Current Events > As if Ticketmaster wasn't scummy enough, now they're hiring 'pro' scalpers

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People respond to fender? lmao
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fenderbender321 posted...

In other words, you guys all want to have your cake and eat it too. That doesn't work.

Go ahead and pass a regulation, and you will see negative side effects to it.

Link to this article you were talking about, please
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Bad_Mojo posted...

@fenderbender321

I also did was you asked of us, I Googled up some info

They call this a pro -

Secondary markets for tickets allow potential buyers to indicate how much they want to go to the event their willingness to pay. If tickets can only be bought at a single price on a first come first serve basis, then some people who really want to go will be left out. Secondary markets permit these mutually beneficial exchanges to take place.

I agree, but the people being left out are left out because of scalpers! They have no intention of going to to the show, only to make more money off of the real fans. You're crazy for thinking this is a good thing

If people were only allowed to buy one ticket, then anyone who got a ticket is someone who really wanted to go.

there is a limited attendance and even if everyone was willing to stash money for years just to afford to go to one event at 5000% ticket price, everyone who wants to go will still not get in because the event will be sold out.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Fuck I hate this place. Why do I even bother trying to educate you all? Why even come to class if you all aren't even going to learn from your instructor? fuckity fuck fuck shit.

If you want to educate people it helps to be educated yourself.
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seems like fender is providing facts while the rest of you are going "waaah capitalism"
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Tyranthraxus posted...

If people were only allowed to buy one ticket, then anyone who got a ticket is someone who really wanted to go.

I don't really like this as a fix. I have in the past paid for tickets for friends so we could get seats together and then have them paid me back.
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i think you should just let these guys be ignorant

some people can't go through life without a boogieman to blame
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fenderbender321 posted...

Opponents mistakenly conclude that high prices are the fault of scalpers, when in fact prices are high because of a large demand and a limited supply.

But the limited supply is caused by the scalpers so....

fenderbender321 posted...

Scalping benefits the scalper and the buyer, by getting tickets to whomever values them most highly.

You don't need scalpers to have a second-hand market. And "valuing" something isn't the same as "being able to afford it"

fenderbender321 posted...

By buying tickets when they first become available and holding an inventory to sell at times that are most convenient to consumers, scalpers connect buyers with sellers and benefit both. They act as brokers, and the difference between the price they pay and the price they receive is their reward for doing this. The more scalpers compete to buy and resell tickets, the lower the markup that each will earn.

So they're completely redundant, except for higher prices, is what you're saying.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

In other words, you guys all want to have your cake and eat it too. That doesn't work.

Go ahead and pass a regulation, and you will see negative side effects to it.

Link to this article you were talking about, please

Google "economics behind ticket scalping"

Ticket scalping is the resale of tickets in the secondary market. It exists at many sports and other entertainment events because under-pricing at the box office creates excess demand, thereby not allowing the market to clear.

and then

... Most economists avidly oppose laws that make ticket scalping illegal.

Thanks, will do
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Why are people getting triggered over buying something and selling it for profit?

(I didn't read all the posts ITT so maybe this was addressed)
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Why are people getting triggered over buying something and selling it for profit?

(I didn't read all the posts ITT so maybe this was addressed)

People want fair competition to get tickets on a website and someone is arguing that someone buying up a shit-load of tickets is a good thing. They've made some points, but I'm still reading through them myself

@fenderbender321

What if the event gets canceled? They only refund you for the ticket's face value
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Why are people getting triggered over buying something and selling it for profit?

Those people buying and selling for a profit are now being employed by the seller who is effectively now double dipping on those profits.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Why are people getting triggered over buying something and selling it for profit?

Those people buying and selling for a profit are now being employed by the seller who is effectively now double dipping on those profits.

Sounds like a good business model

Are people just mad they didn't think of it first?
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Seriously though fuck scalpers and fuck Ticketmaster

Small venue shows ftw
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Scalpers can help with attracting bands that are only concerned with a sold out show. 10 dollar upcharge is better than $40 in gas and $100 in hotels to travel to the next closest city to see your band.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Why are people getting triggered over buying something and selling it for profit?

Those people buying and selling for a profit are now being employed by the seller who is effectively now double dipping on those profits.

Sounds like a good business model

Are people just mad they didn't think of it first?

Its incredibly scummy and anti-consumerism.

So not surprised a joke poster like yourself is ok with it.
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fenderbender321 posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Why are people getting triggered over buying something and selling it for profit?

Those people buying and selling for a profit are now being employed by the seller who is effectively now double dipping on those profits.

Sounds like a good business model

Are people just mad they didn't think of it first?

Its incredibly scummy and anti-consumerism.

So not surprised a joke poster like yourself is ok with it.

*rolls eyes*

Don't be upset because you got dealt a truth bomb.
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Conflict posted...

Like I'm not gonna sit here and believe that you actually think taking away goods that people want for regular msrp and using them for your own monetary gain somehow helps the consumer but you've definitely made this whole topic a waaaaay more entertaining read than it would've been otherwise and that is the reason why you're one of my favorite gimmick posters

"i'm right cause i'm calling you a troll"

i've noticed only liberals take this stance
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lifeamovie posted...

Conflict posted...

Like I'm not gonna sit here and believe that you actually think taking away goods that people want for regular msrp and using them for your own monetary gain somehow helps the consumer but you've definitely made this whole topic a waaaaay more entertaining read than it would've been otherwise and that is the reason why you're one of my favorite gimmick posters

"i'm right cause i'm calling you a troll"

i've noticed only liberals take this stance

Yet the only thing you do is call people you disagree with liberals.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Scalping certainly results in some consumers paying higher prices than they otherwise would. But in exchange for high prices, consumers can get the tickets they want, when they want them, without waiting in line or competing to be among the first to buy them online at a given time. Opponents mistakenly conclude that high prices are the fault of scalpers, when in fact prices are high because of a large demand and a limited supply.

This claim requires information that they fail to provide. How long would it take for the tickets to sell out if scalpers weren't buying them? If it takes a reasonable amount of time, then we are back to scalpers existing to solve a problem caused by scalpers.
fenderbender321 posted...

Scalping benefits the scalper and the buyer, by getting tickets to whomever values them most highly. If someone decides at the last minute to attend a play, a concert or a game, they can find tickets at some price. Without scalpers, some people who value the event highly would be unable to buy tickets for seats of the quality they desire.

This happens even without scalpers because you also have people who find out they can't go to the event. Secondary markets exist with or without scalpers.

fenderbender321 posted...

Scalping can also benefit ticket producers the sports teams or performing artists who supply tickets in two ways. First, it enables them to earn ticket revenue through face-value prices long before an event, while scalpers bear the risk that demand and prices might fall below the price they paid. Second, because of scalpers, the initial demand for tickets may be higher than it would otherwise be, enabling ticket producers to charge more.

This only works if scalpers heavily buy into an event they shouldn't have. Otherwise it has no effect of ticket producers.

fenderbender321 posted...

Ticket producers incur expenses long before an event, such as the cost of renting an arena. They can keep their selling costs down by selling all or most tickets quickly rather than over an extended period of time. By buying tickets when they first become available and holding an inventory to sell at times that are most convenient to consumers, scalpers connect buyers with sellers and benefit both. They act as brokers, and the difference between the price they pay and the price they receive is their reward for doing this. The more scalpers compete to buy and resell tickets, the lower the markup that each will earn.

This fails to establish any reasons why scalpers are good. There are places that have all ticket sales go through a third party agency so they have no additional costs if tickets sales go on for months instead of minutes.
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Tmaster148 posted...

lifeamovie posted...

Conflict posted...

Like I'm not gonna sit here and believe that you actually think taking away goods that people want for regular msrp and using them for your own monetary gain somehow helps the consumer but you've definitely made this whole topic a waaaaay more entertaining read than it would've been otherwise and that is the reason why you're one of my favorite gimmick posters

"i'm right cause i'm calling you a troll"

i've noticed only liberals take this stance

Yet the only thing you do is call people you disagree with liberals.

those are the only ones i've been disagreeing with
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@sktgamer_13dude posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Why are people getting triggered over buying something and selling it for profit?

Those people buying and selling for a profit are now being employed by the seller who is effectively now double dipping on those profits.

Sounds like a good business model

Are people just mad they didn't think of it first?

Its incredibly scummy and anti-consumerism.

So not surprised a joke poster like yourself is ok with it.

Show me where I said I was okay with it
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lifeamovie posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

lifeamovie posted...

Conflict posted...

Like I'm not gonna sit here and believe that you actually think taking away goods that people want for regular msrp and using them for your own monetary gain somehow helps the consumer but you've definitely made this whole topic a waaaaay more entertaining read than it would've been otherwise and that is the reason why you're one of my favorite gimmick posters

"i'm right cause i'm calling you a troll"

i've noticed only liberals take this stance

Yet the only thing you do is call people you disagree with liberals.

those are the only ones i've been disagreeing with

Sure buddy. Everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. That's a totally sane stance to take.
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I love trolling scalpers because it's so easy

also it's sad to be a "professional" scalper, it's a lolworthy "job" like meter maid
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