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Cilolntro
09/20/18 1:32:12 PM
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Do you believe Brett Kavanaugh is a rapist? - Results (37 votes)
Yes, a sex offender is about to be appointed to the Supreme Court
54.05% (20 votes)
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No, the accuser made it all up
45.95% (17 votes)
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John_Galt
09/20/18 1:32:55 PM
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No, the whole thing sounds fake
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rikasa
09/20/18 1:35:09 PM
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Attempted, yes. Obviously.
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SK8T3R215
09/20/18 1:36:08 PM
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rikasa posted...
Attempted, yes. Obviously.


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Cilolntro
09/20/18 1:37:12 PM
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I dont understand why people act like she made it up. Her therapist has notes from 6 years ago describing the incident, and she brought this to reporters before Kavanaugh was even the nominee (back when he was just on the list of possibilities). Her story and behavior are credible.
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TheKentster
09/20/18 1:39:59 PM
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What's the actual allegations? That at a party they went to a bedroom together and he locked the door?
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 1:41:25 PM
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TheKentster posted...
What's the actual allegations? That at a party they went to a bedroom together and he locked the door?

Pinned her down, started taking off her clothes and covered her mouth when she tried to yell for help. A friend was there watching, and turned up music loud so nobody could hear what was happening.
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scorpion41
09/20/18 1:43:04 PM
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Theres no way of knowing what did or didnt happen. There is not one shred of credible evidence the victim can produce that will prove Kavanaughs guilt. A 30 year old story about getting groped by a drunk isnt going to stick in court.
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Vertania
09/20/18 1:45:19 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Theres no way of knowing what did or didnt happen. There is not one shred of credible evidence the victim can produce that will prove Kavanaughs guilt. A 30 year old story about getting groped by a drunk isnt going to stick in court.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 1:45:33 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Theres no way of knowing what did or didnt happen. There is not one shred of credible evidence the victim can produce that will prove Kavanaughs guilt. A 30 year old story about getting groped by a drunk isnt going to stick in court.

Something happened, that is almost certainly a fact (see therapist notes). Can she prove it was Kavanaugh? Probably not, but it is plausible.
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Musourenka
09/20/18 1:45:53 PM
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Attempted rapist, yes.
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TheKentster
09/20/18 1:46:28 PM
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Cilolntro posted...
TheKentster posted...
What's the actual allegations? That at a party they went to a bedroom together and he locked the door?

Pinned her down, started taking off her clothes and covered her mouth when she tried to yell for help. A friend was there watching, and turned up music loud so nobody could hear what was happening.


That is very violent and criminal. There is intent and awareness of the illegality of the situation by his friend.

Strange how someone that criminal would go on to be such a well-liked and respected judge and family man. There's no other allegations of him being a violent criminal out there? Just this one incident when he was a teen?
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creativerealms
09/20/18 1:51:04 PM
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Nope he failed as a rapist.
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FrisbeeDude
09/20/18 1:52:06 PM
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Musourenka posted...
Attempted rapist, yes.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/20/18 1:52:20 PM
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TheKentster posted...
Cilolntro posted...
TheKentster posted...
What's the actual allegations? That at a party they went to a bedroom together and he locked the door?

Pinned her down, started taking off her clothes and covered her mouth when she tried to yell for help. A friend was there watching, and turned up music loud so nobody could hear what was happening.


That is very violent and criminal. There is intent and awareness of the illegality of the situation by his friend.

Strange how someone that criminal would go on to be such a well-liked and respected judge and family man. There's no other allegations of him being a violent criminal out there? Just this one incident when he was a teen?


Know what else is strange? When someone murders someone after not having murdered anyone in their life prior to the one time they did. :shrug emoji:
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 2:17:30 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
TheKentster posted...
Cilolntro posted...
TheKentster posted...
What's the actual allegations? That at a party they went to a bedroom together and he locked the door?

Pinned her down, started taking off her clothes and covered her mouth when she tried to yell for help. A friend was there watching, and turned up music loud so nobody could hear what was happening.


That is very violent and criminal. There is intent and awareness of the illegality of the situation by his friend.

Strange how someone that criminal would go on to be such a well-liked and respected judge and family man. There's no other allegations of him being a violent criminal out there? Just this one incident when he was a teen?


Know what else is strange? When someone murders someone after not having murdered anyone in their life prior to the one time they did. :shrug emoji:

You mean like OJ?
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TheKentster
09/20/18 3:12:14 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Know what else is strange? When someone murders someone after not having murdered anyone in their life prior to the one time they did. :shrug emoji:


I don't think those are comparable, but what you're referring to would be the opposite. A normal person who goes crazy and murders someone is much more commonplace than a teenager who becomes a rapist one night and then goes on to a great, successful adulthood.
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Payzmaykr
09/20/18 3:12:53 PM
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How about doing a search next time? There are probably fifty topics about this.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 5:52:46 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
How about doing a search next time? There are probably fifty topics about this.

You seem to be under the impression that I care.
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HypnoCoosh
09/20/18 5:53:17 PM
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Republicans: A Sexual Assault allegation!? At an unspecified date, at an unspecified time, in an unspecified location, localized entirely within her mind?

Democrats: Yes.

Republicans: May we hear this woman's story?

Democrats: No...
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catboy0_0
09/20/18 5:55:27 PM
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The only possibility I believe that exonerates Kavanaugh is a case of mistaken identity. I believe the woman is telling the truth as she sees it.
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BonBonTheCutest
09/20/18 5:56:11 PM
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No?
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Zikten
09/20/18 5:56:34 PM
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Attempted maybe. Even the victim admits he didn't actually rape her
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HylianFox
09/20/18 5:56:38 PM
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I don't think he's a rapist per se, but he's probably groped or forced himself on more than a few women
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Vaati_Reborn
09/20/18 5:56:50 PM
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Perfectly even poll
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 5:57:29 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Republicans: A Sexual Assault allegation!? At an unspecified date, at an unspecified time, in an unspecified location, localized entirely within her mind?

Democrats: Yes.

Republicans: May we hear this woman's story?

Democrats: No...

That isnt even remotely close to what has happened. She will testify once the FBI looks into it as they did with Anita Hill. It is absurd to expect a random woman to testify on the national stage without any sort of preparation. Republicans are just setting unrealistic deadlines so they can give themselves an out and vote in an accused rapist.
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Zikten
09/20/18 5:58:07 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Republicans: A Sexual Assault allegation!? At an unspecified date, at an unspecified time, in an unspecified location, localized entirely within her mind?

Democrats: Yes.

Republicans: May we hear this woman's story?

Democrats: No...

Well Democrat, you are an odd fellow but you tell a good story
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Panthera
09/20/18 6:01:14 PM
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No, given that she's literally not even accusing him of raping her as far as I know (sexual assault includes things that aren't rape as well, and I'm pretty sure that's the case here)

Given that she spoke about it years ago when she'd have little reason to if it weren't more or less true, I think it's likelier than not that she's telling the truth about what happened. I don't make statements of outright certainty on things like this without compelling evidence, but what evidence does exist points to him likely being a scum bag
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HypnoCoosh
09/20/18 6:01:18 PM
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Cilolntro posted...
accused rapist


Soooooo this one time back in the 80's Kavanaugh tried to rape me on a space station. True story.

/sarcasm
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EternalDivide
09/20/18 6:08:42 PM
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It all reeks of being bs. Or simply that she's not all there mentally.
She doesn't remember when or where exactly this supposed "attack" took place. Please. That is some pure bs right there.
The timing of this allegation, no details, no evidence and no witnesses. But oh, the therapist has notes. So? On what exactly? That this woman made this allegation that packs any detail, evidence and has no witnesses to back any of it up. That's what.
I mean for the love of god. It sounds as bad and as lacking as people who say they were abducted by aliens.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 6:27:12 PM
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EternalDivide posted...
It all reeks of being bs. Or simply that she's not all there mentally.
She doesn't remember when or where exactly this supposed "attack" took place. Please. That is some pure bs right there.
The timing of this allegation, no details, no evidence and no witnesses. But oh, the therapist has notes. So? On what exactly? That this woman made this allegation that packs any detail, evidence and has no witnesses to back any of it up. That's what.
I mean for the love of god. It sounds as bad and as lacking as people who say they were abducted by aliens.

The timing? She brought this up months ago before he was even the nominee. Do some research.
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DarkTransient
09/20/18 6:27:44 PM
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It's plausible that it's true. Mistaken identity is also plausible.

I don't consider it very likely to be an outright lie, but I do seriously doubt it'll be possible to prove to any legal standard.

The timing of the release of it was definitely a political move, but given that that didn't come from the alleged victim, but a third party who leaked the information without the victim's agreement, I don't feel it has any impact on the credibility of the accusation itself. The only thing it says anything about is the motives of the person who leaked it - and a truthful accusation is still true even if there was an ulterior motive for revealing it.
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catboy0_0
09/20/18 6:29:07 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
but I do seriously doubt it'll be possible to prove to any legal standard.

well I think him being convicted as a criminal is pretty much impossible, but the standard for being allowed to serve as a supreme justice might be a little more difficult to attain
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 11:21:06 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
It's plausible that it's true. Mistaken identity is also plausible.

I don't consider it very likely to be an outright lie, but I do seriously doubt it'll be possible to prove to any legal standard.

The timing of the release of it was definitely a political move, but given that that didn't come from the alleged victim, but a third party who leaked the information without the victim's agreement, I don't feel it has any impact on the credibility of the accusation itself. The only thing it says anything about is the motives of the person who leaked it - and a truthful accusation is still true even if there was an ulterior motive for revealing it.

I 100% agree with what you said. I do believe that an investigation should be conducted though. No non-biased, rational person would be trying to rush this like the republicans are. They are just trying to force this through before the midterm elections, and they don't care at all about whether or not Kavanaugh actually did it.
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littlebro07
09/20/18 11:25:01 PM
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I believe he at least attempted to rape the accuser. He seems like a decent human being now but should definitely be held accountable for his past if it's true.
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SideshowBob311
09/21/18 1:04:32 AM
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Cilolntro posted...
DarkTransient posted...
It's plausible that it's true. Mistaken identity is also plausible.

I don't consider it very likely to be an outright lie, but I do seriously doubt it'll be possible to prove to any legal standard.

The timing of the release of it was definitely a political move, but given that that didn't come from the alleged victim, but a third party who leaked the information without the victim's agreement, I don't feel it has any impact on the credibility of the accusation itself. The only thing it says anything about is the motives of the person who leaked it - and a truthful accusation is still true even if there was an ulterior motive for revealing it.

I 100% agree with what you said. I do believe that an investigation should be conducted though. No non-biased, rational person would be trying to rush this like the republicans are. They are just trying to force this through before the midterm elections, and they don't care at all about whether or not Kavanaugh actually did it.


You say that like the Democrats (that Feinstein mummy, I think) didn't hold this story in her back pocket until the last possible second in an attempt to delay/derail the nomination. Nobody cares what actually happened one way or the other...both sides are just using whatever weapons they have available to try and "win" this particular conflict.
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Cilolntro
09/21/18 1:15:14 AM
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SideshowBob311 posted...
You say that like the Democrats (that Feinstein mummy, I think) didn't hold this story in her back pocket until the last possible second in an attempt to delay/derail the nomination. Nobody cares what actually happened one way or the other...both sides are just using whatever weapons they have available to try and "win" this particular conflict.

Um, no. I don't want a fucking rapist in office regardless of political affiliation. There are plenty of other right-wing extremists they could pick. Just because you don't have a problem with electing sex offenders doesn't mean the rest of us don't.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/21/18 1:21:25 AM
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Trumpists just want Kavanaugh because he thinks the president should be treated as a king. Trump (and his legions of brainwashed idiots) know that once the Mueller shit hits the fan, he'll need to rely on Kavanaugh.
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