Current Events > Switch Online video has 26k dislikes

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Well, that money could buy a lot of sweatsuits with wolves on them.
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Good and lol at it only having 7k likes.
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Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

You're completely delusional if you think that's even remotely feasible especially with so many available online games on the Switch and Smash right around the corner.
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Doesn't the switch not have an ethernet port? How the **** do you manage that on an online-capable console in 2018? It's like they don't care how bad the online experience is for their players.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

As much as I would want this to be true, it's not happening.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

Not going to happen, Nintendo outlined that online pay was going to happen from the beginning.

The time to boycott would've been when the switch came out and people refrained from buying it immediately, outlining the plan for a 0aid service was the problem.

Even then I doubt that would've changed Nintendos mind though.
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Learning posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

You're completely delusional if you think that's even remotely feasible especially with so many available online games on the Switch and Smash right around the corner.

Oh no, not my online Switch games like Smash Bros...and...?

Stewman_Magoo posted...

Not going to happen, Nintendo outlined that online pay was going to happen from the beginning.

The time to boycott would've been when the switch came out and people refrained from buying it immediately, outlining the plan for a 0aid service was the problem.

Even then I doubt that would've changed Nintendos mind though.

Ehh that was too early. People were hopeful of the paid service meaning serious network update and anti cheat. Instead, it's decades old roms you can download for free, and Splatoon 2 is seeing cheating blow up right before this paid service. Nintendo dropped the ball.
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Too bad japan loves it and that's all nintendo really cares about, the west is pennies compared to their hometurf, they like let's go as well.
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tremain07 posted...

Too bad japan loves it and that's all nintendo really cares about, the west is pennies compared to their hometurf, they like let's go as well.

Do japanese busses all have wifi or something?
Seems weird to push online in Japan, on a system with no cellular radio.

People are not happy that we are being forced to pay for a service that should be free.
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Wil_Knights posted...

Doesn't the switch not have an ethernet port? How the **** do you manage that on an online-capable console in 2018? It's like they don't care how bad the online experience is for their players.

Not sure what ethernet has to do with anything but yes, the docking station has an ethernet port.
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Wil_Knights posted...

Doesn't the switch not have an ethernet port? How the **** do you manage that on an online-capable console in 2018? It's like they don't care how bad the online experience is for their players.

Yeah, it's dumb they didn't build it into the dock. USB adapters do work, though.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Not sure what ethernet has to do with anything but yes, the docking station has an ethernet port.

No it doesn't.

Trelve posted...

Learning posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

You're completely delusional if you think that's even remotely feasible especially with so many available online games on the Switch and Smash right around the corner.

Oh no, not my online Switch games like Smash Bros...and...?

Not going to take the bait and reply with a myriad of other games that will utilize online because Smash is literally the only one that I (and I imagine most other people) need to justify paying all of $20 a year.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Not sure what ethernet has to do with anything but yes, the docking station has an ethernet port.

No it doesn't.

I stand corrected, it has USB which can be adapter'd into.
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Learning posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

You're completely delusional if you think that's even remotely feasible especially with so many available online games on the Switch and Smash right around the corner.

That's my point though. If we refuse to pay for just a couple of months, online will be free by the time smash comes out. We just have to all do it
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I haven't been keeping up with this, why do people hate it?
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eston posted...

I haven't been keeping up with this, why do people hate it?

They're trying to make people pay for what has always and should always be free
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Switch Online costs literally a nickel a day. Why are people so up in arms over this?
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

eston posted...

I haven't been keeping up with this, why do people hate it?

They're trying to make people pay for what has always and should always be free

Oh so it's just more gamer entitlement
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eston posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

eston posted...

I haven't been keeping up with this, why do people hate it?

They're trying to make people pay for what has always and should always be free

Oh so it's just more gamer entitlement

Other way around. Nintendo isn't entitled to my money
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I'm wondering if the online pokemon scene would be relatively dead with this. Hard to imagine tbh.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

This problem started in like the sixth or seventh generation with Xbox. Sony jumped on board the paid online bandwagon for gen 8, and now Nintendo is jumping on board with the Switch. So I mean yeah, I get why people are upset, but this should have been a much louder issue earlier.

Like seriously, this is a state of affairs that has been brewing for over a decade at this point. Was this an issue that sent gamers up in arms when the PS4 made PS+ a mandatory purchase to play online when the PS3 had (and still has) free online multiplayer? I know that this was barely an issue with the Xbox 360 because a lot of gamers today who played that at the time were mostly kids who didn't have to pay for it themselves, which is why I'm not going to appeal to that being an issue - the console gaming scene today is a lot more different than it used to be, even if some things are still as garbage as they were a decade ago. But you would think that this would have been a bigger deal at the time when Sony imposed an unnecessary cost for the PS4's online multiplayer - I guess people were just happier to see Sony wreck Microsoft for the latter's Kinect shenanigans.

The reason I'm not up in arms is because Nintendo's online is cheaper. I outright refuse to pay for PS+, and I continue to main a PS3 because I like the games on the system and I like having free multiplayer. I get the backlash against Nintendo Online, especially considering that online multiplayer has been free for a year and a half, but for things to be this militant? I think it's ridiculous when barely anyone gave a shit when PlayStation sold its multiplayer down the river, for over twice the amount that Nintendo has set.

People are entitled to feel screwed by this, and I can sympathize. I don't want to pay for an online service either. But I'm probably going to get it, because it's $30 AUD a year compared to Playstation and Xbox's $80 AUD a year. And even then, I can probably get by without it - I'll probably just co-op Smash with my friends at the end of the day, and I hear that Fortnite is exempt from the Online fee. People are upset and yelling about how we're getting screwed - my stance is that Nintendo's deal is screwing me less with its cheaper price point, and I like classic NES games so I'm not upset over their retro game library at the moment. The cloud save stuff? Not exactly a fan, not gonna lie - the other two companies have better policies, but that function is still hidden behind a paywall for those consoles (and a more expensive paywall, to boot).

Again - would prefer not to shell out for online play, especially since it's been free for so long. But I seriously see PlayStation and Xbox's online services as being a lot more price-gouging, and I'm just happy that a Nintendo subscription costs considerably less than a subscription for the other two consoles. That's where I stand on this.

I don't blame people for being upset, but if this was an issue worth fighting for as fervently as people are doing now, it would have been infinitely more useful to have fought this when PlayStation set up their paid online multiplayer service for PS4. To just now go after Nintendo for being greedy when people have been getting fleeced - for more money, and for the same service - across the other consoles on the market? Frankly, I think something stinks about this.
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How is this different from XBox Live or PS4's online?
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It was always an issue and I have never paid Sony or Microsoft money to play my own fucking games p2p. The idiots that have ruined it for everyone, and I don't want them to ruin it for Nintendo consoles too
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Musourenka posted...

How is this different from XBox Live or PS4's online?

Shit microphone capabilities and shit cloud saving.
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Musourenka posted...

How is this different from XBox Live or PS4's online?

Three wrongs don't make a right
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Superlinkbro posted...

Musourenka posted...

How is this different from XBox Live or PS4's online?

Shit microphone capabilities and shit cloud saving.

The free games are decades old games they've already sold 20 times over, and you have to check-in once a week or you'll lose them.
And making everything dependent on a fucking mobile app instead of letting the system handle basic fucking features.
Plus Nintendo's online has always been garbage, while Sony and MS at least try. And charging for it doesn't mean they'll suddenly start to care.
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BLAKUboy posted...

The free games are decades old games they've already sold 20 times over, and you have to check-in once a week or you'll lose them.

Many of those games are getting online functionality and added features. Also you don't "lose" the game, you simply have to check in (turn the system on while connected to a network) to play offline for a week. If you're paying for the online service, it stands to reason your Switch will have a wifi connection on a fairly regular basis. So it's really a non issue.
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voldothegr8 posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

The free games are decades old games they've already sold 20 times over, and you have to check-in once a week or you'll lose them.

Many of those games are getting online functionality and added features. Also you don't "lose" the game, you simply have to check in (turn the system on while connected to a network) to play offline for a week. If you're paying for the online service, it stands to reason your Switch will have a wifi connection on a fairly regular basis. So it's really a non issue.

Found the Nintendo shill

voldothegr8 posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

The free games are decades old games they've already sold 20 times over, and you have to check-in once a week or you'll lose them.

Many of those games are getting online functionality and added features. Also you don't "lose" the game, you simply have to check in (turn the system on while connected to a network) to play offline for a week. If you're paying for the online service, it stands to reason your Switch will have a wifi connection on a fairly regular basis. So it's really a non issue.

That's just a way for them to punish everyone because there is a Homebrew community.
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Less features than PSN Plus or Xbox Live, but its also less than half the price of those. So meh. The outrage is gamer entitlement.

I would like to see them include SNES games also.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Less features than PSN Plus or Xbox Live, but its also less than half the price of those. So meh. The outrage is gamer entitlement.

I would like to see them include SNES games also.

Nintendo is making obvious steps towards direct to consumer DRM and forcing the consumer to pay for this as a "service"

That's as much entitlement as it would be if a dealership implemented a forced rental fee on your car after you bought it and held you liable for anything that happened to the car.
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Caelthus posted...

Switch Online costs literally a nickel a day. Why are people so up in arms over this?

A MOD has such an ass opinion? Who'd a thunk
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

This is pure, shiny eyed optimistic idealism, disassociated from reality. Our options are to pay 20 bucks a month and get online, or not play online Switch.

Your post is like saying if everyone in the world just all got rid of their weapons at once and be nice to each other then everything would be cool. Technically true, but will never happen.
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spanky1 posted...

Your post is like saying if everyone in the world just all got rid of their weapons at once and be nice to each other then everything would be cool. Technically true, but will never happen.

This analogy doesn't work because then other people need weapons for your weapons to do anything. It's still a stretch though
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I'm wondering if the online pokemon scene would be relatively dead with this. Hard to imagine tbh.

They have to actually have a worthwile Pokemon game first.

Doe posted...

spanky1 posted...

Your post is like saying if everyone in the world just all got rid of their weapons at once and be nice to each other then everything would be cool. Technically true, but will never happen.

This analogy doesn't work because then other people need weapons for your weapons to do anything. It's still a stretch though

It works because the desired outcomes only become real if everyone trusts each other to do it, but we don't, so it won't happen.
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i dont give a fuck about the price I just expected a fucking decent voice chat system
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iPhone_7 posted...

The outrage is gamer entitlement.

How does not wanting to pay an unnecessary fee make one entitled?

Can I demand $50 from you and call you entitled if you don't provide it?

I have a few other worries with this whole thing though. They really don't seem to be providing a service beyond the forced DRM. And does this mean their DLC and Eshop will be behind a pay wall? That is effectively equivalent to a standard online ban that they hand out. Are they going to get ridiculously nitpicky about how you spend your money like Sony is?
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This topic is just rife with "It's okay when Nintendo does it."
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Trelve posted...

Learning posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Remember - this paid online scam only works if you let it. If everyone refused to pay for online, Nintendo would be left with two options - remove online entirely, or make it free. The former would harm sales of games like Smult and Spla2n, so they'd do the latter instead.

If anyone pays them money to play online, you are part of the problem, and if you could just reconsider and be patient we can prevent this from happening

You're completely delusional if you think that's even remotely feasible especially with so many available online games on the Switch and Smash right around the corner.

Oh no, not my online Switch games like Smash Bros...and...?

How about literally every game on Switch that has online multiplayer including eShop indie games

Such a dumb post lol. You put no thought into it
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BLAKUboy posted...

Superlinkbro posted...

Musourenka posted...

How is this different from XBox Live or PS4's online?

Shit microphone capabilities and shit cloud saving.

The free games are decades old games they've already sold 20 times over, and you have to check-in once a week or you'll lose them.
And making everything dependent on a fucking mobile app instead of letting the system handle basic fucking features.
Plus Nintendo's online has always been garbage, while Sony and MS at least try. And charging for it doesn't mean they'll suddenly start to care.

Okay, these are fair points. So it's not just a matter of Nintendo's online strategy mimicking Sony's and Microsoft's.
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Yeah I mean I don't really consider being able to buy SNES games a perk. That hasn't been a perk for like 15 years.

What's this about the mobile app? I haven't heard about it.
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Understanding since everything about it is anti consumer
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Irony posted...

Understanding since everything about it is anti consumer

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