Current Events > Are Anti Depressants/Anti Psychotic meds to blame for the vast majority of shoot

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Seems like most of these people are on SSRI's and other meds

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No the shooters are to blame.
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Yes it's the treatment. It's not the condition they're treating.

Really?
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No.

People in Canada, the UK, Australia, Belgium, Switzerland etc also abuse drugs and dont have mass shootings.

Problem is US Gun culture.

But US Gun Culture makes so much money nobody cares about the corpses piling up to change it

It's basically this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcpyfAz-KU" data-time="
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No.

People in Canada, the UK, Australia, Belgium, Switzerland etc also abuse drugs and dont have mass shootings.

Problem is US Gun culture.

But US Gun Culture makes so much money nobody cares about the corpses piling up to change it

It's basically this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcpyfAz-KU" data-time="

It's not that simple.

I'm Canadian. I have guns. Most people I know have guns. Granted we can't easily get the insane overkill guns Americans can but it's still far more complex.

Besides we basically taught guns to America. You look at history and America was useless with guns for a long time.
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the only way i'd blame the meds is if they decided to suddenly stop taking them. i take both and the mind does some scary shit after a few days without em.
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I think its the fact that people take anti depressants and dont talk to a psychiatrist or a professional to help them get to the root of what makes them depressed. Thinking that the pills will solve all of their problems probably isnt the best.

Closing mental asylums and all help for the mentally ill is to blame

My brother is a paranoid psychopath and he absolutely could go buy a gun tomorrow no problem
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Burgess posted...

No the shooters are to blame.

that's fair

CanuckCowboy posted...

Yes it's the treatment. It's not the condition they're treating.

Really?

do you have any idea how wide of a net is used when prescribing this stuff? you have people taking the exact same med when one is manic depressive and one just wants to quit smoking

shame on you for your weird post

UnfairRepresent posted...

No.

People in Canada, the UK, Australia, Belgium, Switzerland etc also abuse drugs and dont have mass shootings.

Problem is US Gun culture.

But US Gun Culture makes so much money nobody cares about the corpses piling up to change it

It's basically this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcpyfAz-KU" data-time="

I can't get the video to load I will have to watch it later

CanuckCowboy posted...

I'm Canadian. I have guns. Most people I know have guns. Granted we can't easily get the insane overkill guns Americans can but it's still far more complex.

Besides we basically taught guns to America. You look at history and America was useless with guns for a long time.

I didn't say gun ownership I said gun culture.
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Mass shooters tend of have mental illness and/or severe depression

People with severe depression are more likely to be on antidepressants

Correlation but not causality
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Mass shooters tend of have mental illness and/or severe depression

People with severe depression are more likely to be on antidepressants

Correlation but not causality

@Coffeebeanz Do you know if they are working on a new line to replace SSRI's like they did to MAOI's? I find it interesting how for example Prozac lost it's patent over 15 years ago yet it still highly prescribed even without the "Big Pharm" pushing it.

Well they keep me from committing crime, so theres your answer.
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No.
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It's really hard to say - both "they're causing it" and "the conditions they're treating are causing it" are very plausible explanations.
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No one on anti-psychotics is going to have the energy to carry out a mass shooting. I've been on some for years and they're pretty much fatigue pills.

NeverOffended posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Mass shooters tend of have mental illness and/or severe depression

People with severe depression are more likely to be on antidepressants

Correlation but not causality

@Coffeebeanz Do you know if they are working on a new line to replace SSRI's like they did to MAOI's? I find it interesting how for example Prozac lost it's patent over 15 years ago yet it still highly prescribed even without the "Big Pharm" pushing it.

SNRIs are the new thing, because they also treat neuropathy.
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I've been on multiple different kinds and never felt any different whatsoever. Not worse, not better, just the same. So I quit because I felt like they were basically just taking my money. At the end of the day the person responsible for change is yourself. If you shoot people, that's your fault. No one else, no medicine. Just you. And some people are just scumbags, and that's basically all it boils down to
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WaterLink posted...

I've been on multiple different kinds and never felt any different whatsoever. Not worse, not better, just the same. So I quit because I felt like they were basically just taking my money. At the end of the day the person responsible for change is yourself. If you shoot people, that's your fault. No one else, no medicine. Just you. And some people are just scumbags, and that's basically all it boils down to

You can make people frankly psychotic with meds like Adderall.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

WaterLink posted...

I've been on multiple different kinds and never felt any different whatsoever. Not worse, not better, just the same. So I quit because I felt like they were basically just taking my money. At the end of the day the person responsible for change is yourself. If you shoot people, that's your fault. No one else, no medicine. Just you. And some people are just scumbags, and that's basically all it boils down to

You can make people frankly psychotic with meds like Adderall.

Adderall isnt an SSRI, so idk why that's relevant.
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Burgess posted...

No the shooters are to blame.

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It's misogyny and racism. Most school shootings lately have had the shooter target a girl who turned them down and/ or the student had a history of racism against other students.

It's not mental illnesses, not even that they're untreated in America considering there weren't mass shootings in the 17th through early 20th century. Were people gunned down, sure, but that was accompanying some other set of crimes. Killing everyone at a bank? That's a mass shooting but only to prevent witnesses as they rob it. The end goal was not simply motivated by wanting to kill anyone they can.
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This is one of the stupidest and harmful conspiracy theories regarding mass shootings.
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gunplagirl posted...

It's misogyny and racism. Most school shootings lately have had the shooter target a girl who turned them down and/ or the student had a history of racism against other students.

It's not mental illnesses, not even that they're untreated in America considering there weren't mass shootings in the 17th through early 20th century. Were people gunned down, sure, but that was accompanying some other set of crimes. Killing everyone at a bank? That's a mass shooting but only to prevent witnesses as they rob it. The end goal was not simply motivated by wanting to kill anyone they can.

interesting theory

COVxy posted...

This is one of the stupidest and harmful conspiracy theories regarding mass shootings.

I don't know if I believe it either but I've seen you say a lot of dumb and dismissive shit here, this might be one of those broken clock cases

alimajor posted...

I think its the fact that people take anti depressants and dont talk to a psychiatrist or a professional to help them get to the root of what makes them depressed. Thinking that the pills will solve all of their problems probably isnt the best.

The root of what makes them depressed is likely a chemical imbalance and isn't something to be solved but managed.

They're on those meds because they have mental problems, and those problems are to blame, not the meds treating them lol

CanuckCowboy posted...

It's not that simple.

I'm Canadian. I have guns. Most people I know have guns. Granted we can't easily get the insane overkill guns Americans can but it's still far more complex.

Besides we basically taught guns to America. You look at history and America was useless with guns for a long time.

Gun culture doesn't mean the ability to get guns, it means the role they take in culture. Here in Canada, they are not looked at the same as they are in the US. The fact that most guns are readily available here actually proves that point further. That doesn't mean, however, that there is no point in regulating guns, just that it is going to take a multi-pronged approach to stopping gun violence in the US, an approach that needs to be embraced wholeheartedly.

NeverOffended posted...

I don't know if I believe it either but I've seen you say a lot of dumb and dismissive shit here, this might be one of those broken clock cases

I'm dismissive of things not grounded in empiricism.
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