Poll of the Day > SJW Man who PUNCHED White Supremacist Jason Kessler is Only FINED $1!!!

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kangolcone
09/06/18 11:40:47 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...

If your belief doesn't harm anybody, sure. But Nazi ideology is inherently harmful to a great many people.

No, acting on it is. We let people have bad views and express them so we can identify them and correct them, if you make their beliefs illegal to hold then you won't be able to argue with them until they actually harm somebody.


Show me once where I said it was illegal to be a Nazi and believe Nazi ideology.
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 11:41:09 AM
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knivesX2004 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
And punching anybody for their beliefs is messed up.

Not if they're a Nazi.

It's still messed up. And aren't you guys neant to be the lefties? Why am I arguing for peaceful resolution here?
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PuddingBoy
09/06/18 11:41:28 AM
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Potd defending nazis again, what a fucking shocker
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:42:02 AM
#55:


kangolcone posted...
Show me once where I said it was illegal to be a Nazi and believe Nazi ideology.

making it legal to punch them and have no punishement to the puncher, is the same as making it illegal to be a nazi
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:42:59 AM
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PuddingBoy posted...
Potd defending nazis again, what a fucking shocker

no, that's not what I am doing. your missing the point. this is more complicated than just nazis. this is about EVERYTHING. but if you can't understand that, then yea, your gonna just think I am defending nazis. you don't see the big picture and the reason I am arguing about this
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 11:43:28 AM
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kangolcone posted...
Show me once where I said it was illegal to be a Nazi and believe Nazi ideology.

I can show you where you wanted that to be true so you could called a vigilante rather than a political terrorist.
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knivesX2004
09/06/18 11:43:36 AM
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Zikten posted...
knivesX2004 posted...
Not if they're a Nazi.

but how does a random citizen with no detective skills prove someone you just spotted on the street, is a nazi? they have no legal authority to make that decision

That's easy.
If you see somebody in a Nazi uniform or performing the Nazi salute (and you are not on a stage or set) punch them.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
knivesX2004 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
And punching anybody for their beliefs is messed up.

Not if they're a Nazi.

It's still messed up. And aren't you guys neant to be the lefties? Why am I arguing for peaceful resolution here?

I already told you, I'm not a democrat.
You're arguing for peaceful resolution because you are a Nazi sympathizer.
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:44:16 AM
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knivesX2004 posted...
If you see somebody in a Nazi uniform or performing the Nazi salute (and you are not on a stage or set) punch them.

well ok but I have never heard of a case of that happening. everytime someonei s called a nazi and then punched, they were dressed in normal clothes
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kangolcone
09/06/18 11:45:09 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
knivesX2004 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
And punching anybody for their beliefs is messed up.

Not if they're a Nazi.

It's still messed up. And aren't you guys neant to be the lefties? Why am I arguing for peaceful resolution here?


There are no peaceful solutions with Nazis. If you honestly think you can reason factually with a person who believes being born white makes you smarter than being born black, please tell me how that conversation works.

The truth is for 20 years Conservatives have mocked liberals and called them PC, snowflake, etc whenever we asked for acceptance for other groups and ideologies. Now that it's Nazis, suddenly we should all sit down and sing songs until we get along? Nah. Punch Nazis.
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 11:46:00 AM
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knivesX2004 posted...
That's easy.
If you see somebody in a Nazi uniform or performing the Nazi salute (and you are not on a stage or set) punch them.

Hold on while I punch Prince Harry at a party.

knivesX2004 posted...
I already told you, I'm not a democrat.
You're arguing for peaceful resolution because you are a Nazi sympathizer.

Actually you told me no such thing, and expressed SJW far-left nonsense.
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Scloud posted...
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:46:41 AM
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kangolcone posted...
There are no peaceful solutions with Nazis and fascists. If you honestly think you can reason factually with a person who believes being born white makes you smarter than being born black, please tell me how that conversation works.

no it has happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njXZUH5hv0w" data-time="


man was a nazi. a black woman managed to turn him into a friend. and then he renounced his ways
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:47:58 AM
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from the comments on that video....


This is what people on all sides dont understand, you dont change peoples minds with hate and anger, to truely convert someone it takes love and understanding.
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kangolcone
09/06/18 11:48:19 AM
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Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
Show me once where I said it was illegal to be a Nazi and believe Nazi ideology.

making it legal to punch them and have no punishement to the puncher, is the same as making it illegal to be a nazi


I never said it should be legal. I said he should be rewarded. Hate to pull back the curtain, but I don't actually think the government should pay people to punch Nazis.

I am fine with private citizens willing to assume the personal risk who want to punch identified Nazis.
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kangolcone
09/06/18 11:50:15 AM
#66:


Zikten posted...
from the comments on that video....


This is what people on all sides dont understand, you dont change peoples minds with hate and anger, to truely convert someone it takes love and understanding.


Cool and I read a book called "The Autobiography of a Recovering Skinhead." Im not saying it's never happened in history. But thats what we call anecdotal evidence, which like slippery slope, is a logical fallacy.
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:50:41 AM
#67:


kangolcone posted...
who want to punch identified Nazis.


this is only even maybe the slighest inklings of ok if the government has officially declared that person to be a nazi, after some kind of identification process

someone seeing a person the street and then saying "omg a nazi!" does not count as being identified
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knivesX2004
09/06/18 11:52:28 AM
#68:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Actually you told me no such thing, and expressed SJW far-left nonsense.

Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension:

knivesX2004 posted...
InfernalFive posted...
Not exactly the precedent you want to set democrats...

It's exactly the precedent I want to set.
I'm not a Democrat.
Fuck Nazis.
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kangolcone
09/06/18 11:53:04 AM
#69:


Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
who want to punch identified Nazis.


this is only even maybe the slighest inklings of ok if the government has officially declared that person to be a nazi, after some kind of identification process

someone seeing a person the street and then saying "omg a nazi!" does not count as being identified


So the video where the white guy gives the Nazi salute right in front of a black guy, black guy punches him, we are ok in that setting?
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 11:53:24 AM
#70:


kangolcone posted...
There are no peaceful solutions with Nazis.

There's no peaceful solutions with Muslims, yet I see no cries for Muslim punching.

kangolcone posted...
If you honestly think you can reason factually with a person who believes being born white makes you smarter than being born black, please tell me how that conversation works.

Firstly, IQ stats make those suggestions, secondly, it shouldn't be hard to explain that you don't have to kill people for being who or what they are. Nazis can practice eugenics in their own community with selective breeding if they want, they don't have to harm others.

kangolcone posted...
The truth is for 20 years Conservatives have mocked liberals and called them PC, snowflake, etc whenever we asked for acceptance for other groups and ideologies. Now that it's Nazis, suddenly we should all sit down and sing songs until we get along? Nah. Punch Nazis.

Republicans only wanted to shun undesirables, you're promoting violent savagery, exactly the stuff conservatives want to keep out.
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Scloud posted...
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kangolcone
09/06/18 11:55:14 AM
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I'm still waiting for any of the big picture Nazi defenders to show me where they got upset about the family that got a dollar as a settlement after a police officer murdered somebody in their family.

Weird how there was no uproar for the executed black guy, but WHOA WHOA WHOA don't punch Nazis.
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:55:41 AM
#72:


kangolcone posted...
So the video where the white guy gives the Nazi salute right in front of a black guy, black guy punches him, we are ok in that setting?

for the sake of saying he's a nazi probably......I will surrender that point. but....I still say don't punch. I don't like that people can be punched for words. it's not illegal to say things in america. and before you spout that line about "freedom of speech not meaning freedom from consequences...." it's supposed to be illegal to attack people. it's not illegal to talk. it's illegal to punch. if an actual real nazi says a thing, and then someone gets mad and punches them, the criminal is the puncher not the nazi. nazis are pieces of shit but they are protected under free speech and american laws. I do not believe t that any exceptions should be made for free speech. either everyone has it, or nobody has it.
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 11:56:18 AM
#73:


kangolcone posted...
I'm still waiting for any of the big picture Nazi defenders to show me where they got upset about the family that got a dollar as a settlement after a police officer murdered somebody in their family.

Go get that topic, fairly sure I did post.
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Scloud posted...
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:56:26 AM
#74:


kangolcone posted...
I'm still waiting for any of the big picture Nazi defenders to show me where they got upset about the family that got a dollar as a settlement after a police officer murdered somebody in their family.

Weird how there was no uproar for the executed black guy, but WHOA WHOA WHOA don't punch Nazis.

because I dont even know what that is. never heard that story.
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Zikten
09/06/18 11:57:28 AM
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oh wait....did the guy get killed in a garage? I maybe heard of this. it was wrong if it's what I think it was. it's not very complicated

don't punch people for talking

don't murder a guy in his own garage even if you are a cop

that's it
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kangolcone
09/06/18 11:58:34 AM
#76:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
There are no peaceful solutions with Nazis.

There's no peaceful solutions with Muslims, yet I see no cries for Muslim punching.

kangolcone posted...
If you honestly think you can reason factually with a person who believes being born white makes you smarter than being born black, please tell me how that conversation works.

Firstly, IQ stats make those suggestions, secondly, it shouldn't be hard to explain that you don't have to kill people for being who or what they are. Nazis can practice eugenics in their own community with selective breeding if they want, they don't have to harm others.

kangolcone posted...
The truth is for 20 years Conservatives have mocked liberals and called them PC, snowflake, etc whenever we asked for acceptance for other groups and ideologies. Now that it's Nazis, suddenly we should all sit down and sing songs until we get along? Nah. Punch Nazis.

Republicans only wanted to shun undesirables, you're promoting violent savagery, exactly the stuff conservatives want to keep out.


You think many Republicans, including the guy currently in the Presidency, haven't advocated violence?

During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 12:01:20 PM
#77:


kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".
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kangolcone
09/06/18 12:02:35 PM
#78:


Also, the comparisons to Muslims is laughable.

Christianity has caused just as many deaths and often advocates violence in its cultural text.

Most Muslims aren't violent and don't believe in violent ideology. The basis of Nazi ideology is violent decimation of other populations.
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kangolcone
09/06/18 12:03:09 PM
#79:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".


Cool, which party primary did he win?
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Zikten
09/06/18 12:04:05 PM
#80:


kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".


Cool, which party primary did he win?

Yea but he was a democrat for like 70 years and only been a republican for like 4 years
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 12:04:25 PM
#81:


kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".


Cool, which party primary did he win?

Which party did Socialist Bernie Sanders run for? Wasn't the fucking Socialists.
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kangolcone
09/06/18 12:04:42 PM
#82:


Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".


Cool, which party primary did he win?

Yea but he was a democrat for like 70 years and only been a republican for like 4 years


Ok, so which party primary did he win?
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kangolcone
09/06/18 12:05:12 PM
#83:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".


Cool, which party primary did he win?

Which party did Socialist Bernie Sanders run for? Wasn't the fucking Socialists.


Oh did Bernie Sanders win his party nomination?
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 12:08:58 PM
#84:


kangolcone posted...
Oh did Bernie Sanders win his party nomination?

kangolcone posted...
Ok, so which party primary did he win?

Your political affiliation isn't voted by others.
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Zikten
09/06/18 12:09:22 PM
#85:


kangolcone posted...
Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".


Cool, which party primary did he win?

Yea but he was a democrat for like 70 years and only been a republican for like 4 years


Ok, so which party primary did he win?

So you think the current party defines his entire life. That's why you think I am a hardcore republican just cause I voted Trump for complicated reasons in my most recent vote. Even though I have voted every party but green across my life. Sometimes voting liberal and conservative for different things on the same ballot

But no. Only the most recent vote defines my entire lifetime
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Cacciato
09/06/18 12:09:49 PM
#86:


Zikten is fucking hilarious.
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Zikten
09/06/18 12:12:34 PM
#87:


Cacciato posted...
Zikten is fucking hilarious.

Thanks
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kangolcone
09/06/18 12:15:35 PM
#88:


Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
During his campaign he literally said protestors should be roughed up for exercising their right to free speech.

Trump isn't even really republican lol

The republican stance is pretty strongly "git ahff mah laaand", not "git dead on mah laaand".


Cool, which party primary did he win?

Yea but he was a democrat for like 70 years and only been a republican for like 4 years


Ok, so which party primary did he win?

So you think the current party defines his entire life. That's why you think I am a hardcore republican just cause I voted Trump for complicated reasons in my most recent vote. Even though I have voted every party but green across my life. Sometimes voting liberal and conservative for different things on the same ballot

But no. Only the most recent vote defines my entire lifetime


Show me:
1. Where I ever denied he used to be a Democrat? Do you think Party is fixed?
2. Where have I ever indicated I think you are a Conservative? I don't think I've said one word about what you believe.
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Zikten
09/06/18 12:18:06 PM
#89:


You keep saying "cool. What party did he win as?"

Implying you only care what he is right now even though he used to say racist stuff even when he was a democrat, proving Democrats can be racist too
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kangolcone
09/06/18 12:48:30 PM
#90:


Zikten posted...
You keep saying "cool. What party did he win as?"

Implying you only care what he is right now even though he used to say racist stuff even when he was a democrat, proving Democrats can be racist too


I also never said Democrats can't be racist. You see a Nazi who is a Democrat, punch away.

I keep asking what primary he won because when he was a Republican he espoused violence instead of peaceful chatting. Somebody said Republicans don't call for violence they only want to talk. Which, if a Republican candidate promoted violence, THEN goes on to win the nomination, I find it pretty hollow to say that Republicans haven't espoused violence.
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Zeus
09/06/18 12:56:53 PM
#91:


Yellow posted...
InfernalFive posted...
Not exactly the precedent you want to set democrats...

Did we associate with world dominating racist fascists? Shit.


Using violence to suppress speech is literal fascism (although, given that in this case it's private citizens using violence to suppress speech, terrorism -- although since the government has tacitly backed that violence by giving $1 fines and having major party politicians support it, fascism still works as well. Violence to suppress speech is certainly the fascistic ideal and how the *actual* Nazis operated.)

kangolcone posted...
Because not one person in this topic has demonstrated a casual effect from punching Nazis into punching everybody.


The fact that you can't see how the use of physical violence against one group to suppress speech will inevitably be applied to other groups demonstrates a pretty absurd shortsightedness, if not flat-out ignorance. And that's overlooking the repeated misuse of the word Nazi.

kangolcone posted...
And somebody did die. Her name was Heather Heyer and she was exercising her Constitutional rights to free speech when she was murdered by a Nazi.


Oh? Was she a time-traveler? Because the Nazi Party died out in the 40s and the surviving Nazis today are all in hiding. Otherwise, events like her death are *exactly* the kind of slippery slope you were denying was happening. She participated in a violent counter-protest designed to shut down a group's lawful free speech -- they had even gotten permits, which the counter-protestors had not -- and, as is so often the case, the use of violence was escalated. When you encourage and embolden people to use violence against a group, extremists in either the abusing or victimized group escalate that violence. That's how cycles of violence work.

kangolcone posted...
Zikten posted...
nazis have no power in 2018 america.


They had the power to kill Heather Heyer and then be called fine people by the sitting President. Sounds like they have approval of those in power.


So much stupid in one post that it's hard to know where to begin. Overlooking that Nazis are gone, you're trying to attribute the actions of a lone individual to an entire group -- unlike SJWs' support of terrorists, the deliberate driving of a car into people was a one-time event -- and overlooking that the "fine people" remark applied to *some* (not all) people on both sides. Given that a very large segment of counter-protestors came there with the intention of using violence to suppress speech -- "Gunna punch me some Notzis! Yahoo!" -- you'd actually have a stronger case against using it to describe the counter-protestors because violence is *always* worse than speech and the use of violence and intimidation by private citizens to suppress speech is terrorism.
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kangolcone
09/06/18 1:10:35 PM
#92:


1. The person making a claim is the one who is required to prove it. Those making the slippery slope claim have provided virtually no evidence that private citizens punching Nazis will lead to other things. If you have the power to see the future, than sure I grant that you are right because you've seen it happening. If you can't see the future, then you are making hypothetical conjecture with no more proof that it will happen than it won't.

2. Prior to the death of Heather Heyer, there was one reported incident which resulted in a misdemeanor assault charge. Classifying it as a violent counter protest is factually inaccurate and disingenuous.

3. Again, prove your claim that a very large segment came to use violence to suppress speech considering there was a singular arrest on a misdeanor assault charge.
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Zikten
09/06/18 1:27:50 PM
#93:


kangolcone posted...
The person making a claim is the one who is required to prove it. T


Then the person accusing someone of being a Nazi is required to prove it

If you want to punch a Nazi you should have to back it up first. Do research and prove in court they are a Nazi. Then you may punch them
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kangolcone
09/06/18 1:31:36 PM
#94:


Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
The person making a claim is the one who is required to prove it. T


Then the person accusing someone of being a Nazi is required to prove it

If you want to punch a Nazi you should have to back it up first. Do research and prove in court they are a Nazi. Then you may punch them


Nah, if you say Nazi stuff and give the Nazi salute, you are a Nazi.
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kangolcone
09/06/18 1:32:44 PM
#95:


I will repeat because I guess some people found the concept hard to understand.

Go be a Nazi with all your other Nazi buddies. If you are a Nazi in public, you might get punched and that's completely fine by me.
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Zikten
09/06/18 1:34:17 PM
#96:


kangolcone posted...
Zikten posted...
kangolcone posted...
The person making a claim is the one who is required to prove it. T


Then the person accusing someone of being a Nazi is required to prove it

If you want to punch a Nazi you should have to back it up first. Do research and prove in court they are a Nazi. Then you may punch them


Nah, if you say Nazi stuff and give the Nazi salute, you are a Nazi.

That's not always the standard held by antifa though. Most of the people they accuse of being a Nazi don't say Nazi stuff and don't do the Nazi salute. They are just normal people that disagree with antifa so they get called a nazi
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Zikten
09/06/18 1:36:27 PM
#97:


Also another reason not to do it is you have no idea who owns a gun, or a knife or knows how to fight. It's actually pretty stupid to engage a suspected Nazi in a physical fight. If they really are an actual literal Nazi they probably have no qualms about killing you

If I actually thought someone was a nazi I would keep my distance and not talk to them
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kangolcone
09/06/18 1:37:15 PM
#98:


So you assume that I'm antifa because I'm pro-punching Nazis?

Weren't you trying to get all mad at me like 10 posts ago because you thought I assumed you were a Republican?
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kangolcone
09/06/18 1:39:50 PM
#99:


Zikten posted...
Also another reason not to do it is you have no idea who owns a gun, or a knife or knows how to fight. It's actually pretty stupid to engage a suspected Nazi in a physical fight. If they really are an actual literal Nazi they probably have no qualms about killing you

If I actually thought someone was a nazi I would keep my distance and not talk to them


I'm not actively punching Nazis. Im simply saying that I'm ok with people punching Nazis.
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Zikten
09/06/18 1:47:32 PM
#100:


Not all my posts are specifically about your life. I'm talking in general about the standard attitude of punching suspected nazis
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Andromicus
09/06/18 1:48:49 PM
#101:


kangolcone posted...
Zikten posted...
Also another reason not to do it is you have no idea who owns a gun, or a knife or knows how to fight. It's actually pretty stupid to engage a suspected Nazi in a physical fight. If they really are an actual literal Nazi they probably have no qualms about killing you

If I actually thought someone was a nazi I would keep my distance and not talk to them


I'm not actively punching Nazis. Im simply saying that I'm ok with people punching Nazis.

But what happens when someone punched a not quite Nazi, WHAT THEN YOU WANT THAT ON YOUR CONSCIENCE
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