Board 8 > Chris' Music Mafia Topic 13: It's a Bon Jovi song

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Tony, scroll up to my post where I have a bunch of bolded things.

It goes over both mine and FD plans.

Then you and puns should decide on the plan that you want to do, and we'll throw our votes onto it.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Shes consistently twisted any content mentioning her into its worst possible interpretation

this isn't far from true

of everyone left, ben is the only player who didn't vote any of the confirmed flipped scum until day 3 (except MZero and FD, who...have yet to vote a confirmed flipped scum >_> but coincidentally are the most likely town, so)

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Han plan
puns, Tony, X1, X2, X3, X4

-X1 only gets killed in 0 Scum. (confirms 3 people - puns, Tony, and X1 through death)
-puns only gets killed in 2 Scum. (confirms final 2 Scum, win game tomorrow)

-In 1 Scum, removed name on left, blow up person on right:
puns, X3, X4 -> Tony (confirms both Tony and puns, if lucky, Tony is Scum who dies first)
Tony -> X2 (confirms puns as Scum, Tony as Town, and X2 through death)
X2 -> X3 (confirms X2, X3 through death, and that one of Tony/puns is Scum)
X1 -> X4 (confirms X1, X4 through death, and that one of Tony/puns is Scum)

Ok so if im reading it right, half of these confirm 1 Town in exchange for 1 extra Town death and dont tell us anything about whether me or Puns are Town, and probably inspire our subsequent mislynches?

And also youre literally only considering scum in Puns and I, which means we lose with your plan if Puns is Town or any of X1-X4 are scum and dont get blown up?

Ill go over FDs plan in a sec, but id like to hear if im understanding this right.
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turbopuns2 posted...

of everyone left, ben is the only player who didn't vote any of the confirmed flipped scum until day 3 (except MZero and FD, who...have yet to vote a confirmed flipped scum >_> but coincidentally are the most likely town, so)

ben didn't END a day on scum until day 4 (guilty scan)

noteworthy also...both Zach AND Tange (and Han, actually) ended Day 1 on Zam and Day 3 on Red (though zam did claim mafia outright)

We have less than two hours until deadline. Need to decide on a course of action for the lynch, need to get the people on it.
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##Vote: Ben

fuck it. you all don't need me on the bomb to figure out I'm town. I've tried looking at this game every which way and I'm getting nowhere.

voting the guy with the most pro-scum voting record.

MAYBE IT'S THAT EASY

So youre saying you believe Tony is town?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Han plan
puns, Tony, X1, X2, X3, X4

-X1 only gets killed in 0 Scum. (confirms 3 people - puns, Tony, and X1 through death)
-puns only gets killed in 2 Scum. (confirms final 2 Scum, win game tomorrow)

-In 1 Scum, removed name on left, blow up person on right:
puns, X3, X4 -> Tony (confirms both Tony and puns, if lucky, Tony is Scum who dies first)
Tony -> X2 (confirms puns as Scum, Tony as Town, and X2 through death)
X2 -> X3 (confirms X2, X3 through death, and that one of Tony/puns is Scum)
X1 -> X4 (confirms X1, X4 through death, and that one of Tony/puns is Scum)

Ok so if im reading it right, half of these confirm 1 Town in exchange for 1 extra Town death and dont tell us anything about whether me or Puns are Town, and probably inspire our subsequent mislynches?

And also youre literally only considering scum in Puns and I, which means we lose with your plan if Puns is Town or any of X1-X4 are scum and dont get blown up?

Ill go over FDs plan in a sec, but id like to hear if im understanding this right.

I'm really glad you decided until 2 hours were up to start participating. Really helpful.

No. All of my scenarios confirm at least 2 peoples alignments. We have to risk people who are Town exploding, but we gain information.
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DoubleTangicide posted...

So youre saying you believe Tony is town?

He has been saying that all day.
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And I still dont get why he thinks that
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turbopuns2 posted...

##Vote: Ben

fuck it. you all don't need me on the bomb to figure out I'm town. I've tried looking at this game every which way and I'm getting nowhere.

voting the guy with the most pro-scum voting record.

MAYBE IT'S THAT EASY

No.

Ben can be our X1. If you and Tony are Town. MZero blows him up.

Will you agree to that?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I propose we do operation Han, with:

puns, Tony
X1: (person we want to die if both puns and Tony are Town)
X2: Han
X3: Death
X4: Crescent

Currently I'm X1. If we keep the rest of the list the same then I want Tange to be X1
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DoubleTangicide posted...

And I still dont get why he thinks that

What exactly about me voting ben brought you to this conclusion

I dont get why you believe Tony

I get why you chose ben

I dont necessarily agree with it, but I see your logic
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I'm really glad you decided until 2 hours were up to start participating. Really helpful.

I said hours ago that I was busy and asked for direction/questions so I dont know else what to tell you, dude.

No. All of my scenarios confirm at least 2 peoples alignments. We have to risk people who are Town exploding, but we gain information.

They confirm one of us via flip, right?

Like do we even know the order in which names are removed from this list? If scum is in X1-X4, do we learn that?
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DoubleTangicide posted...

I dont get why you believe Tony

I get why you chose ben

I dont necessarily agree with it, but I see your logic

I want to understand what thought process led you to asking me that question in that moment

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Like do we even know the order in which names are removed from this list? If scum is in X1-X4, do we learn that?

Dude, I'm sorry but you are literally...like, 96 hours behind on how this role works. And it's ALL we've talked about, more or less.

That is not a good look.

I literally just said I wasnt reading that shit, a simple answer would be more helpful.
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turbopuns2 posted...

##Vote: Ben

fuck it. you all don't need me on the bomb to figure out I'm town. I've tried looking at this game every which way and I'm getting nowhere.

voting the guy with the most pro-scum voting record.

MAYBE IT'S THAT EASY

Puns, were you in the last game where I was scum? In that game, everyone called me town because my voting history was just so good. I tried to get our roleblocker killed since the beginning, and then voted to kill him in an end of day tiebreaker between town and scum. So I was cleared as town due to that. I thought i remembered you being bitter about it. Did you forget? The point I'm trying to make is that you shouldnt go after me based on just voting history. You'll be bitter again.

And I really don't want you leaving Mzero. At least until you propose a plan without you in the pool
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My bad Tony, I didnt realize you have no idea how MZero's claim works.

MZero submitted 2 names last night - you and puns. If he's lynched, a name will be removed from his possible targets for each Scum he correctly predicted last night.

So we have the potential to either:
- confirm you and puns as town and kill X1
- confirm you and puns as both scum
- confirm one of you is scum, and ALSO have a 50% chance using my plan to confirm one of the X's as town, as well as killing another

If one of X1-X4 is scum, we only learn that by blowing them up
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Ill be honest, I havent been paying reading all this Bomb theorizing too closely because it seems like a way to game statistics in something based a lot on chance? I feel like the proper way would be for MZero / someone he trusts to scumhunt, and then he just blows up his scummiest read.

Tl;dr i didnt read so I dont know, but are we even sure wed be getting proper info from it?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I literally just said I wasnt reading that shit, a simple answer would be more helpful.

That statement is basically equivalent to "I'm not reading the game for 2 game days"

But nonetheless

The town who are removed are chosen randomly. We don't designate an order they are removed in. So we need to agree on a system by which we can infer who was removed based on who blows up.

Ben I'm almost certain I've never been in a game where you were scum

Tony, all your assumptions about MZero appear to be incorrect.

We can get up to 4 people's roles confirmed using my methodology.
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turbopuns2 posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

I dont get why you believe Tony

I get why you chose ben

I dont necessarily agree with it, but I see your logic

I want to understand what thought process led you to asking me that question in that moment

We've all more or less agreed to test Mzero today. You're going rogue. that's why I asked
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

My bad Tony, I didnt realize you have no idea how MZero's claim works.

MZero submitted 2 names last night - you and puns. If he's lynched, a name will be removed from his possible targets for each Scum he correctly predicted last night.

So we have the potential to either:
- confirm you and puns as town and kill X1
- confirm you and puns as both scum
- confirm one of you is scum, and ALSO have a 50% chance using my plan to confirm one of the X's as town, as well as killing another

If one of X1-X4 is scum, we only learn that by blowing them up

Ah ok, I get it now. I missed the connection between his night message and the names being removed.

Let me re-read youre and FDs plan now and see if it makes more sense to me now.
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Let's get a new topic

Your*
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DoubleTangicide posted...

We've all more or less agreed to test Mzero today. You're going rogue. that's why I asked

I still don't understand how you're connecting me doing that to me thinking tony is town though

benjamin3740 posted...

The point I'm trying to make is that you shouldnt go after me based on just voting history. You'll be bitter again.

Btw this response is scummy as shit. You're threatening me with bitterness?

turbopuns2 posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

We've all more or less agreed to test Mzero today. You're going rogue. that's why I asked

I still don't understand how you're connecting me doing that to me thinking tony is town though

Puns, I literally told him you've been saying that all day.

You choosing not to take this opportunity to use MZero seems inefficient and honestly kinda scummy.

If scum is killing with a ninja, and we don't lynch them today, then MZero probably dies tonight.
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I found the game. It was F 2017 mafia. Turns out every B8er except Puns was in it

Death and Tange are the only living ones left who were in it. They were scum with me
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Puns, I literally told him you've been saying that all day.

This is irrelevant considering he made the conclusion before you said that. I want to understand his thought process.

I had forgotten just how bad it feels to come face to face with mortality. My headspace isn't quite right right now, going to read up.

will someone who isn't on mobile please make a new topic

I got it
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turbopuns2 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

The point I'm trying to make is that you shouldnt go after me based on just voting history. You'll be bitter again.

Btw this response is scummy as shit. You're threatening me with bitterness?

I'm not threatening you. I'm trying to tell you it's not wise and it's not right. I mean I could just say "No I'm town", but I'm trying to give you some evidence since I think you're town and trying to find scum.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Day 5: Never voted again, though Tony tried to bait me into hammering Scare early, which I didn't want to do.

I literally did not.

"Crescent needs to vote" when Scare was sitting there at -1 and it was obvious who I'd be voting if I did vote.

Twisting content, you say?

Onto page 10.

Also how much has Tony contributed today other than whining that I'm not being suspected enough?

I actually agree with the sentiment, but I feel like it's most of his recent content.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76918443
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Also can we just decide on a plan and get ready go with it? The day ends in an hour and I'm not of right mind for this right now.

We're going to need time to get either one set up.

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