Current Events > When did you realize that rape culture doesn't exist in the USA?

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When I first heard the term, I thought it was ridiculous and untrue because rape is not celebrated here... it's against the law and rapists go to jail. Maybe in undeveloped countries, but not the United States of America. I thought it was a made-up feminist lie when I first heard about it.

After I read the article "A Rape on Campus" in Rolling Stone, in which a young girl was led to a frat party and then brutally raped by a bunch of evil frat bros, my initial reaction was "Okay, maybe rape culture IS real!" I remember thinking that the frat brothers in the story were vicious and inhuman... and that maybe college fraternity life was a lot darker than I thought.

However, it eventually came out that the author fabricated the entire story... she never actually confirmed the events with anyone other than the "victim", and apparently the "victim" just made the whole thing up for attention (she's married now, btw).

After that, I realized that I was just fed lies from the beginning and "rape culture" doesn't actually exist in the western world. It made me lose all respect I had for the feminist movement. The fraternity that was falsely accused had rocks thrown into their windows, graffiti spelling out "RAPISTS LIVE HERE" on their building, and the individual students were bullied and received death threats. All for nothing. I remember reading one article where a journalist interviewed the rock-throwing students and they said that they weren't sorry and that the ends justified the means. This is what happens when you lie to people and get them to enact violence...

Anyway, there are plenty of other examples I could post on why the feminist movement has completely fallen flat and no longer is about equal rights, but the retracted Rolling Stone piece is proof that "rape culture" is just a fantasy made up by feminists to vilify men. Nothing like that actually exists in America.

Here's a link if you haven't heard of the Rolling Stone fabricated piece: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0407-goldberg-rolling-stone-campus-rape-story-20150407-column.html
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Rape Culture in the US is regret after drunk sex.
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I mean, should I even bother?

I've got a lovely video game right over here to my right.

I can enjoy that instead.

EDIT: Actually, y'know what? Fuck it. This topic sucks and is now about Yakuza.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Go tell that to all the women who have been laughed at and slut shamed by police, college administrators, and clergy.

Go tell that to men in prison, while the outside world encourages and jokes about them.

Go tell that to the Catholic Church as they try to hide the evidence and blame Satan for exposing them.

Go tell that the innocent men framed for rape

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Zikten posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Go tell that to all the women who have been laughed at and slut shamed by police, college administrators, and clergy.

Go tell that to men in prison, while the outside world encourages and jokes about them.

Go tell that to the Catholic Church as they try to hide the evidence and blame Satan for exposing them.

Go tell that the innocent men framed for rape

The fuck is wrong with you?

There is something wrong about worrying about innocent people in prison?

about the time they started trying to expand the definition of rape to include any sex that at any time during or after you feel you didn't want it, regardless of what you communicate, it becomes rape.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Zikten posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Go tell that to all the women who have been laughed at and slut shamed by police, college administrators, and clergy.

Go tell that to men in prison, while the outside world encourages and jokes about them.

Go tell that to the Catholic Church as they try to hide the evidence and blame Satan for exposing them.

Go tell that the innocent men framed for rape

The fuck is wrong with you?

probably something similar to the thing that is wrong with you bro
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It does exist. Hollywood actors are speaking in favor of it.
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You know what don't bother. I am sick of your shit. Your going on the ignore list. You are a very weird person who always treats me like I'm insane for having normal opinions. Piss off and while your at it look up a group called The Innnocence Project

I think calling it rape culture was a mistake because that makes it seem like raping is the hip thing to do, which clearly isn't the case. What the term is really talking about is the tenancy to blame, downplay, or even flat out not believe women when they've been sexually assaulted or raped. It's speaking out against the people that blame women's apparel. It's speaking out against men who try to get women intoxicated just so she'll be more complacent with their sexual advances. Is rape celebrated and encouraged in the U.S? No, however, too often do men think certain things are ok due to a culture that turns the other way when faced with a difficult problem to combat.
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rape culture isn't a thing here.

rapists get sent to jail. that wouldn't happen in a real rape culture.
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im glad i dont live in the world some of CE do where rape victims are all lying whores trying to ruin innocent mens lives

in the world i live in that tragically happens but its not the case 99% percent of the time like in this alternate universe some CEmen live in
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shockthemonkey posted...

Go tell that to all the women who have been laughed at and slut shamed by police, college administrators, and clergy.

Go tell that to men in prison, while the outside world encourages and jokes about them.

Go tell that to the Catholic Church as they try to hide the evidence and blame Satan for exposing them.

1. Having sex with multiple partners and later regretting it is not rape.

2. That's a fair point... not a lot is done to prevent prison rape.

3. Religion is a bad thing, I agree, but at least the current administration is working to root out all the pedophiles in the Catholic Church. But yes, that is a very good and fair point... religions really do try to protect rape culture. Look no further than the pope or the Rotherham scandal.
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I mean, should I even bother?

I've got a lovely video game right over here to my right.

I can enjoy that instead.

EDIT: Actually, y'know what? Fuck it. This topic sucks and is now about Yakuza.

I've actually never played any of those games. I couldn't figure out how serious they were from the trailers. On one end they're channeling the Japanese gangster movies of the eighties and nineties, and those were super serious and violent, and not usually my cup of tea, but then they're also supposedly really funny, and maybe even absurd. That makes me think Suda51, but that might not quite right. And then there's the game play. At a glance, Sleeping Dogs comes to mind, but then it claims to be an RPG, something I've not really associated with the franchise.

It's on my steam watchlist. If the right sale comes along, I might just buy it on impulse.
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Topic should have ended here tbh
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shockthemonkey posted...

Wil_Knights posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Go tell that to all the women who have been laughed at and slut shamed by police, college administrators, and clergy.

Go tell that to men in prison, while the outside world encourages and jokes about them.

Go tell that to the Catholic Church as they try to hide the evidence and blame Satan for exposing them.

1. Having sex with multiple partners and later regretting it is not rape.

2. That's a fair point... not a lot is done to prevent prison rape.

3. Religion is a bad thing, I agree, but at least the current administration is working to root out all the pedophiles in the Catholic Church. But yes, that is a very good and fair point... religions really do try to protect rape culture. Look no further than the pope or the Rotherham scandal.

Yeah but getting raped and then getting laughed at for it is rape, dont fucking deflect to other scenarios just because police act shitty towards rape victims.

The girl from the Rolling Stone made this point too though. She went to the police, couldn't give them any useful information or facts (because the rape didn't happen), and then the police couldn't help her. She blamed the police and said they were part of the problem... I highly, highly doubt that your ordinary police officer would laugh and say "yeah, right" if a rape is reported. They have rape kits that they can use to confirm something happened. It seems to me that police are only skeptical in "he said, she said" cases where the man claims consent was given, but the girl retroactively withdraws consent. Feminists are NOT helping this because they are telling women that rape is "whenever you FEEL that it's rape"... which is NOT the definition. Consent has to be withdrawn during the act, not right after or a few weeks after. It's not rape them, just a falsified report.
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Topic should have ended here tbh

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Topic should have ended here tbh

Funny, if this were an actual debate, you'd be docked points and I'd get points because you're essentially supporting my argument by attacking me personally instead of any of my stances. It shows that you don't actually have anything logical to say.
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Rape is illegal, that's really the end of discussion. And you'd probably get fired from most jobs these days for even making a tongue in cheek joke about it.

I'm not saying there aren't instances of some very sad stories out there but there are shitty people and the world isn't always a nice place. And it never will be, but rape is most definitely viewed as one of the worst things you can do by a vast majority of people. So the concept of a accepted rape culture is pretty rediculous.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

Rape is illegal, that's really the end of discussion. And you'd probably get fired from most jobs these days for even making a tongue in cheek joke about it.

Awful point. Drugs are illegal too, would you go so far as to say we don't have a drug culture?
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yusiko posted...

im glad i dont live in the world some of CE do where rape victims are all lying whores trying to ruin innocent mens lives

in the world i live in that tragically happens but its not the case 99% percent of the time like in this alternate universe some CEmen live in

No one's saying "rape claims are never true". Just that the standard for believing them has gotten so ridiculously low that anyone (or at least, any women, because they're strangely silent when the topic turns to male victims) can just accuse "rape" with no plausibility whatsoever and be believed.

False claims are a minority, by far. They always have been, they still are. But they do exist, and they're far more tolerated than they should be. That's the problem.
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justaguy3492 posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

Rape is illegal, that's really the end of discussion. And you'd probably get fired from most jobs these days for even making a tongue in cheek joke about it.

Awful point. Drugs are illegal too, would you go so far as to say we don't have a drug culture?

Social attitudes are VERY different. Rape is illegal and not tolerated. Drugs are illegal, but in many circles, considered perfectly acceptable.
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I never gave the idea of "rape culture" in the US any serious consideration.
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justaguy3492 posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

Rape is illegal, that's really the end of discussion. And you'd probably get fired from most jobs these days for even making a tongue in cheek joke about it.

Awful point. Drugs are illegal too, would you go so far as to say we don't have a drug culture?

Most people I meet who are cool with drugs are pretty open about it. I've never meet anyone who was openly okay with rape. Why do you think that is?
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Solid Snake07 posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

Rape is illegal, that's really the end of discussion. And you'd probably get fired from most jobs these days for even making a tongue in cheek joke about it.

Awful point. Drugs are illegal too, would you go so far as to say we don't have a drug culture?

Most people I meet who are cool with drugs are pretty open about it. I've never meet anyone who was openly okay with rape. Why do you think that is?

That's a good way to put it. That's generally how I feel about it. The Rolling Stone article made it seem like there are sinister "rape clubs" all over America, or that it's something that all men are in on and actively try to keep a secret but I don't think that's the case at all... well, except when it comes to the Catholic Church. Even then, little boys are usually the targets there and as such I don't see outcries from feminists about them. Kinda weird how the user that brought up the best points in this topic made a case for rape culture existing against men but not women (prison, church).
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MakoReizei posted...

rape culture isn't a thing here.

rapists get sent to jail. that wouldn't happen in a real rape culture.

Oh, so Brock Turner is finally in jail. Problem solved, guys! Rape culture is nonexistent.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

Rape is illegal, that's really the end of discussion. And you'd probably get fired from most jobs these days for even making a tongue in cheek joke about it.

Awful point. Drugs are illegal too, would you go so far as to say we don't have a drug culture?

Most people I meet who are cool with drugs are pretty open about it. I've never meet anyone who was openly okay with rape. Why do you think that is?

Have you ever met anyone who wants to get chicks drunk so they can fuck them? Not the ones who have plans to get drunk and fuck, but the ones who know that a chick wont fuck em so theyre gonna get em drunk as shit till they can? That shit was so prevelant growing up.

Uh, no. Heard plenty of drunken hook up stories. But I've never once heard someone brag about how they intentionally got a girl drunk to have their way with her. People who do shit like that usually aren't very open about it cause it's disgusting and not accepted.
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Topic should have ended here tbh

Youre the dude who claimed my roommate wasnt raped because she had been drinking.

First of all I have no idea what youre talking about.

Second of all youre the one losing your mind while you let an obvious shit posting account troll you. Keep fighting the good fight bro! You do you!
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shockthemonkey posted...

Wil_Knights posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Wil_Knights posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Go tell that to all the women who have been laughed at and slut shamed by police, college administrators, and clergy.

Go tell that to men in prison, while the outside world encourages and jokes about them.

Go tell that to the Catholic Church as they try to hide the evidence and blame Satan for exposing them.

1. Having sex with multiple partners and later regretting it is not rape.

2. That's a fair point... not a lot is done to prevent prison rape.

3. Religion is a bad thing, I agree, but at least the current administration is working to root out all the pedophiles in the Catholic Church. But yes, that is a very good and fair point... religions really do try to protect rape culture. Look no further than the pope or the Rotherham scandal.

Yeah but getting raped and then getting laughed at for it is rape, dont fucking deflect to other scenarios just because police act shitty towards rape victims.

The girl from the Rolling Stone made this point too though. She went to the police, couldn't give them any useful information or facts (because the rape didn't happen), and then the police couldn't help her. She blamed the police and said they were part of the problem... I highly, highly doubt that your ordinary police officer would laugh and say "yeah, right" if a rape is reported. They have rape kits that they can use to confirm something happened. It seems to me that police are only skeptical in "he said, she said" cases where the man claims consent was given, but the girl retroactively withdraws consent. Feminists are NOT helping this because they are telling women that rape is "whenever you FEEL that it's rape"... which is NOT the definition. Consent has to be withdrawn during the act, not right after or a few weeks after. It's not rape them, just a falsified report.

And youre completely fucking wrong if you dont think that women are silenced from reporting rape or mocked when they do. The fact that a woman reporting rape is met with all sorts of bullshit about what she was wearing or whether she smoked weed is indicative of how we feel about rape in this country. Occasionally people find it terrible but only when the victim was perfect. Fuck that bullshit. You made a shitty topic and completely agreed with 2/3 of my examples of rape culture but youre so hung up on one shitheads story that youre ignoring facts.

Ask the women in your life what they think.

Asking a woman what was she wearing isn't slut shaming.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

Rape is illegal, that's really the end of discussion. And you'd probably get fired from most jobs these days for even making a tongue in cheek joke about it.

Awful point. Drugs are illegal too, would you go so far as to say we don't have a drug culture?

Most people I meet who are cool with drugs are pretty open about it. I've never meet anyone who was openly okay with rape. Why do you think that is?

Have you ever met anyone who wants to get chicks drunk so they can fuck them? Not the ones who have plans to get drunk and fuck, but the ones who know that a chick wont fuck em so theyre gonna get em drunk as shit till they can? That shit was so prevelant growing up.

Uh, no. Heard plenty of drunken hook up stories. But I've never once heard someone brag about how they intentionally got a girl drunk to have their way with her. People who do shit like that usually aren't very open about it cause it's disgusting and not accepted.

Id love to live on the same planet as you do.

Okay? You don't have to go to a different planet, just stop hanging around dirt bags. I'm not trying to tell you assholes and abusers don't exist. I'm telling you that type of shit doesnt fly with most people.

Like I said, the vast majority of people frown upon shit like that. If you seriously think that's normal then it's much more telling to the type of people you surround yourself with, not broad society as a whole.
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Wil_Knights posted...

The fraternity that was falsely accused had rocks thrown into their windows, graffiti spelling out "RAPISTS LIVE HERE" on their building, and the individual students were bullied and received death threats. All for nothing. I remember reading one article where a journalist interviewed the rock-throwing students and they said that they weren't sorry and that the ends justified the means. This is what happens when you lie to people and get them to enact violence...

Doesnt this kind of reaction prove that a rape culture doesnt exist? Wouldnt people be brushing this off as another boys will boys things like we are always told they are? Instead of attacking them and threatening them off of just an accusation?

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Topic should have ended here tbh

Youre the dude who claimed my roommate wasnt raped because she had been drinking.

First of all I have no idea what youre talking about.

Second of all youre the one losing your mind while you let an obvious shit posting account troll you. Keep fighting the good fight bro! You do you!

On this very board, I made a topic about my roommate getting raped. You said that she didnt because she had been drinking. I dont know whats so hard to understand about that. Youre part of the problem.

Never said I didnt understand. Just said I didnt know what you were talking about. Nice smugness though.

Also I like how Im part of the problem when youve been posting in an obvious bait topic the last hour. With all that intellect of yours surely you can realize that without reactions like yours these topics wouldnt be made.
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