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joestarrr
10/08/18 6:44:09 PM
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and theyre BUCK WILD fighting the ventilator and practically coughing their goddamn tube out while maxed out on propofol

nice job mc dumbass but he was never comatose (I would know, I was with him 12 hours) and he has been consistently failing his SBT regardless of sedation being present


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Duncanwii
10/08/18 6:50:36 PM
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GucciGang
10/08/18 6:52:50 PM
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rip manfan prn gets d/c'd
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joestarrr
10/08/18 6:54:46 PM
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku
10/08/18 6:55:46 PM
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Reminds of ICU Sedation protocol I set up for my prior hospital. We emphasized bolus dosing of fentanyl before transitioning to drips. Same for midazolam, hydromorphone, etc if those were used.
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:00:17 PM
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
Reminds of ICU Sedation protocol I set up for my prior hospital. We emphasized bolus dosing of fentanyl before transitioning to drips. Same for midazolam, hydromorphone, etc if those were used.


He had both a PRN and a drip but one of the ICU docs d/cd it. Gave him 100 and titrated the gtt up a previous shift but he was still fighting then boom everything except propofol was gone. No morphine or hydromorphone either.
thankfully I got 50 q1h prn ordered by another physician cuz I asked (and explained the whole ordeal) but Im gonna be buttmad if I come in tonight and its gone again lol

I mean I fucking hate having to keep my patients super zonked but he was STILL following commands and opening his eyes. Dunno how that translates to comatose but
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EliteLevel
10/08/18 7:01:38 PM
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The fuck?

Arent you supposed to be a nurse? Does anybody understand any of that?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/08/18 7:02:42 PM
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I want to understand what you're talking about but I'm failing :/
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku
10/08/18 7:04:18 PM
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joestarrr posted...
Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
Reminds of ICU Sedation protocol I set up for my prior hospital. We emphasized bolus dosing of fentanyl before transitioning to drips. Same for midazolam, hydromorphone, etc if those were used.


He had both a PRN and a drip but one of the ICU docs d/cd it. Gave him 100 and titrated the gtt up a previous shift but he was still fighting then boom everything except propofol was gone. No morphine or hydromorphone either.
thankfully I got 50 q1h prn ordered by another physician cuz I asked (and explained the whole ordeal) but Im gonna be buttmad if I come in tonight and its gone again lol

I mean I fucking hate having to keep my patients super zonked but he was STILL following commands and opening his eyes. Dunno how that translates to comatose but

Was this an alcohol withdrawal patient? Any thoughts about a trial of Precedex or lorazepam drip?
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:11:17 PM
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
joestarrr posted...
Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
Reminds of ICU Sedation protocol I set up for my prior hospital. We emphasized bolus dosing of fentanyl before transitioning to drips. Same for midazolam, hydromorphone, etc if those were used.


He had both a PRN and a drip but one of the ICU docs d/cd it. Gave him 100 and titrated the gtt up a previous shift but he was still fighting then boom everything except propofol was gone. No morphine or hydromorphone either.
thankfully I got 50 q1h prn ordered by another physician cuz I asked (and explained the whole ordeal) but Im gonna be buttmad if I come in tonight and its gone again lol

I mean I fucking hate having to keep my patients super zonked but he was STILL following commands and opening his eyes. Dunno how that translates to comatose but

Was this an alcohol withdrawal patient? Any thoughts about a trial of Precedex or lorazepam drip?


Nope no alcohol withdrawal. Might suggest precedex but a lot of the docs hate ordering ativan. Dont think Ive ever seen it in drip form.
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:11:40 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I want to understand what you're talking about but I'm failing :/


Just sedation stuffs. My patient was miserable tbh :/
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Dark_SilverX
10/08/18 7:12:09 PM
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GucciGang posted...
rip manfan prn gets d/c'd

shot up to 103 painted easter eggs
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haloiscoolisbak
10/08/18 7:13:20 PM
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As a nurse this is lame

Medical talk like prn is so wanky I'd never use it outside of work
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nicklebro
10/08/18 7:13:52 PM
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They can cancel your porn? Fucking monsters!
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:13:59 PM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
As a nurse this is lame

Medical talk like prn is so wanky I'd never use it outside of work


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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/08/18 7:14:40 PM
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joestarrr posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I want to understand what you're talking about but I'm failing :/


Just sedation stuffs. My patient was miserable tbh :/


What's he in for?
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku
10/08/18 7:15:49 PM
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joestarrr posted...
Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
joestarrr posted...
Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
Reminds of ICU Sedation protocol I set up for my prior hospital. We emphasized bolus dosing of fentanyl before transitioning to drips. Same for midazolam, hydromorphone, etc if those were used.


He had both a PRN and a drip but one of the ICU docs d/cd it. Gave him 100 and titrated the gtt up a previous shift but he was still fighting then boom everything except propofol was gone. No morphine or hydromorphone either.
thankfully I got 50 q1h prn ordered by another physician cuz I asked (and explained the whole ordeal) but Im gonna be buttmad if I come in tonight and its gone again lol

I mean I fucking hate having to keep my patients super zonked but he was STILL following commands and opening his eyes. Dunno how that translates to comatose but

Was this an alcohol withdrawal patient? Any thoughts about a trial of Precedex or lorazepam drip?


Nope no alcohol withdrawal. Might suggest precedex but a lot of the docs hate ordering ativan. Dont think Ive ever seen it in drip form.

You've never seen an Ativan drip? That's interesting.

Precedex is good because it's probably the one option that closely simulates natural sleep compared to something like propofol. It also has some inherent analgesic properties. Nurses like to use propofol because it has that quick on/off effect - just don't run it too high or you might get PRIS.
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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:18:17 PM
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tfw the Family Medicine intern orders propofol for the patient with pancreatitis.
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Alpha218
10/08/18 7:19:29 PM
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Who here can actually understand what you're saying besides like 1 or 2 other people on this board lol

No offense I'm not usually the guy who calls out blogfaqs
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EliteLevel
10/08/18 7:20:39 PM
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Goats posted...
EliteLevel posted...
The fuck?

Arent you supposed to be a nurse? Does anybody understand any of that?


Essentially she was looking after someone on a ventilator and someone thought it was a good idea to disconnect his sedation despite the nurse on call saying it was a pretty shit idea.

He then had a bad reaction and the nurse was vindicated that it was a shit idea. At least that's what I got from it. I don't understand half the stuff she's saying rn either, honestly snubbul


So shes as useless as a nurse as she is on CE?
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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:20:54 PM
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The patient's sedation and analgesia were discontinued despite the fact that they clearly needed both, then the intubated patient goes apeshit like any sane person would if they woke up with a tube shoved in their throat.
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Genocet_10-325
10/08/18 7:21:27 PM
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Fentanyl is some scary shit dawg
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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:22:07 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Fentanyl is some scary shit dawg


Try being consciously intubated.
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:24:17 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
The patient's sedation and analgesia were discontinued despite the fact that they clearly needed both, then the intubated patient goes apeshit like any sane person would if they woke up with a tube shoved in their throat.


Yuuuup. A tale as old as time in the ICU.

Coffeebeanz posted...
tfw the Family Medicine intern orders propofol for the patient with pancreatitis.


LMAO OH GOD
one of ours asked if the lipids in propofol would be enough for nutritional needs
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:25:55 PM
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
joestarrr posted...
Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
joestarrr posted...
Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
Reminds of ICU Sedation protocol I set up for my prior hospital. We emphasized bolus dosing of fentanyl before transitioning to drips. Same for midazolam, hydromorphone, etc if those were used.


He had both a PRN and a drip but one of the ICU docs d/cd it. Gave him 100 and titrated the gtt up a previous shift but he was still fighting then boom everything except propofol was gone. No morphine or hydromorphone either.
thankfully I got 50 q1h prn ordered by another physician cuz I asked (and explained the whole ordeal) but Im gonna be buttmad if I come in tonight and its gone again lol

I mean I fucking hate having to keep my patients super zonked but he was STILL following commands and opening his eyes. Dunno how that translates to comatose but

Was this an alcohol withdrawal patient? Any thoughts about a trial of Precedex or lorazepam drip?


Nope no alcohol withdrawal. Might suggest precedex but a lot of the docs hate ordering ativan. Dont think Ive ever seen it in drip form.

You've never seen an Ativan drip? That's interesting.

Precedex is good because it's probably the one option that closely simulates natural sleep compared to something like propofol. It also has some inherent analgesic properties. Nurses like to use propofol because it has that quick on/off effect - just don't run it too high or you might get PRIS.


Oh I definitely prefer precedex, especially because it doesnt effect respiratory status and can be used in the absence of a ventilator.
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treewojima
10/08/18 7:26:05 PM
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joestarrr posted...
one of ours asked if the lipids in propofol would be enough for nutritional needs


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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:27:54 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
Goats posted...
EliteLevel posted...
The fuck?

Arent you supposed to be a nurse? Does anybody understand any of that?


Essentially she was looking after someone on a ventilator and someone thought it was a good idea to disconnect his sedation despite the nurse on call saying it was a pretty shit idea.

He then had a bad reaction and the nurse was vindicated that it was a shit idea. At least that's what I got from it. I don't understand half the stuff she's saying rn either, honestly snubbul


So shes as useless as a nurse as she is on CE?


How the fuck does appropriately assessing my patients need for additional sedation make me useless?
Like maybe you shouldnt comment if you dont know anything about the subject.
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Reis
10/08/18 7:28:27 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Who here can actually understand what you're saying besides like 1 or 2 other people on this board lol

There's like around 20ish people I can think of off the top of my head that can
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inloveanddeath0
10/08/18 7:29:13 PM
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You're ultra defensive
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:29:56 PM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
You're ultra defensive

Maybe if people didnt constantly attack me I wouldnt be?
Food for thought.
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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:30:11 PM
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joestarrr posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
The patient's sedation and analgesia were discontinued despite the fact that they clearly needed both, then the intubated patient goes apeshit like any sane person would if they woke up with a tube shoved in their throat.


Yuuuup. A tale as old as time in the ICU.

Coffeebeanz posted...
tfw the Family Medicine intern orders propofol for the patient with pancreatitis.


LMAO OH GOD
one of ours asked if the lipids in propofol would be enough for nutritional needs


Oh, Family Medicine. It's so cute when they're on inpatient rotations.

The hospitalist I replaced was Family Medicine and the entire floor staff keeps saying "wow you actually know how to treat that?"
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EliteLevel
10/08/18 7:31:33 PM
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joestarrr posted...
EliteLevel posted...
Goats posted...
EliteLevel posted...
The fuck?

Arent you supposed to be a nurse? Does anybody understand any of that?


Essentially she was looking after someone on a ventilator and someone thought it was a good idea to disconnect his sedation despite the nurse on call saying it was a pretty shit idea.

He then had a bad reaction and the nurse was vindicated that it was a shit idea. At least that's what I got from it. I don't understand half the stuff she's saying rn either, honestly snubbul


So shes as useless as a nurse as she is on CE?


How the fuck does appropriately assessing my patients need for additional sedation make me useless?
Like maybe you shouldnt comment if you dont know anything about the subject.


Of course I dont know the bollocks you posted. Thats why I asked. Goats seemed to imply you made a shit decision hence my comment. If Ive misunderstood what he wrote then you have my sincerest apologies and Ill punch myself in the knackers for being so stupid.
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:32:13 PM
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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:32:24 PM
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Sounds like SOMEone's a fecal encephalopath.
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snowman9267
10/08/18 7:32:31 PM
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LMAO @ letting some non intensivist manage your sedation orders
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:32:51 PM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
joestarrr posted...
inloveanddeath0 posted...
You're ultra defensive

Maybe if people didnt constantly attack me I wouldnt be?
Food for thought.


Calm down. It's a dying online message board. No need to get worked up.


Ok butterfly
Why dont you post on your alt where you attack me for having boobs
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Devil_Katt_II
10/08/18 7:33:04 PM
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his p*rn got d/c'd? no wonder he's cranky
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joestarrr
10/08/18 7:34:59 PM
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snowman9267 posted...
LMAO @ letting some non intensivist manage your sedation orders


It was an intensivist tho
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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:35:10 PM
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snowman9267 posted...
LMAO @ letting some non intensivist manage your sedation orders


ICU Usefulness Chart:

Intensivist >>> Pulmonologist > Nephrologist > Internist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barney Rubble >>>>>>>>>>>>> Family Medicine >>>>>>>>>>> Psychiatry >>>>>>>>>>>> Orthopod
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EliteLevel
10/08/18 7:36:39 PM
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7Goats posted...
I spent a lot of time in hospital over the past three years so I picked up Nurse as an official language through osmosis lol. I was in no way placing any of the blame on joe zangoose


Ok then.
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BlameAnesthesia
10/08/18 7:42:39 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Who here can actually understand what you're saying besides like 1 or 2 other people on this board lol

No offense I'm not usually the guy who calls out blogfaqs


There are at least 6-8 residents and/or attending physicians who post here. Include the nurses and pharmacists and usually medical topics here do just fine. Sorry you feel left out

Coffeebeanz posted...
> Orthopod


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rTsvb2ef5k" data-time="

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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:46:45 PM
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Lost it at "asystole"
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Alpha218
10/08/18 7:50:10 PM
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I only knew of a few, no need to be so hostile over nothing. Maybe I got the number wrong (because most of them don't post that often here because they're actually busy professionals) but that doesn't change that most people here just won't get what she's talking about (to the point where people are trying to come up with reasons for why she's bad at her job)

I mean I got a physics degree but was interested in chem at one point so if i'd gone down that path in school I'd probably have a better idea of what she's talking about
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Reis
10/08/18 7:55:29 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
to the point where people are trying to come up with reasons for why she's bad at her job

people would do this regardless because CE is full of bitter people

you need only look at the amount of times Coffeebeanz gets accused of being a fake doctor to see that, let alone that topic that tote_all made a while back that got derailed because dumbasses thought that everyone who comes to the ER is doing so for an actual legitimate emergency
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Coffeebeanz
10/08/18 7:56:34 PM
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Surgeon: Hey (first name), we need to consult you for medical management.

Me: Ok, Jim.

Surgeon: It's Dr. (Last name)
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snowman9267
10/08/18 8:01:22 PM
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Also to actually respond, you have to wean sedation and give them a chance to fail otherwise they'll never get extubated. Worst case they fail a few times and get a trach, then go to an LTACH. Easy
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