Board 8 > Let me talk about Umineko 2!!! *still continue to not spoil me!!*

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GANON1025
09/29/18 10:19:22 AM
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Well I thought I'd be able to finish Episode 4 before the topic got to 500 posts. Guess not!
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MariaTaylor
09/29/18 10:48:01 AM
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GANON1025
09/29/18 10:57:42 AM
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I can definitely say

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GANON1025
09/29/18 11:10:10 AM
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Anyway, this is probably a bad time in the story for me to idly speculate (I left off right in the middle of Ange's confrontation of the black witch who had transformed into adult Eva) but I am left wondering some things. The events that happened just before with the seven sisters was very cool, but I wonder what that could mean. It's possible there's a real world explanation like maybe Amakusa DID follow Ange and was able to take everyone out from a distance with some kind of rifle. But I don't know.

Back in episode 2 I think, maybe 3 Virgilia discusses the idea of both a real human world and a magical world. This is also emphasized by Beatrice talking about the two colors of a chess board. And I begin to wonder if this might actually be a real explanation. In the universe of Umineko, there is actually a plane of magic that people with the right frame of mind and training can tap into. Or at least, something that looks like magic to us.

BUT, even if such a thing exists that doesn't mean the killings are being done by magic. Elephants are real, but if someone tried to say that all the killings were done by an elephant trampling over the entire family that would just be impossible to be true. Maybe something like that is in play here, but with magic.

There's also what I believe is a non-zero percent chance that much of what we see between Battler and Beatrice is Ange's imagination. It could fit too. Ange, traumatized by losing her family and all the awful shit she's been through begins to have elaborate fantasies of her beloved brother battling an evil witch for everyone's souls. Even the events happening in the present/future could be called into question, and I'm not just talking about the seven sisters. This whole story of Ange being on the run from the Sumaderas and slowly piecing together clues is like something out of a globe-trotting thriller and might be some kind of exaggeration of real events.

But I really hope it's not imagination. I sad this before, but I want a solution that both shows real-world explanations for everything but also allows for the magical stuff to have happened. And I think there is still something to the idea that this "magic" is a level of understanding of the universe that is so beyond what normal people can understand that at this point in the story it's just being called magic but there will be a greater reveal about it all.
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GANON1025
09/29/18 11:14:30 AM
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Also, I really wish I could have seen Kinzo's test of Maria. He seemed to really like Maria after that, so I'm curious about what went down.
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GANON1025
09/29/18 4:15:51 PM
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This part ruled btw:

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GANON1025
09/29/18 5:39:49 PM
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I really liked that ending! Ange was very impressive, both with her own magical abilities and with sacrificing herself as a piece to get Battler back in order. I wonder if we will see a new, better Battler now that he has a more clearly-defined reason for winning a new fire has been lit under him.
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GANON1025
09/29/18 6:51:35 PM
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That tea party was DEFINITELY unexpected! I was not prepared to see Battler and Beatrice's final confrontation over the different killings so soon. Honestly, I thought the next set of episodes were going to re-examine each of the killings and there, one by one, we would see Battler take them down. But no, it basically all happened here. Of course some of Battler's explanations were out there, and they didn't all give a clear vision of what really happened. But it was still a dramatic duel all the same.
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GANON1025
09/29/18 7:12:22 PM
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In the ????, Lambadelta raised the same points I was feeling in that Battler's explanations had some holes in them. It's obviously not a surprise to me that things will continue from here. The fact they both stated so succinctly that there is no way for Beatrice to even win gave me an ominous feeling, even though I actually don't want her to win at all.

And I guess that's it? Not that that wasn't enough or anything.
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Team Rocket Elite
09/29/18 7:14:41 PM
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That Tea Party is one of my favourite parts of the entire series. dreamenddischarger is such a good song.
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Reg
09/29/18 7:20:47 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
And I guess that's it? Not that that wasn't enough or anything.

Now imagine leaving off on exactly this and having to wait something like 6 months for the next episode to get released and translated

That's where I was when I first got into the series ~_~
GANON1025
09/29/18 7:31:54 PM
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Yeah, I can see how that could leave someone feeling impatient and anxious for the next part.
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KamikazePotato
09/29/18 7:40:55 PM
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The end of Episode 4 is the pinnacle of Umineko.

Reg posted...
GANON1025 posted...
And I guess that's it? Not that that wasn't enough or anything.

Now imagine leaving off on exactly this and having to wait something like 6 months for the next episode to get released and translated

That's where I was when I first got into the series ~_~

Same
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
GANON1025
09/29/18 8:09:44 PM
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Here's what I know about the second half of Umineko:

- there's a new, blue-haired girl
- going by this preview in my steam library, there is a scene where Battler talks to Lambadelta
- This is only a hunch from what I've vaguely heard talked about, but I'm assuming Episode 8 is not that good or satisfying to a lot of people?

That's it.
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LeonhartFour
09/29/18 9:50:43 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
Of course some of Battler's explanations were out there


small bombs the best
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LeonhartFour
09/29/18 9:51:44 PM
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GANON1025
09/30/18 12:36:23 PM
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So I started to skim through this screenshot LP of Umineko on a different forum. It's fun to see other people's first time reactions to the events of the story. There's something I noticed though. Kanon acts really, really oddly towards Battler in episode 1 when they first meet. At the time it doesn't seem like a big deal, but now it's very out of character for Kanon. I wonder if this is a clue to the 'sin'? That Battler did something to him or Shannon? There's DEFINITELY some kind of big secret between Kanon and Shannon I think. There's wiggle room for Shannon to be the culprit a few different times, plus if allow for "Sayo" and Kanon's true name to be different personas (thus they count as different people for any deaths) then the door is blown wide open.
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Sceptilesolar
09/30/18 12:43:22 PM
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You're talking about ProfessorProf's LP? That one is amazing. I read through it a few months ago.
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Just killing time until the world ends.
GANON1025
09/30/18 12:44:07 PM
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GANON1025
09/30/18 2:30:59 PM
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Already the little preview text about Episode 5 has me intrigued.
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GANON1025
09/30/18 3:02:26 PM
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So this episode not only starts the game in the middle when the real good stuff begins, but also Rosa is already dead. What a great turn of events! I'm not sure if I fully "get" Lambadelta and Bern yet, but I do understand that to some degree Battler and Beatrice's battle is nothing more than a way for them to fend of boredom, so their aloof/uncaring attitude about everything steams from that I would guess.

The intro has a lot more of a Natsuhi focus than I would have anticipated. Interesting..
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GANON1025
09/30/18 3:26:35 PM
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Wow, Krauss is really gullible and stupid. Or rather, he let Kinzo's shadow get the better of him. Those 11,000 power level punches aren't going to save his home..!
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GANON1025
09/30/18 3:50:47 PM
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So Natsuhi was the one to come with the idea to hide Kinzo's death. I would have expected that to be Krauss' doing, and only he and a few of the servants would know.
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GANON1025
09/30/18 3:59:57 PM
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... I say that, but I remember Natsuhi had a (now imagined) conversation with Kinzo in Episode 1. So that means she must have been in on it at least.
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Sceptilesolar
09/30/18 4:28:11 PM
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Krauss and his moon tourism. It's funny/sad when Natsuhi tries to justify his bad business decisions by calling him a visionary who's just ahead of his time, but maybe he actually was just ahead of his time and was proto-Elon Musk all along. He's at least enough of a jerk to be.
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Just killing time until the world ends.
GANON1025
09/30/18 4:31:16 PM
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Krauss certainly loves that one guy, what a great young forward-thinking and honorable man.
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GANON1025
09/30/18 6:04:59 PM
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I'm not sure that I like Battler constantly wavering into supporting Beatrice. I guess this time is more that he feels sorry for her, but I like it better than Battler is 100% fully against her.
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GANON1025
09/30/18 6:49:20 PM
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Look, I don't like Rosa. But seems like even the game at this point has given up all pretense of acing like Rosa might have a good side. I think the last time there was a scene with Rosa in it, where she actually came off in a positive light (and that she then didn't ruin later like with Saktaro) was dozens and dozens of hours ago.
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GANON1025
09/30/18 7:06:57 PM
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It seems like there are more varied sprites in this VN. Characters from different angles, a few more "idle" poses.

This conversation Natsuhi supposedly had with this supposed son reminds me that I learn that both Natsuhi and Eva are around 50 years old. Looking good!!
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GANON1025
09/30/18 7:41:08 PM
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So Bern created a self-insert OC, one that apparently everyone in the game loves, AND she's super-smart and is about to solve the riddle?
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Zyxyz0
09/30/18 7:42:10 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
So Bern created a self-insert OC, one that apparently everyone in the game loves, AND she's super-smart and is about to solve the riddle?

Original Detective Do Not Steal
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Tom Bombadil
09/30/18 7:45:11 PM
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What do you think, everybody?
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MariaTaylor
09/30/18 11:56:15 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
So Bern created a self-insert OC, one that apparently everyone in the game loves, AND she's super-smart and is about to solve the riddle?


LOL

best description of Erika I've ever seen
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LeonhartFour
10/01/18 12:03:10 AM
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the fact that Episode 5 might be my favorite episode despite Erika being in it just speaks to how great it is
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GANON1025
10/01/18 10:16:16 PM
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So once again, the actual solution to the riddle to dodged around. And I was really excited to hear the answer!! I have literally no clue what it could be.

At least Battler found it. Though it sounds like he won't become the next master? I was hoping to see what he liked like as a wizard, like what happened with Eva.
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GANON1025
10/01/18 10:47:56 PM
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A bit more has been revealed about Beatrice's motivations. Or lack thereof in some cases. The epitaph and the murders hold no real meaning for her, but combined they mean something. I was thinking the murders were maybe revenge against Battler, until Virgilia rejected it. I get the feeling Beatrice is really obsessed over this "sin" Battler did, and both the riddle and the killings are somehow clues to figuring it out. When Beatrice claimed his sin was the cause of everything, it wasn't assigning blame but more trying to give him a hint of what is going on.
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GANON1025
10/02/18 8:08:57 PM
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Oh yeah, there's something else I think I've seen from this second half of the story. These screenshots/sprites of Battler is in this dope-looking cape.
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GANON1025
10/02/18 8:18:00 PM
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"Hideyoshi was particularly proud of how he'd started with nothing and built up assets by illegally diverting goods from the American army."

Hideyoshi not a fan of the US I take it. <Death by hanging!>
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GANON1025
10/02/18 8:54:31 PM
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Will I ever get to see Lunon, Manon on Leion??
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GANON1025
10/02/18 9:08:30 PM
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This mysterious man who claims to be Natsuhi's son was kinda interesting. But it turns out to be just Lmabadelta changing her voice which is really lame.
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Tom Bombadil
10/03/18 10:17:06 PM
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agree
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Look at all those chickens
I can be impulsive! I just have to think about it first!
MariaTaylor
10/04/18 5:28:44 AM
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self bump
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pjbasis
10/04/18 11:34:17 AM
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GANON1025
10/04/18 12:03:09 PM
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I know!! Shes so smart and funny and humble too!!
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GANON1025
10/04/18 8:15:22 PM
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Boy, if/when there's a part where Battler finally and completely outsmarts/defeats all these witches it'll be AMAZING
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Tom Bombadil
10/05/18 8:36:44 PM
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right?
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Look at all those chickens
I can be impulsive! I just have to think about it first!
GANON1025
10/06/18 9:01:50 AM
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I've been having some performance issues with Umineko Chiru, which is a weird thing to say for a VN???
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GANON1025
10/06/18 4:17:54 PM
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Erika is a (deliberately I imagine) frustrating element in this game. Using her power to force her way into the crime scene under the authority as the "detective" makes this whole thing feel off. Like not even the human "side" (before Battler stepped in) really even cares about what's going on except as a fun distraction, and will basically do whatever they please.
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GANON1025
10/06/18 8:52:41 PM
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You know, I have to say the character I've turned around the most on in a positive way is Gohda. He's quite cool actually. Now I'll probably see something that'll make me regret saying that.....
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GANON1025
10/07/18 10:35:57 AM
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I cant wait to look up so much cool stuff once I finish the whole story. The song mashups, the memes, the gaap cosplay...
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