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PumpkinCoach
12/21/18 12:04:52 AM
#201:


i know it's far from the most important thing, but so consumed am i by the list that one of my first thoughts with the kwangjin accusations is whether i should leave their songs off it.
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ff6man
12/22/18 10:00:15 AM
#203:


This was a fantastic show that ended with a cliffhanger. It and Clone High both suffer from over too soon syndrome.

Im soooo excited for this and I really really hope it reaches its goal.
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12/23/18 11:00:13 AM
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PumpkinCoach
12/24/18 1:21:48 PM
#206:


i don't worry too much about list order, but the cuts are killing me.

also, finally got around to the latest day6 album, and 'headache' is my fave. mentioning it now in case it gets cut.
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PumpkinCoach
12/25/18 1:20:26 AM
#207:


man, i probably shouldn't stay up for miyu's graduation.
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Solioxrz362
12/26/18 12:41:53 AM
#208:


And July by Heize and Dean is currently what I'm hooked on. What a killer beat.
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PumpkinCoach
12/26/18 1:56:29 PM
#209:


good song. 'shut up and groove', too.

so melodyday disbanded. expected, but a shame.

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UltraMana
12/27/18 1:00:41 PM
#210:


Wow, you guys really weren't kidding when second half is Final Fantasy.

Veronica dying was unexpected and sad, but I kind of laughed out loud when Serena cut off her hair with a dagger. I still need to finish FFIX...
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PumpkinCoach
12/27/18 3:33:40 PM
#211:


ah fuck it, i'm calling it:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCMoLL8mA8nx_J4UyWxBa6x5IH0ahc48d

100. Monsta X - Myself
99. Bol4 - Travel
98. BTS - I'm Fine
97. FT Island - Summer Night's Dream
96. SHINee - Good Evening
95. Mamamoo - Midnight Summer Dream
94. fromis_9 - Love Bomb
93. EXO - Gravity
92. Shaun - Way Back Home
91. BoA - U&I

90. GWSN - Shy Shy
89. EXID - I Love You
88. Heize - Jenga (feat. Gaeko)
87. Apink - I'm so sick
86. Jung Jinwoo - She's got everything
85. Gfriend - Flower Garden
84. EXO - Tempo
83. Nature - Allegro Cantabile
82. SF9 - Photograph
81. Jonghyun - Only One You Need

80. Minseo - Is Who
79. Baekhyun x Loco - Young
78. Monsta X - Shoot Out
77. Golden Child - Genie
76. DreamNote - Dream Note
75. Gfriend - Love Bug
74. Ateez - Treasure
73. WJSN - I-Yah
72. Loona/yyxy - love4eva (feat. Grimes)
71. BoA - Woman

70. Eyedi - Luv Highway
69. Oh My Girl - Twilight
68. Twice - What is Love?
67. The Boyz - Giddy Up
66. Pentagon - Off-Road
65. IN2IT - SnapShot
64. Chungha- Cherry Kisses
63. Yubin - Lady
62. NCT U - Boss
61. Fromm - Hold Me Like It's Forever (with car, the garden)

60. (G)I-DLE - Don't Text Me
59. Fanatics-Flavor - Milkshake
58. Twice - Dance the Night Away
57. Dreamcatcher - What
56. Sunmi - Heroine
55. SHINee- Undercover
54. Jeong Eun Ji - Being There
53. Hyo - Sober (feat. Ummet Ozcan)
52. Saturday - MMook JJi BBa
51. Infinite - Tell Me

50. Teen Top - Seoul Night
49. GWSN - Puzzle Moon
48. Loona - Stylish
47. Katie - Remember
46. fromis_9 - 22nd Century Girl
45. BTOB - Beautiful Pain
44. Nature - You'll Be Mine
43. Golden Child - Let Me
42. Dreamcatcher - Full Moon
41. (G)I-DLE - Latata

40. Lovelyz - That Day
39. Chungha - Love U
38. WJSN - Save Me, Save You
37. Gugudan - Not That Type
36. TRCNG - Wolf Baby
35. Day6 - Shoot Me
34. My9 Me - Hush
33. Stray Kids - My Pace
32. Loona - Hi High
31. Jeon Soyeon - Idle Song

30. Golden Child - Lady
29. iKON - Love Scenario
28. Loona/Olivia Hye - Egoist (feat. JinSoul)
27. (G)I-DLE - Hann
26. Gugudan - The Boots
25. SF9 - Now or Never
24. BTOB - The Feeling
23. Chungha - Roller Coaster
22. iKON - Killing Me
21. N.Flying - Hot Potato

20. Seventeen - Thanks
19. Momoland - Baam
18. Pentagon - Naughty Boy
17. NCT 127 - Simon Says
16. WJSN - Dream Come True
15. Twice - Yes or Yes
14. Sunmi - Siren
13. CLC - Black Dress
12. Dreamcatcher - You and I
11. April - The Blue Bird

10. UNB - Black Heart
9. Lovelyz - Bizarre
8. Golden Child - It's U
7. CLC - Distance
6. Stray Kids - District 9
5. fromis_9 - To Heart
4. April - Oh! My Mistake
3. ONF - Complete
2. Momoland - Bboom Bboom
1. Pentagon - Shine
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PumpkinCoach
12/27/18 10:17:36 PM
#213:


BTS's output didn't resonate with me as much this year, but i'm glad i got at least one in there.

agreed on e'dawn, since his parts were the highlights of several of my favourite pentagon songs, but their latest album was still good, and no sense getting hung up on all that. i think they've found their identity this year, and i look forward to what they do next. also, maybe a kino title track?

the drama around shaun's song really overshadowed the song itself, which is a shame.

there aren't caps or anything, but i try for a varied list where i can. a farcry from when these use to be top 20s with like 4 beast songs in the top 10.

also, some numbers:

number of artists represented: 65 (minus up to 3 if you want to combine NCTs or Loona projects)
by female artists: 60
by male artists: 40

number of b-sides: 21
most songs from one group: Golden Child at 4 songs (tied with Loona if you're combining those)
most songs from one company: Cube and SM both at 11 songs
rest of the big 3 -
JYP: 7 songs
YG: 3 songs (i guess a song from mixnine counts here)

songs from 2018 rookies: 22

noting the last one to say what a great year it's been for debuts.
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Solioxrz362
12/27/18 10:44:41 PM
#214:


I haven't even got 100 songs on my Korean playlist

I suppose of all the stuff I've heard that came out this year, these are the ones I liked quite a bit:
1. Eyedi - Red
2. Hwasa - Be Calm
3. Heize - Jenga
4. Hwasa & Loco - Don't
5. Heize - Wind + Sorry
6/7. Mamamoo - Better Than I Thought / AOA - HEAT
8. Eyedi - Caffeine
9. Mamamoo - Morning
10. Mamamoo - Starry Night
11. Mamamoo - Rainy Season
12. Eyedi - A Midsummer Night's Dream
13/14. Mamamoo - Rude Boy / Star Wind Flower Sun
15. Solar - Nada Sou Sou
16. Fromm feat. Car, the Garden - Hold Me Like It's Forever

Mamamoo released a lot of music this year. I think Mamamoo is really talented but they release a lot of stuff that is just good enough. Not a whole lot that really blows me away. It's a shame because Melting has like 5 tracks that are fantastic and another 2 or 3 that are also pretty good. Most of the stuff on Memory was pretty good too. They're capable of doing better.

I think I like listening to Hwasa more than I like watching her. And that's saying quite a bit, because she's incredibly attractive, but sometimes her stage antics get on my nerves. Either way, she's had a standout year for sure, and the two songs she did without her other members surpassed anything the group did.

Eyedi had solid releases all the way around this year, but Pumpkin's favorite was my least favorite and the only one that didn't make my playlist. Still not a bad song, just not great IMO.

Heize snuck on there - hadn't heard of her before I heard Jenga maybe a month ago (at most) and then I just heard the rest of her stuff a week ago. She's really good.

AOA's Bingle Bangle release was mostly not good, but HEAT was pretty fantastic! It's the lone standout track from the mini-album. Their vocals are definitely missing Choa a bit, but what really hurt them was the songwriting quality. The melodies were pretty boring, the lyrics were pretty worthless, and it seems like their writers had a thing for nonsense and rhyming with their hooks. Bingle Bangle, Super Duper, Ladi Dadi, DoDoDo... all on the same album. It's like they didn't even try to hide it!

It's been a year without Subin and Girl's Day, plus Bestie is definitively done and Dal Shabet may as well be (there's the whole situation where they claim that they'll still do stuff together but realistically that's not gonna happen). I guess we're expecting Subin to do something in 2019. I'm kinda afraid she's gonna release a new song under her alter ego Nikita (which is just... I like Subin but it's pretty weird). As long as it's good I guess?
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Solioxrz362
12/27/18 10:52:17 PM
#215:


Also bottom 3 songs I suppose for the hell of it:

1. Blackpink - Ddu-du Ddu-du
Idk, this song is garbage to me. I kinda cringe when I hear it. Have never made it all the way through the song. Seeing cutesy kpop girls try to say savage and hold up gun signs really got me. I pretty much despised the whole Blackpink mini album but of course this was the most notable song and kinda the only one I remember.

2. AOA - Parfait
They went full on cutesy with this song and I absolutely hated it. Don't know if I've even made it a minute into this song. It's not actively offensive I suppose but it's pretty close. Whoever wrote this needs to be kept off all future releases.

3. BTS - Idol
I did make it all the way through this one, and while I guess I admire their energy, it's just not actually a good song. It's noise to me.
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Solioxrz362
12/27/18 11:09:47 PM
#217:


I can't hate BTS tbh. They're just cool dudes living the dream. But on that note, I'm also not a big fan of most of their music. Idol was exceptionally weak to me. I think the only song I actively like by them is dimple, and I still have a big issue with the lyric "So I call you illegirl"
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PumpkinCoach
12/28/18 12:06:42 AM
#218:


'idol' ended up growing on me, too. it's a fun song.

agreed about the blackpink album. YG groups are generally better the further they are from the yolosweg that is their brand. been a while since i've listened to 'square up' but i think the most dire for me was the "i gotta know that you're for reealll' section in 'really'? that said the synth hook in 'ddu-du ddu-du' is so good that it ended up on the longlist anyway.

worst songs is tough. there's probably worse stuff i had no expectation for and promptly forgot and low budget stuff i ignored, but without thinking about it too hard:

5. Wanna One - Boomerang
anyone could have guessed that wanna one was going to be a low effort cash grab, but 'energetic' gave me hope, damn it.

4. S.I.S - Say Yes
they had a really good song last year, one where there voices weren't overproduced to the point where they all sound the same.

3. Weki Meki - La La La
i almost forgot this was this year. it's like their debut song, but i don't think it's even a guilty pleasure for anyone like that one was. they made good with 'crush' at least.

2. Stray Kids - N/S
i'm sorry stray kids, i hate this and skip it every time, but they looked like they were having fun in the video they filmed for it at least.

1. Winner - Everyday
see above about YG and yolosweg. fuck all the autotune, and this chorus. winner went trendy last year too, but still had some good songs. they were my favourite YG group at debut, because they were like a ballad group that accidentally debuted under YG, and took on just the right amount of the brand.
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PumpkinCoach
12/28/18 12:29:52 AM
#219:


oh wait, i blocked red velvet's 'power up' from memory. consider that an honourable mention. 'really bad boy', too.

man, i hope 2019 is better for red velvet.
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Solioxrz362
12/28/18 1:41:50 PM
#221:


Somehow I forgot to put Heize's First Sight on my list. Put it somewhere around Caffeine and Morning.

EDIT: Or actually higher. Listening to it now and it's pretty damn good.

EDIT 2: Also, I forgot to make a note that Spotify's version of Don't by Hwasa/Loco is lame because it doesn't have the ending where they're both going. It's just Hwasa over and over going "I don't care who you are don't make me cry." So much cooler when Loco is rapping behind her. Really feels like an ending rather than a fade-out that way.
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PumpkinCoach
12/28/18 2:04:18 PM
#222:


we have almost the same number of artists represented, so your list is plenty varied! some stuff i've never heard, some because i don't pay as much attention to the rock side. that voisper song is good, and i totally meant to give that a shout when i was doing that the last two weeks. also yesss, honey popcorn.

i was actually thinking that nio, the 'i don't like your girlfriend' appreciator, probably likes 'la la la' when i was listing it under worst song, so cool to see it there. several on my worst songs list there in fact, but it's cool when our tastes diverge.
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Solioxrz362
12/28/18 10:29:46 PM
#224:


My brother believes that k-pop idols are basically used for slave labor and their lives are controlled far too much. Thoughts?

Quote from him:
"These companies can basically just say 'Hey, wanna be rich? Sign here!' and the idols don't know any better so they sign on the dotted line and then their whole lives are controlled basically!"
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PumpkinCoach
12/28/18 11:25:06 PM
#225:


oh for sure. idols are under unreasonably long contracts and trainee debt a lot of the times, and it does prey on young people's dreams.

here's g.o, formerly of mblaq, talking about how rookies get scammed in particular:
http://www.asianjunkie.com/2018/04/12/g-o-ex-mblaq-discusses-how-entertainment-companies-scam-idols-especially-rookies/

i don't know if this ever popped up in your youtube recommendations, but this cuck philosophy video is good background:

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Solioxrz362
12/28/18 11:27:36 PM
#226:


I've always thought that for sure the idols have their personal lives controlled too much, but slave labor always seemed silly to me. They're worked pretty hard, but they signed a contract to work in that way for X amount of time.

I suppose I assumed the agencies usually act morally, which is not the case.
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Menji
12/29/18 3:35:10 PM
#228:


Making my way through Pumpkin's list and there are some goodies I've missed. The only notable song missing I can see is Lil' Touch. And skipping ahead, looks like our #1 and #2 are the same, so looking forward to the rest.

Nio, do you have yours in a playlist?
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PumpkinCoach
12/29/18 4:13:27 PM
#229:


yeah, #1 and #2 were pretty much locked for the entire year. they'd rank super high regardless, but being the breakout hits of 2 of my favourite groups (for momoland esp.) gave them an extra boost tbh.
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GenesisSagat
12/30/18 7:00:32 PM
#231:


I was so close~

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