Current Events > Will a democrat win Ohio's 12th special congressional election tonight?

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Kombucha
08/07/18 9:10:57 PM
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Is there a coming blue wave? - Results (18 votes)
Yes
44.44% (8 votes)
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No
55.56% (10 votes)
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Danny OConnor (D) leads by 5 percentage points over Troy Balderson (R) with 50 percent of precincts fully reporting.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/07/us/elections/results-ohio-special-house-election-district-12.html
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BWLurker
08/07/18 9:12:27 PM
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Probably. You'd think the GOP would learn that when Trump stumps for someone, it turns public opinion against them.
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IslamMD
08/07/18 9:13:15 PM
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Yes
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Damn_Underscore
08/07/18 9:17:10 PM
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It's basically up to Delaware County which is about equal right now.

Who are these guys anyway?
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Kombucha
08/07/18 9:37:18 PM
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It's difficult to tell who politicians are and what they stand for when they have so little experience.

So really, I couldn't tell you much. You can kind of glean what a candidate stands for if you follow the money though:

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/contributors?cycle=2018&id=OH12&spec=N

Right off the bat I noticed contributions from end citizens united. O'Connor has said he does not intend to support Nancy Pelosi as a party leader.

Danny OConnor leads by 0.9 percentage points, or 1,433 votes, over Troy Balderson with 81 percent of precincts fully reporting.
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Coffeebeanz
08/07/18 9:39:18 PM
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It's gonna be hard to end Citizens United after it got upheld by the supreme court, sadly.
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TheRealDill2000
08/07/18 9:40:12 PM
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Trump and Fox News have been talking about the upcoming Red Wave. This talk of a blue wave is #fakenews.
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BWLurker
08/07/18 9:40:44 PM
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This is quite a close election for a district that was 12+ red
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Coffeebeanz
08/07/18 9:41:00 PM
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TheRealDill2000 posted...
Trump and Fox News have been talking about the upcoming Red Wave. This talk of a blue wave is #fakenews.


The only wave will be MAGA fanboy tears
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Damn_Underscore
08/07/18 9:44:02 PM
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BWLurker posted...
This is quite a close election for a district that was 12+ red


The results right now by county are similar to what they were in the presidential election
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Garioshi
08/07/18 9:44:59 PM
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they're less than 200 votes apart right now holy shit
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BWLurker
08/07/18 9:45:44 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
BWLurker posted...
This is quite a close election for a district that was 12+ red


The results right now by county are similar to what they were in the presidential election

My point is that this district should have been a slam dunk for Balderson
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Coffeebeanz
08/07/18 9:47:30 PM
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I'll be thrilled to see Trump lose in 2020 even though I cringe at the 4-8 years of smug elitism I'll have to endure afterwards. More "teaching moments"
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Kombucha
08/07/18 9:50:40 PM
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Looks like Delaware county is red and basically has the most remaining percentage left to be counted.

Troy Balderson(R) leads by 0.6 percentage points, or 1,031 votes, over Danny OConnor(D) with 89 percent of precincts fully reporting.
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Capn Circus
08/07/18 11:50:01 PM
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Looks like the liberals lost this one
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BWLurker
08/07/18 11:52:58 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Looks like the liberals lost this one

I wouldn't say so. Binary wins don't really matter in special elections like this. Balderson won't have enough time in Congress for his incumbency to matter in November. The fact that a +11 district went to less than a percentage point victory scares the hell out of any Republicans who understand political analysis.
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ElatedVenusaur
08/07/18 11:56:20 PM
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Close, but no cigar here. Perhaps in 3 months from now?
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Capn Circus
08/08/18 12:03:01 AM
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BWLurker posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Looks like the liberals lost this one

I wouldn't say so. Binary wins don't really matter in special elections like this. Balderson won't have enough time in Congress for his incumbency to matter in November. The fact that a +11 district went to less than a percentage point victory scares the hell out of any Republicans who understand political analysis.


That's fine. A win is a win. We'll just have to see how it keeps into November.
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Nomadic View
08/08/18 9:53:05 AM
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Is Ohio typically a swing state in mid terms?
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MAGA2020
08/08/18 10:15:49 AM
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Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighway toooooooooo tha MAGA ZONE! ^_^
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Balrog0
08/08/18 10:19:39 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Is Ohio typically a swing state in mid terms?


well, the concept of a swing state usually applies to presidential elections, but yes, Ohio's statewide races are often close and contentious

however, from what I've seen, this year Sherrod Brown is not worried about his opponent
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darkjedilink
08/08/18 10:20:47 AM
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BWLurker posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Looks like the liberals lost this one

I wouldn't say so. Binary wins don't really matter in special elections like this. Balderson won't have enough time in Congress for his incumbency to matter in November. The fact that a +11 district went to less than a percentage point victory scares the hell out of any Republicans who understand political analysis.

Just 12 hours ago, you were certain he'd lose...
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Balrog0
08/08/18 10:21:25 AM
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from what I understand, they are waiting for provisional ballots to call the race, right? that was the state of things when I went ot bed last night
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Balrog0
08/08/18 6:01:14 PM
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I legit think the democrat will win here btw

the gap between the D and R just shrank by about 200 due to a counting error

There are around 3k provisional ballots, which tend to favor democrats pretty heavily, and about 5000 absentee ballots which are hard to predict

it's plausible. there's gonna be a recount either way imho
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Balrog0
08/08/18 6:02:16 PM
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they dont start counting those until 10 days from now though
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BWLurker
08/08/18 6:03:45 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
they dont start counting those until 10 days from now though

That could actually flip it? O'Connor can wait that long to concede?
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davyheinz
08/08/18 6:04:09 PM
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Counting error? Hmm
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Balrog0
08/08/18 6:07:39 PM
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BWLurker posted...
Balrog0 posted...
they dont start counting those until 10 days from now though

That could actually flip it? O'Connor can wait that long to concede?


I'm not an expert on Ohio voting laws but my understanding is that the state/county isn't allowed to start counting provisional ballots and absentee ballots until 10 days after the election for some reason.

In this case, the vote is close enough that O'Connor could demand a recount, but I don't expect either candidate to concede until after the other votes are counted. And then whoever loses will almost certainly ask for a recount if they can

edit: to be clear it is a long shot for O'Connor to win here, I am going out on a limb based on anecdotes and my gut, not really based on research or anything. Mathematically it is definitely possible, though
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BWLurker
08/08/18 6:14:18 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
BWLurker posted...
Balrog0 posted...
they dont start counting those until 10 days from now though

That could actually flip it? O'Connor can wait that long to concede?


I'm not an expert on Ohio voting laws but my understanding is that the state/county isn't allowed to start counting provisional ballots and absentee ballots until 10 days after the election for some reason.

In this case, the vote is close enough that O'Connor could demand a recount, but I don't expect either candidate to concede until after the other votes are counted. And then whoever loses will almost certainly ask for a recount if they can

edit: to be clear it is a long shot for O'Connor to win here, I am going out on a limb based on anecdotes and my gut, not really based on research or anything. Mathematically it is definitely possible, though

Huh, that'd be quite the upset
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DirkDiggles
08/08/18 6:19:11 PM
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Funbazooka
08/08/18 6:22:25 PM
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southcoast09
08/08/18 6:25:13 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
Trump and Fox News have been talking about the upcoming Red Wave. This talk of a blue wave is #fakenews.


The only wave will be MAGA fanboy tears

Ohh, how clever. You took the whole the blue wave will be liberal tears thing and copy catted it.
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Kombucha
08/08/18 6:26:24 PM
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Fuck off with this 4chan garbage. Trying to have a topic here but in come the russian neckbeardbots.
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BWLurker
08/08/18 6:27:29 PM
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Garbage tier memes too, lol
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Funbazooka
08/08/18 6:27:54 PM
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Russians invented the neckbeard
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Capn Circus
08/08/18 6:28:10 PM
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gYP2azV
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BWLurker
08/08/18 6:30:55 PM
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Guess what they say is true:Trumpers can't meme
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DirkDiggles
08/08/18 6:32:10 PM
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Kombucha posted...
Fuck off with this 4chan garbage. Trying to have a topic here but in come the russian neckbeardbots.



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southcoast09
08/08/18 6:43:08 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
gYP2azV

Haha, good one
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BWLurker
08/08/18 6:47:27 PM
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I saw this writeup on 261, I'd love to hear any Trumper argue with it

benjjjamin posted...
Here are the R spreads of those 9 races they defended:

Kansas 4th: R+29. Won R+6. Lost 23 popularity points.
Montana @ large: R+21. Won R+6. Lost 16 popularity points.
Georgia 6th: R+9. Won R+4. Lost 6 popularity points
South Carolina 5th: R+19. Won R+3. Lost 16 popularity points.
Utah 3rd: R+35. Won R+32. Lost 3 popularity points.
PA 18th: R+21. Lost D+.5. Lost 22 popularity points.
AZ 8th: R+25. Won R+5. Lost 20 popularity points.
TX 27th: R+26th. Won R+21. Lost 5 popularity points.
OH 12th: R+14. Won R+1 preliminarily. Lost 13 popularity points.

Average loss of popularity points: 13.
Anticipated house losses in November if -13% holds: 70.
Chance of losing the house this year if -13% holds: 92%
Chance of losing the senate THIS YEAR if -13% holds: 45%.

These 9 defenses have been from deeply republican areas. Average spread is +25% republican.
9 defenses, should have been 9 wins. It was almost 4 losses.

Math will exact its reality, when you put that national 13 point republican loss to a litany of house seats with under a 10 point spread.

Of which there was only ONE so far.

He didn't even factor in the actual losses R sustained, such as Lamb
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