Current Events > Mark Hamill still doesn't understand The Last Jedi

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Nobody does.
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Its real simple. Rian Johnson wanted to deconstruct how the Jedi are thought of. They arent this immaculately perfect order. They shouldnt be able to solo an entire army. They make mistakes, just like anyone else.

What I do respect Hamill for is putting on one hell of a performance despite not liking the character arc for Luke. As much as it pained all the TLJ haters, Hamill played an excellent hermit Luke, even if thats not what some fans or the actor himself wanted. Complete professsional and he stole the show.
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I think it's past time to move on, folks.

mew4ever posted...

Its real simple. Rain Johnson wanted to to deconstruct how the Jedi are thought of. They arent this immaculately perfect order. They shouldnt be able to solo an entire army. They make mistakes, just like anyone else.

What I do respect Hamill for is putting on one hell of a performance despite not liking the character arc for Luke. As much as it pained all the TLJ haters, Hamill played an excellent hermit Luke, even if thats not what some fans or the actor himself wanted. Complete professsional and he stole the show.

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Neither do I.
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refmon posted...

Nobody does.

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Why are the fans actually hating him for not being perfect. Heroes fall eventually, always.
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I get why Rian Johnson did it, I just dont think its a good decision
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MorningRose posted...

mew4ever posted...

Its real simple. Rain Johnson wanted to to deconstruct how the Jedi are thought of. They arent this immaculately perfect order. They shouldnt be able to solo an entire army. They make mistakes, just like anyone else.

What I do respect Hamill for is putting on one hell of a performance despite not liking the character arc for Luke. As much as it pained all the TLJ haters, Hamill played an excellent hermit Luke, even if thats not what some fans or the actor himself wanted. Complete professsional and he stole the show.

Bingo

I think TLJ has several flaws that deserve to be discussed, but the outright fury over Luke's arc is something I don't really get. The actor himself didn't really agree with it, but he was an artist and gave a great, convincing performance. I'd say he was a significantly better actor than he was ever in the originals.
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Honestly, Luke was about the only thing I liked about TLJ *shrug*
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Felt like the flaws in the Jedi Order were shown in Revenge of the Sith, didn't need to be shown in TLJ.
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didnt they cut a scene of Luke grieving for Han for that scene of Luke drinking alien milk
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mew4ever posted...

Its real simple. Rian Johnson wanted to deconstruct how the Jedi are thought of. They arent this immaculately perfect order. They shouldnt be able to solo an entire army. They make mistakes, just like anyone else.

What I do respect Hamill for is putting on one hell of a performance despite not liking the character arc for Luke. As much as it pained all the TLJ haters, Hamill played an excellent hermit Luke, even if thats not what some fans or the actor himself wanted. Complete professsional and he stole the show.

But they can do that, he changed what the Jedi are.
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I thought it was obvious that the Jedi were too stagnant and confident in their own power.
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LightningAce11 posted...

I thought it was obvious that the Jedi were too stagnant and confident in their own power.

The.... Luke?

He's literally all that was left
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It just goes to show the ineptitude of Rian Johnson.
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The movie makes perfect sense.

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I blame Aunt Beru for Luke's passion for blue titty milk
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"But GUYS it's okay Mark Hamill said he LIKED the movie after saying he hated it"
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TLJ was a bad movie
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is there a reason Luke didn't actually show up to fight Kylo?

i mean he fucking ends up dying anyway from using his powers
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

is there a reason Luke didn't actually show up to fight Kylo?

i mean he fucking ends up dying anyway from using his powers

He didn't have a ship.
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I like Mark Hamill and respect his opinion but I wish people would stop using him to justify their dislike of the film
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Doom_Art posted...

I like Mark Hamill and respect his opinion but I wish people would stop using him to justify their dislike of the film

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Doom_Art posted...

I like Mark Hamill and respect his opinion but I wish people would stop using him to justify their dislike of the film

I sort of agree, but at the same time, if the actor who has portrayed the character since it's inception doesn't agree with how it was written, why should the audience buy the version presented by a newcomer to the franchise?
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Doom_Art posted...

I like Mark Hamill and respect his opinion but I wish people would stop using him to justify their dislike of the film

Me too. The film sucks plenty enough on its own to have to pull on Hamill's distaste of it as well.
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Doom_Art posted...

I like Mark Hamill and respect his opinion but I wish people would stop using him to justify their dislike of the film

Well in your case it seems like our own opinion isn't cutting it

So why wouldn't you use one of the lead actors as evidence
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If you listen to Mark Hamill & Carrie Fishers interviews they often referred to their characters as themselves.

Like imagine if Chris Hemsworth would say yeah and so I have to fight Loki instead of So Thor has to fight Loki.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

Why are the fans actually hating him for not being perfect. Heroes fall eventually, always.

My guess is they are too used to EU Star Wars where Luke is literally a demigod.
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St0rmFury posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

Why are the fans actually hating him for not being perfect. Heroes fall eventually, always.

My guess is they are too used to EU Star Wars where Luke is literally a demigod.

This is always thrown around as the decisive answer and it's not particularly true
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PoopPotato posted...

Felt like the flaws in the Jedi Order were shown in Revenge of the Sith, didn't need to be shown in TLJ.

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mew4ever posted...

Its real simple. Rian Johnson wanted to deconstruct how the Jedi are thought of. They arent this immaculately perfect order. They shouldnt be able to solo an entire army. They make mistakes, just like anyone else.

So... what the prequels did? Yes, fine, they were strong. But they were also flawed. They fell. That was the point. Luke was supposed to usher in a new, better order. But they regressed the universe 30 years, ruined Luke's character, and I guess Rey will usurp his place in building it.
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Yeah it does seem unreasonable that the jedi order that fell because they were so flawed and rigid... falls again due to Luke no longer believing in the system? But the system's essentially already dead. Luke is now the word of the Jedi, and yeah Luke was a symbol of hope that should've brought about a more lasting peace.

But then again, it's not like we didn't see Luke succumb to rage. Maybe it's that Luke wasn't such a Gary Stu or whatever the term for guys for Mary Sue.
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Lucus, deliver us from this
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i understand that kathleen kennedy is a dumb fucking bitch
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There's no understanding it. It was a hit job. An assassination of his character. And all for nothing but the shock value of it.

I said it when it came out. All of that film is terrible. But where as with the prequels they're terrible due to incompetence. They still have a story the tell. With TLJ I got the distinct impression that's it's terrible on purpose. There's an obvious feeling of meanness to the way TLJ is written and directed. The shitting on everything and all the fans can be felt. And it's not clever or makes any sense. You can dig up my old posts about it if anyone wants to. However you do it.
Incompetence vs maliciousness. The first is forgivable. The second is not.

And if you haven't already, go watch the Plinkett review that just came out. They unearthed some old interview of the little pos fuck Rian Johnson where the bastard flat out says that he gets his jollies when his film is as divisive as it can be. WTF?! So without purpose, flying in the face of established characters and rules, shitting of everything in sight. As far as he's concerned as long as he can piss off a good chunk of viewers then destroy it all. Pissing people off is the end goal.
WTF. That sniveling like prick shouldn't be allowed to go near any film for the remainder of his pathetic waste of a life.
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TLJ gets too much hate.

TFA was equally terrible.

Star Wars has 6 movies and a spinoff to me. Haven't seen Solo yet so just Rogue one ATM.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Star Wars has 6 movies and a spinoff to me. Haven't seen Solo yet so just Rogue one ATM.

Solo was actually surprisingly good. I was expecting it to be terrible. It's something I would love to see a sequel for.
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Banjo2553 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Star Wars has 6 movies and a spinoff to me. Haven't seen Solo yet so just Rogue one ATM.

Solo was actually surprisingly good. I was expecting it to be terrible. It's something I would love to see a sequel for.

I hated TLJ and I agree with this
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Imagine telling people in the early 2000s that prequel apologists were going to become a thing. I get and accept what TLJ was trying to do (which seems more than most people are willing to do) but I admit its got some flaws. But when I hear people say its clearly worse than episodes one and two I just dont know what to say man.
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The thing that pissed me off is that

He decided to fight Kylo.... as a fucking hologram. He was gonna die for sure from the effort of keeping his hologram ruse, so why not fight like a man instead and kill Kylo or neutralize him?
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Guerrilla Soldier posted...

is there a reason Luke didn't actually show up to fight Kylo?

i mean he fucking ends up dying anyway from using his powers

He didn't have a ship.

Also
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Please note: I haven't seen any of the new movies or any of the EU.

But I have played Knights of the Old Republic and I find it kinda amusing as the Jedis being stagnent and flawed is literally the plot of the entire game.

As alien hoardes destroy, raid, rape and pilage worlds on the outer rim of the galaxy the Jedi are like "How about we don't do anything at all to help lol" and just sit there and watch.

Some young Jedis rebell against this and go and kick the aliens ass, they get scolded by the older Jedi which in turns leads to them becoming Sith and taking over even more planets. Slowly turning from trying to save the universe into trying to control it

As the game starts the Jedi are on the verge of extiniction and the former Jedi now Sith young rebel group is on its way to taking over the universe.

They even have a bald black ex-Jedi who quit the order over how stupid it was that they weren't allowed to love or be happy. And he's like "Why not we just don't be Sith, don't be dicks... But keep all these kickass powers and live normal lives?"

And he comes across as the only sane Jedi or Sith in the entire Star Wars canon that I am aware of,
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Zeeak4444 posted...

TFA was equally terrible.

I hated how derivative some of it was and how it regressed the universe 30 years. But some parts were entertaining, much moreso than TLJ (which had, um, oh the throne scene was cool, outside the 'twist').

mew4ever posted...

Imagine telling people in the early 2000s that prequel apologists were going to become a thing.

Some people actually like them.

mew4ever posted...

I get and accept what TLJ was trying to do (which seems more than most people are willing to do) but I admit its got some flaws. But when I hear people say its clearly worse than episodes one and two I just dont know what to say man.

I get it. But it has A LOT of flaws and it is worse than 1 and even edges out 2 for me. I'd rather rewatch 2 than 8. I'll take some boring bits over boring bits that are also destroying characters.
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Sir Will posted...

I guess Rey will usurp his place in building it.

why did it take nearly 40 posts for someone to realize that undermining old heroes was necessary for new heroes to seem relevant

that's the reason, it was obvious to me, it should be obvious to anyone, and their approach towards it was extremely ham-fisted.

the problem with the new star wars films is they do not have a credible narrative that flows logically from the prior six films. that is what is so jarring, and the justifications they chose rely on large personality shifts of multiple OT characters.
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I never understood why so many people were unhappy with Luke's portrayal only after the movie was released. I thought the trailer for it showed exactly what Luke was going to be. People acted like it was a surprise.
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