Current Events > Literally why cant any Spidey dev just copy/paste the web swinging from a 14yo

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NeonOctopus
09/10/18 12:40:10 PM
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eston
09/10/18 12:42:25 PM
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dontIoseyourway
09/10/18 12:42:36 PM
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eston posted...
Because that isn't how game development works

he said why
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charey
09/10/18 12:46:32 PM
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dontIoseyourway posted...
eston posted...
Because that isn't how game development works

he said why

Because the physics engine and game engines have changed and the old engines are not compatible with modern systems so they have to remake the swing mechnics to make them work in the new engine.

That and trying to improve the swinging if possible.
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X-Pac_Heat
09/10/18 12:47:42 PM
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Cause copying the swinging from the other games from the past 12 years is easier, just like the combat and random crimes
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NeonOctopus
09/10/18 12:47:54 PM
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Well they can improve the swinging by copy pasting SM2's web swinging instead of making their own inferior version.
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eston
09/10/18 12:49:02 PM
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dontIoseyourway posted...
eston posted...
Because that isn't how game development works

he said why

eston posted...
Because that isn't how game development works

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DK9292
09/10/18 12:50:36 PM
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charey posted...
dontIoseyourway posted...
eston posted...
Because that isn't how game development works

he said why

Because the physics engine and game engines have changed and the old engines are not compatible with modern systems so they have to remake the swing mechnics to make them work in the new engine.

That and trying to improve the swinging if possible.

Plus, unless I'm mistaken, companies don't share their source code between each other even when making games for the same license, so they have to just guess how it works.
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X-Pac_Heat
09/10/18 12:53:23 PM
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DK9292 posted...
charey posted...
dontIoseyourway posted...
eston posted...
Because that isn't how game development works

he said why

Because the physics engine and game engines have changed and the old engines are not compatible with modern systems so they have to remake the swing mechnics to make them work in the new engine.

That and trying to improve the swinging if possible.

Plus, unless I'm mistaken, companies don't share their source code between each other even when making games for the same license, so they have to just guess how it works.


Treyarc abandoned it immediately after Spiderman 2. Even the creator never used it again.

I'm convinced it was a fluke and can't be replicated. Iirc they had to do some goofy shit to get it to work.
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NeonOctopus
09/11/18 3:45:58 PM
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Doom_Art
09/11/18 3:48:09 PM
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I really like the web slinging >_>

I've only fast-traveled maybe once
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X-Pac_Heat
09/12/18 7:29:07 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
I really like the web slinging >_>

I've only fast-traveled maybe once


Did you ever play Spider-Man 2?

Cause like, it's not that the web swinging in the new one is bad, but like...it could just be so much better if they gave you more control/tricks to do.
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Foppe
09/12/18 7:33:51 AM
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Because it would be illegal to copypasta Treyarch's data?
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NeonOctopus
09/12/18 7:34:34 AM
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Foppe posted...
Because it would be illegal to copypasta Treyarch's data?

Fuck it.
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toyota
09/12/18 7:39:21 AM
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so im taking it that this new spiderman game is fast becoming a flop?
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Blue_Inigo
09/12/18 7:41:40 AM
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toyota posted...
so im taking it that this new spiderman game is fast becoming a flop?

Lolno

Also the swinging is great in this game
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Virtrudian
09/12/18 7:49:25 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
toyota posted...
so im taking it that this new spiderman game is fast becoming a flop?

Lolno

Also the swinging is great in this game

This. I'm not sure what TC is talking about. It's so satisfying
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CyricZ
09/12/18 7:51:33 AM
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I have yet to play myself, but I've got it on good authority (multiple sources) that the PS4 swinging is actually better than 2, but it might be a matter of opinion at some point.
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Kitt
09/12/18 7:53:51 AM
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What? The web-swinging and travelling in general in the new game shits all over SM2. Spider-Man 2 being overrated as fuck is pretty much a meme at this point.
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Vyrulisse
09/12/18 7:55:52 AM
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Web of Shadows on the Wii still has the absolute best web slinging I've played in a Spider-Man game. The Wii-Mote was made for Spidey and it worked perfectly.
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X-Pac_Heat
09/12/18 7:57:41 AM
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CyricZ posted...
I have yet to play myself, but I've got it on good authority (multiple sources) that the PS4 swinging is actually better than 2, but it might be a matter of opinion at some point.


Are those multiple sources PS4 fanboys?
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Youngster_Joey_
09/12/18 7:58:52 AM
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lol if anyone says Spider-Man PS4 web swinging is better than Spider-Man 2, they were probably really bad at swinging in Spider-Man 2 or only played it on easy swing mode.
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CyricZ
09/12/18 8:00:40 AM
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X-Pac_Heat posted...
CyricZ posted...
I have yet to play myself, but I've got it on good authority (multiple sources) that the PS4 swinging is actually better than 2, but it might be a matter of opinion at some point.


Are those multiple sources PS4 fanboys?

The Super Best Friends, who I think are kinda beyond that? I dunno, take it with whatever grain of salt you like.
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WilliamPorygon
09/12/18 8:03:57 AM
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Why not just copy/paste the web swinging from the Atari 2600 Spider-Man?
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Srk700
09/12/18 8:06:04 AM
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That never said if it was better than 2, but both Dunkey and Critikal seemed to love the web slinging in the PS4 game.
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Kitt
09/12/18 10:33:37 AM
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...
lol if anyone says Spider-Man PS4 web swinging is better than Spider-Man 2, they were probably really bad at swinging in Spider-Man 2 or only played it on easy swing mode.

Swing, dash + jump then swing again at the right time, repeat with the occasional zipping and wall running in between.

Meanwhile in the new game, you're swinging with momentum, you got web zips that can move you forward and help prolong you staying in the air, a wall run that not only doesn't deplets over time but also doesn't fuck your camera up when you round a corner, another web-zip move that you can use to shoot to highlighted points and launch forward; increasing your speed, a dive bomb that can also boost your speed or height depending on when you swing out of it and how high the dive was from.
Most satisfying feeling in the world when you're chaining all of these together across the city.

It's not even close lmao
The game gives you way more control and more tools to compliment the swinging.
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l Dudeboy l
09/12/18 10:37:30 AM
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I played the fuck out of Spiderman 2 and I have to say the webswinging in the PS4 game is definitely better.
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Reis
09/12/18 10:45:00 AM
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Kitt posted...
What? The web-swinging and travelling in general in the new game shits all over SM2. Spider-Man 2 being overrated as fuck is pretty much a meme at this point.

it really is, both the movie and the game get slurped so hard it's crazy
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Kitt
09/12/18 2:24:26 PM
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I'm not sure why you guys have a problem with 2's. The new web zip mechanic is great but that's the only thing it has over sm2 imo

I don't have a problem with the game itself. Just the cultists who think it's the greatest thing ever that can never be touched.
Spider-Man 2 dick riders use to try to argue that it was better than the Arkham games at one point. Srsly

And it have more than that over 2.
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Space_Man
09/12/18 2:28:57 PM
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cus it's not fallout or elder scrolls where you can just update the textures..
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Banjo2553
09/12/18 2:40:30 PM
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I mean the PS4 game is fun as fuck. I just love swinging around and I don't think I'd ever use the fast travel. Helps that the combat is really good and not brainless like the Arkham games tended to get.
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Darmik
09/12/18 7:07:27 PM
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They did.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/378070/Energy_Hook/

Nobody cared

Hairistotle posted...
I'm not sure why you guys have a problem with 2's. The new web zip mechanic is great but that's the only thing it has over sm2 imo


Also the parkour and being able to slow down and aim where you specifically want to go to.

I can't remember if SM2 had that mechanic where you could launch to a ledge and bounce off it. I know it had charged jumps but that's not as zippy.

While the SM2 had more technical stuff to it MSM is way more seamless and easy to do what you want to do.
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NeonOctopus
09/12/18 7:10:06 PM
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Can you do an orbit around an anchor point like in 2? Or shoot 2 webs and do a slingshot?

Man, doing all that was so much fun >_>
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NeonOctopus
09/12/18 7:15:27 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Can you do an orbit around an anchor point like in 2? Or shoot 2 webs and do a slingshot?

Man, doing all that was so much fun >_>

You cannot. The game forces spider-man to jump at the end of his swing.

Really? Damnit...
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Darmik
09/12/18 7:16:59 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Can you do an orbit around an anchor point like in 2? Or shoot 2 webs and do a slingshot?

Man, doing all that was so much fun >_>

You cannot. The game forces spider-man to jump at the end of his swing.


You can stay clinging to the web if you don't swing too far though.
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X-Pac_Heat
09/12/18 8:59:58 PM
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Kitt posted...
Swing, dash + jump then swing again at the right time, repeat with the occasional zipping and wall running in between.


If this is what you think all Spider-Man 2 was, then he's right and you were just bad.
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X-Pac_Heat
09/12/18 9:07:04 PM
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Kitt posted...
Swing, dash + jump then swing again at the right time, repeat with the occasional zipping and wall running in between.


If that's all you think Spider-Man 2 was, it sounds like you were playing on easy swing mode lol

Also, I wouldn't say Spider-Man 2 is "better", but I miss the control it gave you and some of the tricks you could do in it. I liked being able to grab and do gymnastic swings on flag/light poles, I liked having control of each hand, I liked the web sling shot (the one in the new one seems completely random and is weak as hell), I liked unlimited web pulls, I liked being able to do loop de loops while holding onto the web, I liked being able ot tie enemies to poles.

The new one certainly is animated better and is easy to pick up though.
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fan357
09/12/18 9:11:42 PM
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Web swinging in the new one is great. Pretty sure it gives you the most fluid movement ever. Especially since you can web zip and launch off of rooftops without allowing any momentum.
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Kelystic
09/12/18 9:13:35 PM
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can you die from falling from heights in this game?
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Darmik
09/12/18 9:14:22 PM
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Kelystic posted...
can you die from falling from heights in this game?


No
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NeonOctopus
09/12/18 9:19:24 PM
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Aw, I loved going on top of the Empire State Building in Spider Man 2 and then just diving off and killing myself lol

or better yet, grab a bad guy, so super high, and then do a spinning piledriver all the way to the ground and murderize him >_>
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Guerrilla Soldier
09/13/18 1:12:18 AM
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when was the last time you actually played spiderman 2 to compare
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