Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 190: Slightly Erotic Politics

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Okay I read that link. Is there another link with total supposed comments?

That said, it sounds a lot like an administration rife with a lot of differing viewpoints.
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Corrik posted...

Okay I read that link. Is there another link with total supposed comments?

Total supposed? Do you mean supported?

The book isn't even out yet. I know Woodward has released the document referred to in the story as the termination of a trade deal with South Korea that Cohn allegedly stole from Trump's desk (and thereby "saved" the deal.)
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I mean, is there a link with the entire conversations and not excerpts.
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Corrik posted...

I mean, is there a link with the entire conversations and not excerpts.

No because the book isn't out yet.

We need to wait until Tuesday.
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Can I respond to it on Tuesday or so on whenever the person's views on it come out in totality?
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Corrik not knowing who BOB WOODWARD is stuns even me
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I still don't know who he is besides he wrote a book. Why is that weird? Did you all know who he is on the fly beforehand?
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Corrik posted...

Can I respond to it on Tuesday or so on whenever the person's views on it come out in totality?

Sure, no problem.
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Corrik posted...

I still don't know who he is besides he wrote a book. Why is that weird? Did you all know who he is on the fly beforehand?

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Have you ever heard the names "Woodward & Bernstein" before?
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No?
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And that is an ironclad normal conservative viewpoint
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Corrik posted...

I still don't know who he is besides he wrote a book. Why is that weird? Did you all know who he is on the fly beforehand?

I mean, I did.

But I like reading about political stuff so his involvement in Watergate meant he was known to me. (And he's involved in a lot more later. Watergate was the start of his career.)

I think it's a little weird, I guess. He really is one of the biggest names in journalism over the last century IMO. His and Bernstein's work on Watergate alone elevated him to that status. Like, I'm sure if you polled the average person walking the street I wouldn't expect them to know but then I have a low opinion of people! Within the context of posters in a politics topic, yeah I would. If not for his earlier accomplishments then if only for this book. As mentioned, it was the biggest story in the early part of the week. Trump was tweeting and talking about it, I've seen it referenced a lot on late night shows, etc.

I wasn't being snarky with you before when I gave a quick background on him, for the record, just providing you that info.
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Well, you have to understand a normal conservative does not care about all the nonsense. They know about about the regular. I do not know who he is. I will read the quotes when they come out. What I gathered is Trump is out of control and Pence is loving it???? Unsure on that, but I will read me on it. I can only comment on what I know. I can't just blindly do whatever.
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Corrik posted...

I still don't know who he is besides he wrote a book. Why is that weird? Did you all know who he is on the fly beforehand?

This is bonkers crazy.

He was one of the two reporters who broke Watergate. Dont you have a history B.A.?
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Corrik posted...

And that is an ironclad normal conservative viewpoint

There is only one answer to this.

"Who are you, that do not know your history?"

He's one of the two guys who blew the lid on Watergate. He is maybe the most respected US journalist, period. His pedigree is so far beyond question that it's on other people to prove anything he reports isn't factual, and not him (but he has the proof anyway). If he says it's true, odds are 99.9% that it is.
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Bacholers of Arts degrees can vary in great lengths. Why would it specify in 20th century politics instead of my ancient history degree in which that it did?
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I am willing to expand my views. But expand them. Don't shun me.
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Cool you have an ancient history degree. What do you think of Empress Wuzetian?
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Corrik posted...

No?

Have you heard of Watergate before?
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Corrik posted...

Bacholers of Arts degrees can vary in great lengths. Why would it specify in 20th century politics instead of my ancient history degree in which that it did?

I dunno I just thought it was common knowledge and the fact that I knew you had a history degree just made me think you probably had a general interest in history. Just surprised me you wouldn't have heard of him before.

Name your top five active American politicians.
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Corrik posted...

Well, you have to understand a normal conservative does not care about all the nonsense.

Strong disagree if you mean to imply Woodward is part of "the nonsense."

Not knowing him would be more the fault of education (the system in general for not teaching it, not a personal attack on people) IMO. In no way was he or his work "nonsense." It was some of the most important journalism done in the history of the country.
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I would absolutely expect someone who passed high school American History to know who Woodward and Bernstein are, by last names at least.

But if youre talking average person on the street, sure, they probably dont know because our education system is shit. They probably also wouldnt know other names from that period like Lyndon Johnson or Spiro Agnew either.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

No?

Have you heard of Watergate before?

Yes
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Okay, gauging Corriks American history knowledge this is a fun game

Have you heard of the Bay of Pigs disaster before?
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Corrik posted...

Bacholers of Arts degrees can vary in great lengths. Why would it specify in 20th century politics instead of my ancient history degree in which that it did?

I dunno I just thought it was common knowledge and the fact that I knew you had a history degree just made me think you probably had a general interest in history. Just surprised me you wouldn't have heard of him before.

Name your top five active American politicians.

I don't have a top five. I didn't no a normal personal would even rank them.

Off head.

George Washington
William Garrison (Abe)
Andrew Johnson
TDR
FDR

That's very off he top of the head.
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Hamilton is such a big point in American History.
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...I said active.

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.................and one of your top five politicians ALL TIME is Andrew Johnson?
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I mean it was a more of a "which current politicians do you like" sort of question, I didn't really want you to rank them. Just give me five you like.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

...I said active.

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.................and one of your top five politicians ALL TIME is Andrew Johnson?

Reconstuction was a very big point in history of American life.
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Current???? That's different.
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Yeah, active. Like politicians that are actively still doing things and are either in office or could run for it.
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5? I mean, That's defintely hard. They have to be currently in office??
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Reconstruction had ramifications, yes, but I don't think many people would put Johnson in their "really good politician" list. He's routinely ranked worst or one of the worst Presidents by most historians.
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Five was just a random number. Just list some you really like.

And either in office or could reasonably be believed to make a run for office in the near future.
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In Corrik's defense, I don't think I knew who Woodard was before this past week either. I thought most credits for investigating Watergate went to some guy with the last name Frost.

Oops.
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Because most people was against him being beneficial to the south.... which we wouldn't be here because of.
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Frost vs Nixon was a film I watched I think. I will give you credit for that.
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https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/1037807915552464896?s=21

Some fun excerpts from Alex Jones harassing Jack Dorsey (and others)
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Corrik are you drunk?
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HaRRicH posted...

In Corrik's defense, I don't think I knew who Woodard was before this past week either. I thought most credits for investigating Watergate went to some guy with the last name Frost.

Oops.

Frost/Nixon strikes again!

You may have looked into it when you ran into that, but Frost was a British journalist who conducted some TV interviews with Nixon a few years after Nixon resigned. Nixon's team thought they could use the interviews to do some PR rehabilitation because they felt they could outwit Frost.

they did not

(Nixon made it worse for himself)

It's, among other things, the source of, "Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal."
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Corrik are you drunk?

I mean yes
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/1037807915552464896?s=21

Some fun excerpts from Alex Jones harassing Jack Dorsey (and others)

I've seen a lot of people complaining that Jones being kicked off of Twitter is an attack on right wing media outlets and free speech and etc etc etc.

And either these people literally have never watched Alex Jones before, or the right wing of American politics is much further gone than I ever anticipated. Like if you view Alex Jones as "right wing" and not "insane rambling conspiracy theorist" I don't know what that says about your party.
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Okay, let's be straight. If I say I don't know who woodard is it is because a normal conservative wouldn't .
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Calvin Coolidge
James Madison
Richard Nixon

Hmm....hard to choose after that.
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LMAO Andrew Johnson was an AWFUL politician. Not even just because he was super duper moderate on punishing the South, but just because he was so completely ineffective.

If youre a fan of Reconstruction the people who ACTUALLY implemented it were the Congressional Republicans of that era, Charles Sumner (the very same Sumner who was beaten within an inch of his life for speaking out against slavery prior to the civil war) along with Thaddeus Stevens are the people you should actually be impressed with alongside Generals Grant and Sheridan.

Their plan was the one you think of when you think of Reconstruction. Johnson opposed their plans and much of Reconstruction was passed over Johnson's veto.
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Corrik posted...

Okay, let's be straight. If I say I don't know who woodard is it is because a normal conservative wouldn't .

Do you know who Spiro Agnew is?
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And any federal grand jury could indict Kavanaugh if it chose. They are permitted to use their own knowledge to decide to investigate, then issue subpoenas to get evidence, and then vote to indict. In practice, that never happens, so Jeff Sessions would have to decide to prosecute.
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Eddv posted...

LMAO Andrew Johnson was an AWFUL politician. Not even just because he was super duper moderate on punishing the South, but just because he was so completely ineffective.

Wasnt Johnson selected for VP mostly as a concession by Lincoln and the Republicans to the South, or is that just what they tell us in school?
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Let him throw, bros.
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Worst politicians.....

Franklin Roosevelt
Hillary Clinton

This might have a recency bias.
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