Board 8 > A Dance With Dragons Mafia-Topic 11:Not All Men Were Meant To Dance With Dragons

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Obellisk posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Mzero is definitely scum here. However i don't think his whole approach to this day was ever meant to be a distraction from IGCD. I believe they can be completely separate events.

I don't know wtf MZero was doing or who would let him make a claim that bad.

Oh

Ok
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masterplum posted...

His actions just arent consistent for town. He scans sheep as vanilla N1, then not only does he not defend sheep, he continues attacking him so much that he even implies he has no information which makes no sense.

Then he completely unprovoked claims with no real info D3

And as town, why would you out yourself if not to damn someone? you are a role cop, you can still help town night 3. If you reveal you were roleblocked then you've confirmed for scum that they were right to roleblock you and now you might as well be dead anyway. Its just not a smart way to play TOWN.
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Knowing that Town so far has a Jailkeeper / Poison Doctor, so clearly we don't have a concrete Roleblocker, wouldn't a Town Power wonder if he's outing a Town Roleblocker by claiming when he has no info to actually help anything?

No, it's all just wrong.

MZero is a better TOWN player than this.

I will Vote for MZero but not right now. I will not risk having an early hammer, yes i think Viserion would come in and kill its own just for the trollz.
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Has he really stayed to defend himself or just given up
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Obellisk posted...

Knowing that Town so far has a Jailkeeper / Poison Doctor, so clearly we don't have a concrete Roleblocker, wouldn't a Town Power wonder if he's outing a Town Roleblocker by claiming when he has no info to actually help anything?

No, it's all just wrong.

MZero is a better TOWN player than this.

I will Vote for MZero but not right now. I will not risk having an early hammer, yes i think Viserion would come in and kill its own just for the trollz.

Good plan
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Obellisk posted...

Knowing that Town so far has a Jailkeeper / Poison Doctor, so clearly we don't have a concrete Roleblocker, wouldn't a Town Power wonder if he's outing a Town Roleblocker by claiming when he has no info to actually help anything?

No, it's all just wrong.

MZero is a better TOWN player than this.

I will Vote for MZero but not right now. I will not risk having an early hammer, yes i think Viserion would come in and kill its own just for the trollz.

Stifling discussion is always worth it.
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Meow1000 posted...

Stifling discussion is always worth it.

i don't follow.
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Obellisk posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Stifling discussion is always worth it.

i don't follow.

Forcing all discussion around Mzero and the other scum can hide behind a policy lynch or gain cred from the lynch is always worthwhile becuase we are focused on lynching an obvious scummy situation.

masterplum posted...

His actions just arent consistent for town. He scans sheep as vanilla N1, then not only does he not defend sheep, he continues attacking him so much that he even implies he has no information which makes no sense

I never once attacked Sheep this entire game you goober
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And I said "I don't think sheep is scum" like 5 times yesterday
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There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight
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MZero11 posted...

masterplum posted...

His actions just arent consistent for town. He scans sheep as vanilla N1, then not only does he not defend sheep, he continues attacking him so much that he even implies he has no information which makes no sense

I never once attacked Sheep this entire game you goober

You said in your post you asked sheep for his real claim.

I didnt go back to day 2 to look, Im going off of what you said. You gave concrete evidence that you were as ill informed as the rest of us
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MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

So you are saying that Dowolf is opening himself up to every potential targeting role in the game (doc/bg/tracker etc) because he claimed himself to be targetable.

Why would Dowolf do this
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MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

Well, this is a 50/50. Scum does not have to kill you as you are not exactly trusted by town but your flip and consequential days of checks do have the effect of more information for town.

SO, I do agree with Mzero we should 100% give him the night to get a "check" back and if he lives through the night we evaluate then and get a free check if he flips town and if he flips scum at that point we are still to the good, and if scum kills him during the night becuase they are forced to it helps us as well and lets us scum hunt as well.

It is the better play I think to let the night resolve it and let him get another check if town.

Jesus christ

I asked Sheep for his real claim because if he changed it I would have destroyed him

Why is this so hard to understand

It was a no risk high reward play, or at least I thought it was no risk because I didn't know you all were so block headed

Hell I even said in that post "A lot of people want your head" or something. Never said I did
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Ahh i see what you are saying.

Well we've certainly been on two points of interest today.

IGCD and his spectacular fabuolous meltdown blowout blowup

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MZero and Dowolf and the Curse of the Non-Information.
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MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

And wait. So you think scum has 2 untargetables then with dowolf being untargetable and scare being untargetable?

This is just scum flailing at this point. There is no way town mzero buys this
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masterplum posted...

MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

And wait. So you think scum has 2 untargetables then with dowolf being untargetable and scare being untargetable?

This is just scum flailing at this point. There is no way town mzero buys this

I do think his last post he had myself and dowolf as scum,

@MZero11 what is your current read on scare?

masterplum posted...

MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

So you are saying that Dowolf is opening himself up to every potential targeting role in the game (doc/bg/tracker etc) because he claimed himself to be targetable.

Why would Dowolf do this

He can't claim untargetable cause of Scare

Also he might just be unscannable
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masterplum posted...

MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

And wait. So you think scum has 2 untargetables then with dowolf being untargetable and scare being untargetable?

This is just scum flailing at this point. There is no way town mzero buys this

Well gee it's almost like I've been calling Scare town since forever
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MZero11 posted...

masterplum posted...

MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

And wait. So you think scum has 2 untargetables then with dowolf being untargetable and scare being untargetable?

This is just scum flailing at this point. There is no way town mzero buys this

Well gee it's almost like I've been calling Scare town since forever

This is what I thought, just wanted an update to make sure.

Personally I'd say it's more likely scum had a backup roleblocking role like Jack than an untargetable and a bulletproof.

I don't really get the logical jump straight to untargetable.
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So, the claim that MZero is making can actually be validated during the night phase if we have another informational role.

also if we go into the night with that pseudo plan Mzero will either get a check or die. It is the right play to look elsewhere and see if either Mzero dies or Dowolf is shown to be a liar.

MZero11 posted...

masterplum posted...

MZero11 posted...

There are no blockers, I was blocked because dowolf is untargetable

There's no point in lynching me cause Scum has to kill me tonight

So you are saying that Dowolf is opening himself up to every potential targeting role in the game (doc/bg/tracker etc) because he claimed himself to be targetable.

Why would Dowolf do this

He can't claim untargetable cause of Scare

Also he might just be unscannable

Red was an unscannable specifically in that Chris game I believe.
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Neablis posted...

So, the claim that MZero is making can actually be validated during the night phase if we have another informational role.

We are too far into this game to play that out.

We are not leaving MZero alive with the hopes we have another a scanner who can confirm or damn him.

If we did do that though, who do you propose we lynch in his stead?
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Heres where we are at:

Claims:
MZero: Role Cop (Scanned Sheep Night 1 Vanilla / Scanned Dowolf Night 2 [Blocked])
Scare: Commuter (Claimed Commuted Night 1, Commuters are cannot commute two nights in a row)
IGCD: Untargetable by Tracker/Watcher (however has no actions to use at night until he randomly earns one and he doesn't know when that'll be or what they will be)

At least one of these is a lie, I personall believe At least TWO of these is a lie.

I would like everyone to sound off on the three claims based on what they know to exist in the game right now.
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I think Scare is being truthful

IGCD is probably lying. I haven't read him scum this game but I thought his refusal to answer questions earlier was damning. Also Ninja with no power sounds silly
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MZero why do you jump to Dowolf must be untargetable? Why is that the only answer?
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Well I think the chances of another blocker in the game are low, and the chances said blocker blocked me are even lower. Also Scare's claim that anyone who targets him gets the roleblocked message makes me think that's how untargetable would work in this game. Plus I think dowolf is scum regardless

Obviously it's not the only possibility but it makes the most sense to me
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Why did you think Sheep was gonna change his claim at all?
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MZero11 posted...

Well I think the chances of another blocker in the game are low, and the chances said blocker blocked me are even lower. Also Scare's claim that anyone who targets him gets the roleblocked message makes me think that's how untargetable would work in this game. Plus I think dowolf is scum regardless

Obviously it's not the only possibility but it makes the most sense to me

why is dowolf scum regardless again?
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OK, lets wipe my brain clean of all preconceived reads.

MZero claims a roleblocked action on Dowolf and with the plausibility of another roleblocker existing being low assumes that Dowolf is untargetable.

Scare claims to be Commuter which would send a roleblocked result to anyone who targets him the night he commutes.

IF we are to believe that BOTH Mzero and Scare are Town and telling the truth about their roles, is it possible we have a Redirector in our midst?
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And frankly MZero, the fact that you are so CERTAIN that Dowolf is scum by your results and have not even remotely considered that you got a Scare result instead further worries me.
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I think we lack enough information to call at least two scum based solely on role meta

Also it's crazy busy for a Friday morning I can barely get a post in right now
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Obellisk posted...

And frankly MZero, the fact that you are so CERTAIN that Dowolf is scum by your results and have not even remotely considered that you got a Scare result instead further worries me.

This had crossed my mind but I had already forgotten it oh
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I think Mzeros sheep actions are more damning than his Dowolf actions.

Neither are good, but I think the sheep stuff is completely him contradicting himself
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I think MZero's sheep contradictions is bad but i also thinkg that IGCD's contradictions are equally as bad.

I think that MZero and Scare are essentially linked right now. Either because of a Redirect (does not speak to either of their allignment because Redirector can be either town or scum) OR because they are both lying scum and Scare's "They'd get a roleblock" is just a way for Mzero to explain away "I got a roleblocked".

Where as IGCD has nothing to grab onto that would possibly lead anyone to think he's town based on actions, claims, etc.

I want to Lynch MZero. But now i'm twisting myself in a way where I think we stay the course on IGCD and see how things play out for Night 3.

Thoughts from the gallery?
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I just wish we had a firm "This guy is scum, and here is the unimpeachable evidence"
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htaeD posted...

Why did you think Sheep was gonna change his claim at all?

I didn't! There was a small chance he might, so I figured why not

Why is this so hard to grasp. It was a trap with a low success rate but no downside so I just threw it out there
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Obellisk posted...

And frankly MZero, the fact that you are so CERTAIN that Dowolf is scum by your results and have not even remotely considered that you got a Scare result instead further worries me.

Hey now I brought up redirector yesterday and you told me there was no reason to believe one existed >_> so it's kind of ironic that you're brining it up now
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MZero11 posted...

Why is this so hard to grasp. It was a trap with a low success rate but no downside so I just threw it out there

You didn't see outting yourself on Day 3 as Town Power when there is clearly no other "Town Power" out there thus rendering yourself the next night kill with dead Protection a downside?
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Oh sorry, That was about Sheep, prior to your claim.

But still, apply what i said to the Dowolf thing.
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MZero11 posted...

Hey now I brought up redirector yesterday and you told me there was no reason to believe one existed >_> so it's kind of ironic that you're brining it up now

Obellisk posted...

we literally have no evidence pointing in a bus driver or redirector direction.

Look at that, I guess after more thought i changed my mind.

And you did say its possible we have a bus driver / redirector.
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masterplum posted...

I think Mzeros sheep actions are more damning than his Dowolf actions.

Neither are good, but I think the sheep stuff is completely him contradicting himself

There is no contradiction

I knew he was vanilla
If he claims anything else destory him

In fact, we having info is the only reason why I would ask him to claim again
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Obellisk posted...

Oh sorry, That was about Sheep, prior to your claim.

But still, apply what i said to the Dowolf thing.

It was a bad play, i admitted that from the beginning
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Obellisk posted...

MZero11 posted...

Hey now I brought up redirector yesterday and you told me there was no reason to believe one existed >_> so it's kind of ironic that you're brining it up now

Obellisk posted...

we literally have no evidence pointing in a bus driver or redirector direction.

Look at that, I guess after more thought i changed my mind.

And you did say its possible we have a bus driver / redirector.

Honestly I just didn't even think about it. But I still think it's more likely dowolf is unscannable of some kind
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MZero11 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Oh sorry, That was about Sheep, prior to your claim.

But still, apply what i said to the Dowolf thing.

It was a bad play, i admitted that from the beginning

So you were careful about tiptoeing around Sheep so not to blow your load

But then you were foolish and made a bad play the following day and blew your load on being roleblocked.
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Obellisk posted...

MZero11 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Oh sorry, That was about Sheep, prior to your claim.

But still, apply what i said to the Dowolf thing.

It was a bad play, i admitted that from the beginning

So you were careful about tiptoeing around Sheep so not to blow your load

But then you were foolish and made a bad play the following day and blew your load on being roleblocked.

It's really nothing new for me. I'm pretty bad at holding info and blow my load early all the time
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Side Note: I do not like that this day has fizzled to a crawl. Really the whole day has been like this. Blade was right on his stifling conversation post.
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I do not believe it is to late in the game for us to decide on Mzero, how many people do we have that is in the lynch pool currently by your standards (general game), I probably have two people today I have looked into lynching extensively. I made some posts on blade that was ignored possibly because I did not make a hard conclusion, that is neither here or there.

MZero is difficult to believe fully because of the way he played the day out, can I see a rolecop or any information role leveraging it like they did against sheep? I think I could see someone making that play, not pushing against the lynch is kind of meh, but he is right he has no way of knowing if it is scum or town vanilla I suppose.

Today no doubt about it and no offense to mzero but he screwed up everything for himself if he is town.

I still think confirming what he says about dowolf not being able to be targeted is interesting, dowolf claims thats not part of his role, but again why would we have someone block mzero Or redirect people from dowolf to scare in that regard?

It might be anti town but would scare could confirm if he used his power I guess so we can figure out if it is even possible that he was moved to him as well.

If I had to say a role I did not believe, it would be IGCD ninja claim, MZero could be teling the truth about being a rolecop as well though even as scum...