Current Events > Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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Blighboy 10/02/18 7:55:00 PM #101:	Balrog0 posted... it's an illustration of how amazon gets a competitive advantage by increasing the price floor of labor you see, walmart has more dots which means more stores which means people If they were selling as much per employee that wouldn't be a problem. If they can't afford to pay their employees a competitive wage that's an issue with them. --- https://i.imgtc.com/IoWAUSb.jpg <cite>Blighboy posted [p:909849691] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>it's an illustration of how amazon gets a competitive advantage by increasing the price floor of labor you see, walmart has more dots which means more stores which means people</quote> If they were selling as much per employee that wouldn't be a problem. If they can't afford to pay their employees a competitive wage that's an issue with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/02/18 10:24:03 PM #102:	Blighboy posted... Balrog0 posted... it's an illustration of how amazon gets a competitive advantage by increasing the price floor of labor you see, walmart has more dots which means more stores which means people If they were selling as much per employee that wouldn't be a problem. If they can't afford to pay their employees a competitive wage that's an issue with them. They have different strategies as companies. I'm not assigning blame, just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations. I'm pretty skeptical that you can attribute more to Bernie or striking workers here than simple and common corporate strategy but I could be wrong, of course I mean Walmart has commonly pursued this strategy themselves on a state level. $15 is probably just a bit high for them. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:909858471] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>it's an illustration of how amazon gets a competitive advantage by increasing the price floor of labor you see, walmart has more dots which means more stores which means people</quote> If they were selling as much per employee that wouldn't be a problem. If they can't afford to pay their employees a competitive wage that's an issue with them.</quote> They have different strategies as companies. I'm not assigning blame, just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations. I'm pretty skeptical that you can attribute more to Bernie or striking workers here than simple and common corporate strategy but I could be wrong, of course I mean Walmart has commonly pursued this strategy themselves on a state level. $15 is probably just a bit high for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 11:03:44 PM #103:	Balrog0 posted... just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations. It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909860879] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations.</quote> It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/03/18 4:44:02 AM #104:	Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations. It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once. Finding the happy medium that accounts for the competitive advantage is the right move. They might not be capable of meeting Walmart's prices, but they're perfectly capable of compensating the workers better than them and having higher quality products that have a justifiable increased price. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:909872418] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations.</quote> It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once.</quote> Finding the happy medium that accounts for the competitive advantage is the right move. They might not be capable of meeting Walmart's prices, but they're perfectly capable of compensating the workers better than them and having higher quality products that have a justifiable increased price.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 10/03/18 3:33:59 PM #105:	Also of note, they're lobbying for a $15 min wage for smaller competitors as well. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:909897346] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote>Also of note, they're lobbying for a $15 min wage for smaller competitors as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/03/18 3:36:31 PM #106:	Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations. It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once. This was literally my first thought when I saw that Bezos is going to lobby Washington... I'm all for them choosing to pay a higher wage and maybe attract better workers I'm not for trying to impose their own business decisions on all other businesses...especially when not all businesses can afford such a decision. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:909897471] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations.</quote> It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once.</quote> This was literally my first thought when I saw that Bezos is going to lobby Washington... I'm all for them choosing to pay a higher wage and maybe attract better workers I'm not for trying to impose their own business decisions on all other businesses...especially when not all businesses can afford such a decision.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/03/18 5:26:36 PM #107:	Romes187 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations. It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once. This was literally my first thought when I saw that Bezos is going to lobby Washington... I'm all for them choosing to pay a higher wage and maybe attract better workers I'm not for trying to impose their own business decisions on all other businesses...especially when not all businesses can afford such a decision. If a business can't pay its workers, it's not a successful business (model). It's pretty much a myth at this point or an old wives' tale. They can fucking pay the workers, they just don't want to. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:909903096] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations.</quote> It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once.</quote> This was literally my first thought when I saw that Bezos is going to lobby Washington... I'm all for them choosing to pay a higher wage and maybe attract better workers I'm not for trying to impose their own business decisions on all other businesses...especially when not all businesses can afford such a decision.</quote> If a business can't pay its workers, it's not a successful business (model). It's pretty much a myth at this point or an old wives' tale. They can fucking pay the workers, they just don't want to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/03/18 5:38:37 PM #108:	Kineth posted... Romes187 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations. It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once. This was literally my first thought when I saw that Bezos is going to lobby Washington... I'm all for them choosing to pay a higher wage and maybe attract better workers I'm not for trying to impose their own business decisions on all other businesses...especially when not all businesses can afford such a decision. If a business can't pay its workers, it's not a successful business (model). It's pretty much a myth at this point or an old wives' tale. They can fucking pay the workers, they just don't want to. That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do <cite>Romes187 posted [p:909903683] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>just pointing out one thing to consider regarding Amazon's motivations.</quote> It's pretty clever, really: if they just can't starve walmart to death by undercutting prices, starve walmart to death with labor costs. Possibly both at once.</quote> This was literally my first thought when I saw that Bezos is going to lobby Washington... I'm all for them choosing to pay a higher wage and maybe attract better workers I'm not for trying to impose their own business decisions on all other businesses...especially when not all businesses can afford such a decision.</quote> If a business can't pay its workers, it's not a successful business (model). It's pretty much a myth at this point or an old wives' tale. They can fucking pay the workers, they just don't want to.</quote> That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/18 10:14:59 PM #109:	Romes187 posted... That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. this sounds like a nice fantasy, but it's not how things work. if businesses are having trouble getting people to want to work there, they can import foreign workers and pay them less than minimum wage. the business isn't any worse off for it. businesses just have too much power over workers and over prospective workers. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:909918638] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails.</quote> this sounds like a nice fantasy, but it's not how things work. if businesses are having trouble getting people to want to work there, they can import foreign workers and pay them less than minimum wage. the business isn't any worse off for it. businesses just have too much power over workers and over prospective workers. <quote>jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 10/03/18 10:19:21 PM #110:	Kombucha posted... Middle hope posted... Watch them raise the price of prime by 20 bucks to compensate would you not be willing to pay a little extra so people could get a better wage? Not at all. Ill buy it where its cheaper. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:909918880] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Watch them raise the price of prime by 20 bucks to compensate</quote> would you not be willing to pay a little extra so people could get a better wage?</quote> Not at all. Ill buy it where its cheaper.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/18 11:40:10 PM #111:	averagejoel posted... Romes187 posted... That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. this sounds like a nice fantasy, but it's not how things work. if businesses are having trouble getting people to want to work there, they can import foreign workers and pay them less than minimum wage. the business isn't any worse off for it. businesses just have too much power over workers and over prospective workers. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do I hate both of your responses essentially equally Edit: Something about fish hook theory --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:909922860] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails.</quote> this sounds like a nice fantasy, but it's not how things work. if businesses are having trouble getting people to want to work there, they can import foreign workers and pay them less than minimum wage. the business isn't any worse off for it. businesses just have too much power over workers and over prospective workers. <quote>jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do </quote></quote> I hate both of your responses essentially equally Edit: Something about fish hook theory</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
8-bit_Biceps 10/04/18 2:39:55 AM #112:	FLUFFYGERM posted... but i thought we need high corporate taxes and severe regulations in order to benefit workers gee it's almost as if minimum wage laws can be entirely replaces by the free market! Gee, it's almost as if there is an overwhelmingly positive benefit en masse to just have the government enact minimum wage laws and no down side at all, and that you're an asshat, and an undereducated douchebag cock sucking mother fucker. It's almost as if it's possible for the government to expedite liberty and the pursuit of happiness if people like you just stopped voting and stfu and let us move forward. Read a book, read a book, read a mo' fuckin book and brush yo god damn teef. It's people like you who keep people spiritually devolved so that I will inevitably get moderated for calling you a cock sucker over the internet of all things. <cite>8-bit_Biceps posted [p:909929284] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>but i thought we need high corporate taxes and severe regulations in order to benefit workers gee it's almost as if minimum wage laws can be entirely replaces by the free market!</quote> Gee, it's almost as if there is an overwhelmingly positive benefit en masse to just have the government enact minimum wage laws and no down side at all, and that you're an asshat, and an undereducated douchebag cock sucking mother fucker. It's almost as if it's possible for the government to expedite liberty and the pursuit of happiness if people like you just stopped voting and stfu and let us move forward. Read a book, read a book, read a mo' fuckin book and brush yo god damn teef. It's people like you who keep people spiritually devolved so that I will inevitably get moderated for calling you a cock sucker over the internet of all things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 10/04/18 6:48:04 AM #114:	Romes187 posted... That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do Don't be a hypocrite. Given how long wages haven't been raised, a moderate raise in wages shouldn't break a fucking business especially in the face of record profits. Keep your passive aggression to yourself. Also, LOL at that 8-bit Biceps post. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:909934036] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do</quote> Don't be a hypocrite. Given how long wages haven't been raised, a moderate raise in wages shouldn't break a fucking business especially in the face of record profits. Keep your passive aggression to yourself. Also, LOL at that 8-bit Biceps post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 10/04/18 7:00:23 AM #115:	lmao <cite>treewojima posted [p:909934311] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote>lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/04/18 11:18:01 AM #116:	Kineth posted... Romes187 posted... That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do Don't be a hypocrite. Given how long wages haven't been raised, a moderate raise in wages shouldn't break a fucking business especially in the face of record profits. Keep your passive aggression to yourself. Also, LOL at that 8-bit Biceps post. I'm not talking about businesses with record breaking profits. I'm talking about small businesses that cannot afford to pay high wages. It'll sink them. But hey, if I'm a guy who can't get a job at 7 bucks an hour, I'm sure, just absolutely sure I'll get hired at 15. Balrog0 posted... averagejoel posted... Romes187 posted... That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. this sounds like a nice fantasy, but it's not how things work. if businesses are having trouble getting people to want to work there, they can import foreign workers and pay them less than minimum wage. the business isn't any worse off for it. businesses just have too much power over workers and over prospective workers. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do I hate both of your responses essentially equally Edit: Something about fish hook theory Rog0 you know I'm right <cite>Romes187 posted [p:909943384] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails. jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do</quote> Don't be a hypocrite. Given how long wages haven't been raised, a moderate raise in wages shouldn't break a fucking business especially in the face of record profits. Keep your passive aggression to yourself. Also, LOL at that 8-bit Biceps post.</quote> I'm not talking about businesses with record breaking profits. I'm talking about small businesses that cannot afford to pay high wages. It'll sink them. But hey, if I'm a guy who can't get a job at 7 bucks an hour, I'm sure, just absolutely sure I'll get hired at 15. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>That's not true at all. You can't have a price floor, have businesses create their models based on that, raise the floor, and say "well if you can't pay your workers what we say NOW then you fail" They can fucking pay the works exactly what the worker agrees to. If no one agrees, then the business fails.</quote> this sounds like a nice fantasy, but it's not how things work. if businesses are having trouble getting people to want to work there, they can import foreign workers and pay them less than minimum wage. the business isn't any worse off for it. businesses just have too much power over workers and over prospective workers. <quote>jfc some people don't know anything about anything and still spout off like they do </quote></quote> I hate both of your responses essentially equally Edit: Something about fish hook theory</quote> Rog0 you know I'm right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/04/18 11:19:45 AM #117:	Romes187 posted... I'm not talking about businesses with record breaking profits. I'm talking about small businesses that cannot afford to pay high wages. It'll sink them. But hey, if I'm a guy who can't get a job at 7 bucks an hour, I'm sure, just absolutely sure I'll get hired at 15. I believe truly small businesses are exempt, though I wouldn't be able to tell you the exact cut off (I think its based on gross revenues, so some businesses would have an easier time than others depending on what their margins are of course) the bigger issue to me is that the empirical evidence would say that the main disemployment effect is in the form of hours worked rather than actual job losses... and if you cut my hours by 10% but increase my pay by 30%, that's a straight up win-win for me --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:909943460] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not talking about businesses with record breaking profits. I'm talking about small businesses that cannot afford to pay high wages. It'll sink them. But hey, if I'm a guy who can't get a job at 7 bucks an hour, I'm sure, just absolutely sure I'll get hired at 15.</quote> I believe truly small businesses are exempt, though I wouldn't be able to tell you the exact cut off (I think its based on gross revenues, so some businesses would have an easier time than others depending on what their margins are of course) the bigger issue to me is that the empirical evidence would say that the main disemployment effect is in the form of hours worked rather than actual job losses... and if you cut my hours by 10% but increase my pay by 30%, that's a straight up win-win for me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/04/18 11:20:30 AM #118:	that's not to say I'm not concerned about the implications of automation especially in this debate fwiw I just think the terms of these arguments are seriously flawed usually --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:909943496] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote>that's not to say I'm not concerned about the implications of automation especially in this debate fwiw I just think the terms of these arguments are seriously flawed usually</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/04/18 11:21:06 AM #119:	Balrog0 posted... Romes187 posted... I'm not talking about businesses with record breaking profits. I'm talking about small businesses that cannot afford to pay high wages. It'll sink them. But hey, if I'm a guy who can't get a job at 7 bucks an hour, I'm sure, just absolutely sure I'll get hired at 15. I believe truly small businesses are exempt, though I wouldn't be able to tell you the exact cut off (I think its based on gross revenues, so some businesses would have an easier time than others depending on what their margins are of course) the bigger issue to me is that the empirical evidence would say that the main disemployment effect is in the form of hours worked rather than actual job losses... and if you cut my hours by 10% but increase my pay by 30%, that's a straight up win-win for me If small business is exempt I'm much more ok with it. However I thought I saw an article itt claiming they were not <cite>Romes187 posted [p:909943523] in Amazon rai... [t:77059795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not talking about businesses with record breaking profits. I'm talking about small businesses that cannot afford to pay high wages. It'll sink them. But hey, if I'm a guy who can't get a job at 7 bucks an hour, I'm sure, just absolutely sure I'll get hired at 15.</quote> I believe truly small businesses are exempt, though I wouldn't be able to tell you the exact cut off (I think its based on gross revenues, so some businesses would have an easier time than others depending on what their margins are of course) the bigger issue to me is that the empirical evidence would say that the main disemployment effect is in the form of hours worked rather than actual job losses... and if you cut my hours by 10% but increase my pay by 30%, that's a straight up win-win for me</quote> If small business is exempt I'm much more ok with it. However I thought I saw an article itt claiming they were not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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