 11:50:18 PM
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Ruid posted...
Often for reaching places that make cops scared.

the victims are scared too. but society decided only the cop's fear matters. we are required to act like perfect people in a stressful situation with no training. cops have the actual training for these scenarios and their fear trumps ours to the point of being allowed to murder us cause we make a mistake
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MuayThai85
08/08/18 12:06:36 AM
#45:


fenderbender321 posted...
Ruid posted...
Being hesitant to shoot can cost you your life.

Just ask deputy Kyle Dinkheller. Oh wait...you can't.


If you were this cop, would you have felt that your life was in danger? That this person really needed to be shot then and there? That it would have been 100% unfeasible to call for backup so that they could wrestle her down and handcuff her?


Let's look at a possible outcomes of cops trying to wrestle her down while carrying a weapon.

1. Cops tackle her, one of them manages to take the screwdriver in the neck and dies.
2. Cops tackle her, one of them manages to take the screwdriver in the armpit piercing a lung and dies.
3. Cops tackle her, one of them manages to take the screwdriver in the arm or leg causing a serious injury and possibly death if an artery is hit.
4. Cops tackle her and restrain her with no injuries to anyone.

Guess what, if I was the cop and non lethal tactics weren't working I would have shot the bitch as well. If you don't drop the fucking weapon when cops with guns pointed at you tell you to then anything that happens is your own fault. "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" as they say.
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eston
08/08/18 7:31:08 AM
#46:


s0nicfan posted...
eston posted...
Ruid posted...
"Why did he kill the suspect?! He could have just shot him in the leg or something!"

Then that's what happens and people still aren't happy. God damn...

Well yeah it's not really a good thing to shoot someone when there isn't any pressing reason to shoot them


She:
-has a weapon
-won't respond to officer commands
-nonlethal methods proved ineffective
-may have additional weapons under baggy clothes (she had others in her pocket, discovered after she was cuffed).
-STILL managed to disable her without killing her

And if you think a screwdriver can't kill, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg1_F_Gp-Es" data-time="


We also don't know why they responded to a call in the first place, but its clear from the video that they've had to deal with her before. What, exactly, do you think they should have done differently?

They responded to a report of two people breaking into cars. She was not being aggressive. The officer who shot her had been on scene for approximately 3 minutes. He was able to aim for her legs specifically because she was just standing there and not attacking anyone. The shooting has already been ruled as unjustified.

There's basically no reason they couldn't have continued to de-escalate. What was the hurry here? 10 more minutes could have made a big difference in how this played out.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/08/18 8:05:30 AM
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eston posted...

Pro-tip. If the cops shoot you with a taser, whether or not that shit works, fucking prat fall because bullets are coming next whether or not you're "aggressive", if you're still standing.

What was the hurry here?


Ending the encounter as quickly as possible to mitigate unnecessary risk to the public and officers.

10 more minutes could have made a big difference in how this played out.


Yeah she might have lunged at one and shoot several bullets to the chest. Lucky her.
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El Mexicano Texano
08/08/18 8:26:56 AM
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The problem here is that the cops shot at a jacket with a taser.....should have shot the legs with the taser instead....
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Patchwork
08/08/18 8:56:18 AM
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Holy shit at the ignorance in here.
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CM_Ponch
08/08/18 9:01:44 AM
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"Just let the criminal go"
Incredible bait
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