Poll of the Day > Do you have different standards for males and females?

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Seems unless. Especially since they made Automatic cars. Why not take advantage of the advanced Technology. Plus, it one less thing to distract me on the road. I also don't think you always need to know all the stuff about the car that was mentioned in the quoted part, as well. But maybe others think it's important to know.

Automatics aren't psychic, they don't change gears on what you can see, they adjust based on what they are, thus the output is pretty crappy.

In bad conditions it is easy to unsettle a car and with an automatic you lack the means to disconnect the drive from the wheels so you'll have an ungodly time trying to minimise load on your tyres.

Then they're more expensive to buy and repair, and they're weaker to boot.

Being weaker is fine. I just use it to get to places when I need to get there. But I would honestly drive a manual horribly. I'm use to Auto, and would start to forget to change gears when I needed to. A lot. Which I believe is not good for the car. Which would up my repair cost quite a bit. Auto a re probably more expensive to buy and repair, but that comes with other benefits like most people being able to drive it in case of an emergency like stated in the other post.
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Aculo posted...

hmmm, i dunno, story is changing. not adding up here, ok?

Nothing has changed about my wife violently dying in the car, seated next to me you human scumbag.
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LinkPizza posted...

I would honestly drive a manual horribly.

Git gud, nub.

LinkPizza posted...

I'm use to Auto, and would start to forget to change gears when I needed to. A lot. Which I believe is not good for the car.

Cars have rev limiters for a reason and cars prefer to be revving in their torque range, it's a non-issue.

LinkPizza posted...

Auto a re probably more expensive to buy and repair, but that comes with other benefits like most people being able to drive it in case of an emergency like stated in the other post.

What happened to "I don't need things for unlikely scenarios!"?
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LinkPizza posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Seems unless. Especially since they made Automatic cars. Why not take advantage of the advanced Technology. Plus, it one less thing to distract me on the road. I also don't think you always need to know all the stuff about the car that was mentioned in the quoted part, as well. But maybe others think it's important to know.

Automatics aren't psychic, they don't change gears on what you can see, they adjust based on what they are, thus the output is pretty crappy.

In bad conditions it is easy to unsettle a car and with an automatic you lack the means to disconnect the drive from the wheels so you'll have an ungodly time trying to minimise load on your tyres.

Then they're more expensive to buy and repair, and they're weaker to boot.

Being weaker is fine. I just use it to get to places when I need to get there. But I would honestly drive a manual horribly. I'm use to Auto, and would start to forget to change gears when I needed to. A lot. Which I believe is not good for the car. Which would up my repair cost quite a bit. Auto a re probably more expensive to buy and repair, but that comes with other benefits like most people being able to drive it in case of an emergency like stated in the other post.

I promise if you drove manual for a week straight, you would forget you were driving manual. I don't even notice half the time I shift, my body just does it. The only problem for me between my two cars (one manual, one automatic) is actually in reverse. When I go to engine brake in my Automatic car and slow down for a light, I go for the "clutch" just from muscle memory and then hit nothing but carpet, and I'm like "Oh..." Lol.
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MannerSaurus posted...

Aculo posted...

hmmm, i dunno, story is changing. not adding up here, ok?

Nothing has changed about my wife violently dying in the car, seated next to me you human scumbag.

hey, there's no reason to be nasty, ok?

also i never said that, so just calm yourself, ok?
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ok.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But you won't know what you need until you need it.

You'll know what you need based on what people mock you for.

LinkPizza posted...

Usually the case, but I think it's would be a little different here. Most of the board(I think, or maybe most of the regulars) were in the topic that he made. I've only been here about a month shy of a year, and I know who he is. That being said, I'm not sure if he ever disclosed her race.

I know who he is and his story too, still know nothing about her wife beyond the incident. Again, dude on the internet's RL relations aren't things that typically stick in people's heads.

lihlih posted...

Do you not have any reading comprehension at all? I even mentioned that a fit female would most likely be able to lift less than an average Male because of the sexual dimorphism. There are very few instances where a female would be able to lift more than a male.

It's still irrelevant. The same yard stick is entirely applicable in that circumstance. If you were using a different standard i.e. men are stronger than women full stop, you'd have a guy with cerebral papsy carry weight for the world's strongest woman. But you don't. The metric you use is "the stronger one lifts", which ignores sex.

darkknight109 posted...

Oh I can move a lever while pushing a pedal? And listen to when the sound of an engine is higher or lower in pitch? What a manly fucking man I am!

If that's what you think it is, you can't drive stick properly lol

darkknight109 posted...

Seriously, taking pride in someone being able to drive stick (especially when there is a nakedly more advanced option available - feel free to join us in the 21st century whenever you're ready!) is the most ridiculous thing ever. It's like saying "Anyone who uses electricity for lighting is a bitch; candlelight is the real way to do it."

It's more like mocking someone for ordering pizza when it's easy to make. You're free to waste your money, but putting in a little skill gets perfect returns.

darkknight109 posted...

Not to segue this topic into a different debate, but statistically you're keeping your family much safer if you don't have guns. Gun owners are statistically more likely to be victims of gun violence than non-gun owners.

A statistic that's distinctly American. Gun owners are more likely to commit gun crimes as they have a gun to commit the crime with, thus gun owners are more likely to decide to rob a liquor store at gunpoint?

It's misleading at best, you have no supporting reasoning to justify the lefty stance.

We're kind of saying the same thing, apparently. I'm saying that it'd be having different expectations of them because I'd much rather have an average male help with the lifting than an average or even an slightly above average female help with the lifting.
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MannerSaurus posted...

You don't have to drive a stick shift, it's just important to be able to know how to drive one. A man shouldn't be conquered by a simple machine. So yes, if you can't drive a standard shift, I think less of you as a man. I don't think you should legally be allowed to drive an Automatic car if you can't drive a Manual, because that means you don't understand torque and power curves of your car, shift points and torque converter lock ups, you don't know how to maintain powerband and down shift gear through a corner (left foot braking in auto, heel-toe in a manual since you have to rev match up throttle.) You make the car work for you, not the other way around.

I don't think anyone knows what the hell you're talking about. A power band goes on a stage.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If that's what you think it is, you can't drive stick properly lol

I don't really care if you think that's true, because it's also immaterial.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's more like mocking someone for ordering pizza when it's easy to make. You're free to waste your money, but putting in a little skill gets perfect returns.

In North America, automatics are cheaper to buy than standards because stick shift is now considered an extra option. And unless you happen to be driving through mountains every day, the fuel savings are negligible.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A statistic that's distinctly American. Gun owners are more likely to commit gun crimes as they have a gun to commit the crime with, thus gun owners are more likely to decide to rob a liquor store at gunpoint?

It's misleading at best, you have no supporting reasoning to justify the lefty stance.

Sure I do, but let's not bother derailing the topic with an unrelated debate, shall we?

MannerSaurus posted...

I don't think you should legally be allowed to drive an Automatic car if you can't drive a Manual, because that means you don't understand torque and power curves of your car, shift points and torque converter lock ups, you don't know how to maintain powerband and down shift gear through a corner (left foot braking in auto, heel-toe in a manual since you have to rev match up throttle.)

Be realistic though - 90+% of the population, especially those who never drive outside of cities, have absolutely no need for that knowledge. It would be like if I said that everyone should have to take an H2S Alive course, because of the phenomenal lethality and danger of H2S. It's lifesaving knowledge... if you happen to live and/or work near sour gas fields, and almost completely useless for everyone else.

MannerSaurus posted...

And Kyuubi4269 is right. That's nonsense. I would wager I am friends with hundreds of gun owners, including family members older and younger than me, and have worked with thousands over the last decade and a half, from range officers, to law enforcement and military, to safety instructors and legal instructors (things like USCCA) and not one, not ONE PERSON out of a THOUSAND people that I have at least been acquainted with has had a single incident with a firearm that was dangerous or unlawful, not even a negligent discharge at a gun range.

That's fine, but your personal anecdote is not a statistic. And, from a purely statistical point of view, it's unarguable that, yes, guns make your house *less* safe, not more.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's more like mocking someone for ordering pizza when it's easy to make. You're free to waste your money, but putting in a little skill gets perfect returns.

unless you have an oven capable of reaching pizza oven temperatures, it won't be perfect.
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darkknight109 posted...

In North America, automatics are cheaper to buy than standards because stick shift is now considered an extra option. And unless you happen to be driving through mountains every day, the fuel savings are negligible.

Automatics are heavier, the gears are heavier, and in older Automatics the gear ratio is far less efficient (slightly negated in newer cars). You lose power in the fluid transfer of power from start, and you will not always be in an optimal gear, nor will you have full control over economy shifting in the lower RPMs compared to a Manual (although Automatics *try* to guess that you want economy shift if your Throttle Position Sensor reads low enough). That isn't negligible if you're a good driver.

darkknight109 posted...

That's fine, but your personal anecdote is not a statistic. And, from a purely statistical point of view, it's unarguable that, yes, guns make your house *less* safe, not more.

"The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 19961998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995). .... CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals."
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MannerSaurus posted...

Automatics are heavier, the gears are heavier, and in older Automatics the gear ratio is far less efficient (slightly negated in newer cars). You lose power in the fluid transfer of power from start, and you will not always be in an optimal gear, nor will you have full control over economy shifting in the lower RPMs compared to a Manual (although Automatics *try* to guess that you want economy shift if your Throttle Position Sensor reads low enough). That isn't negligible if you're a good driver.

This argument would have been valid 20ish years ago, but it isn't anymore.

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html

MannerSaurus posted...

"The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 19961998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995). .... CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals."

First off, the Kleck-Gertz study is both 20 years out of date and has been long debunked as bullshit. They claimed that there were roughly 200k instances of a person defending themselves by shooting their attacker. Which is impressive, considering it's more than double the number of people who were killed or treated for gunshot wounds in emergency departments over the timeframe of the survey.

Secondly, your numbers are off. Guns are used about 6x more frequently for criminal purposes than for self-defence (which makes sense, when you think about it)

https://tinyurl.com/y8kwfl3o
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

What happened to "I don't need things for unlikely scenarios!"?

I never said that, so I don't know what you're talking about. I said that sometimes, there's nothing you can do. And that it would suck and stuff. And situation like that are rare. But there are other reasons for someone to drive you car. Like lending it to a family member like a spouse or child. That could be another reason someone would have to drive it. And it would suck if you had to lend it to them and they couldn't drive manual.

MannerSaurus posted...

I promise if you drove manual for a week straight, you would forget you were driving manual. I don't even notice half the time I shift, my body just does it.

I have. And it was still bad by the second week. I had to at work before. I hated having to drive those.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's more like mocking someone for ordering pizza when it's easy to make. You're free to waste your money, but putting in a little skill gets perfect returns.

unless you have an oven capable of reaching pizza oven temperatures, it won't be perfect.

It probably won't be cheaper, either. If you're only making one. You would still have to buy all the toppings and cheese and stuff. Lot's of pizza places have very cheap pizzas...
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Neither of what you just linked are credible sources. TWP is literally a Liberal outlet like Fox News is for Conservative. The FBI *JUST* released statistics after the Sandy Hook shooting, and the self-defense uses of firearms is much greater than firearm use in crime. Not necessarily fired in self defense, simply drawing a firearm or deterring crime with one.

Again, if you knew anything about cars, you would know why manuals are better in fuel economy. Some of what I listed isn't true in modern cars, but 90's- even 2005 100% of it is true. Although modern cars have more efficient gearing than in the 90s, planetary gearing in an Automatic is heavier gearing and you lose power through fluids. This is an undeniable fact of physics and you lose fuel economy because of it. Period. And, again there is no way to be in the most optimal gear 100% of the time like you can in a manual. (Unless you count semi-automatic clutchless sequential shifters like "Sport Mode" which is cheating.)
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DPsx7 posted...

I don't think anyone knows what the hell you're talking about. A power band goes on a stage.

darkknight109 posted...

In North America, automatics are cheaper to buy than standards because stick shift is now considered an extra option. And unless you happen to be driving through mountains every day, the fuel savings are negligible.

Manuals are cheaper regardless, you're just being robbed, and a clutch pedal makes mad savings on flats too.

darkknight109 posted...

Sure I do, but let's not bother derailing the topic with an unrelated debate, shall we?

You don't, otherwise you'd attempt to shut me up.

darkknight109 posted...

Be realistic though - 90+% of the population, especially those who never drive outside of cities, have absolutely no need for that knowledge.

It's invaluable for jumping lights and saving fuel in a jam.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

unless you have an oven capable of reaching pizza oven temperatures, it won't be perfect.

Build one, kiln building isn't hard either.

darkknight109 posted...

This argument would have been valid 20ish years ago, but it isn't anymore.

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html

1. Fuel economy tests are notoriously inaccurate, particularly when considering hypermiling techniques.
2. They agree.
3. Not even a real myth.
4. Same as above, but if it were real, it would contradict 3.
5. Who cares what teens want but GM looking to screw first time buyers?

darkknight109 posted...

First off, the Kleck-Gertz study is both 20 years out of date and has been long debunked as bullshit. They claimed that there were roughly 200k instances of a person defending themselves by shooting their attacker. Which is impressive, considering it's more than double the number of people who were killed or treated for gunshot wounds in emergency departments over the timeframe of the survey.

Secondly, your numbers are off. Guns are used about 6x more frequently for criminal purposes than for self-defence (which makes sense, when you think about it)

"That bullshit!"
*supplies 2 non-contradictory claims*
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I legit think you're my favorite poster Kyuubi4269. lol
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LinkPizza posted...

it would suck if you had to lend it to them and they couldn't drive manual.

Yeah, they should have learnt.

LinkPizza posted...

It probably won't be cheaper, either. If you're only making one. You would still have to buy all the toppings and cheese and stuff. Lot's of pizza places have very cheap pizzas...

Pizza is crazy cheap, have you never cooked before?
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You ever notice that Automatic and Manual cars of the same exact year/make/model/trim, the Automatic has a larger gap in BHP to WHP? (How much Horse Power the engine is making and then how much of that power is actually making it to the street with your drive wheels)?* Do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE IS MORE POWER LOSS THROUGH THE FLUIDS AND GEARS IN AN AUTOMATIC BECAUSE THAT'S HOW PHYSICS WORKS. And that same science is why you have worse fuel economy, even if only slightly. And then, again, optimal gear and power band usage if you're a skilled driver.

*In modern cars, Automatic variants are actually faster on a drag strip sometimes now, because Horse Power isn't everything. Modern Automatics have much more aggressive gearing than they used to, and very quick shifts making them ideal for straight-line racing. But they are slightly worse fuel economy and lower wheel HP.
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MannerSaurus posted...

I legit think you're my favorite poster Kyuubi4269. lol

bro.


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...
The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas.

is that a real fucking quote?
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MannerSaurus posted...

TWP is literally a Liberal outlet like Fox News is for Conservative.

Ad hominem arguments aren't going to get you very far, you know. More to the point, the research you're objecting to wasn't even done by the Post themselves - they're just reporting on it. The actual research was done by Harvard, based on federal surveys.

Just because something shows up on a news site you don't like doesn't mean it isn't true.

MannerSaurus posted...

The FBI *JUST* released statistics after the Sandy Hook shooting, and the self-defense uses of firearms is much greater than firearm use in crime. Not necessarily fired in self defense, simply drawing a firearm or deterring crime with one.

Source?

MannerSaurus posted...

Some of what I listed isn't true in modern cars, but 90's- even 2005 100% of it is true.

If you've still got a car from the 90s kicking around, the best way to optimize fuel economy is to get a new car. Manual or automatic, fuel economy is far better today than it was 20 years ago.

Keep in mind your original point was that men (and not women, for some reason) should know how to drive standard, just because. Citing 20 year old vehicles doesn't serve that argument very well, because anyone learning to drive now is going to be dealing with mostly modern vehicles, the overwhelming majority of which are now automatic. And the old advantages to driving stick are largely being nullified by new technology, as I've already pointed out.

MannerSaurus posted...

Although modern cars have more efficient gearing than in the 90s, planetary gearing in an Automatic is heavier gearing and you lose power through fluids. This is an undeniable fact of physics and you lose fuel economy because of it. Period. And, again there is no way to be in the most optimal gear 100% of the time like you can in a manual. (Unless you count semi-automatic clutchless sequential shifters like "Sport Mode" which is cheating.)

Sure, but you're arguing over effects that will save you pennies on the dollar, if that, on your gas bill because the effects are incredibly small unless you're routinely driving long haul. You might save a buck or two per tank of gas, which most people will agree isn't anything to get excited about.

I mean, I could save an equivalent amount by giving up lighting my house with electricity and relying on torchlight instead, using wood gathered from outside my house, but at some point convenience is going to win out over cost efficiency.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You don't, otherwise you'd attempt to shut me up.

Sorry doll, you're not worth that much of my time.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's invaluable for jumping lights and saving fuel in a jam.

In the roughly half-million kilometres I've driven over the course of my life, I have never once thought to myself, Man, I am in a major bind! If only I was driving stick....

If you want to talk about being a skilled driver, maybe don't let your fuel get so low in the first place.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

"That bullshit!"
*supplies 2 non-contradictory claims*

Right, I forgot that when criminals are shot with guns they fade into smoke like RPG villains. They certainly wouldn't wind up in a morgue somewhere or in the hospital with a sepsis infection. Clearly that's why literally hundreds of thousands of criminals are getting shot, yet apparently somehow not showing up on any official records.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yeah, they should have learnt.

Maybe they're still learning. Or maybe they are having lots of trouble doing it. Or maybe they don't want to.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Pizza is crazy cheap, have you never cooked before?

I have cooked. But I know certain things can be expensive sometimes. Cheese can. So can certain toppings. Like certain meats and such. Or I can get like a $5 pizza, which would be cheaper.
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Yes, and biased research statistics that intentionally include or omit information to skew results, it isn't "true" either, son.
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Aculo posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...
The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas.

is that a real fucking quote?

All of my sig quotes are real, ok?

darkknight109 posted...

In the roughly half-million kilometres I've driven over the course of my life, I have never once thought to myself, Man, I am in a major bind! If only I was driving stick....

Because you don't know wtf you're doing.

darkknight109 posted...

If you want to talk about being a skilled driver, maybe don't let your fuel get so low in the first place.

A good driver doesn't need to hold excess wet weight.

LinkPizza posted...

Maybe they're still learning.

Maybe they shouldn't be borrowing your car.

LinkPizza posted...

Or maybe they are having lots of trouble doing it.

Maybe they should git gud.

LinkPizza posted...

Or maybe they don't want to.

Maybe they should walk.
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LinkPizza posted...

I have cooked. But I know certain things can be expensive sometimes. Cheese can. So can certain toppings. Like certain meats and such. Or I can get like a $5 pizza, which would be cheaper.

Cheese is expensive, but you're not putting a kilo on one pizza. Toppings, again, expensive in full containers, not so much in serving sizes. Your $5 pizza would barely be $1 ingredients.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Maybe they shouldn't be borrowing your car.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Maybe they should git gud.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Maybe they should walk.

Well, maybe for you. I know sometimes I ask for help from my family. And sometimes, they ask me for help, too. I'd rather help my family if they need it. So, I'll stick with Auto. And maybe others feel the same way. I'm not saying that Auto is good for everyone, but for some. The point still stands that a benefit is that more people could drive it if the need arises...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I have cooked. But I know certain things can be expensive sometimes. Cheese can. So can certain toppings. Like certain meats and such. Or I can get like a $5 pizza, which would be cheaper.

Cheese is expensive, but you're not putting a kilo on one pizza. Toppings, again, expensive in full containers, not so much in serving sizes. Your $5 pizza would barely be $1 ingredients.

I don't see how that's possible. Also, I like a lot of cheese on my pizza. Buying the ingredients seem like they would cost more than the pizza in most cases. Especially the cheese. Though, I guess it depends on how you buy it. If you buy it shredded, those bags of it are kind of expensive. It is cheaper in block form, IIRC. And it depends on the bag or block size. But I think I could get a pizza for like a buck of two more than the cheese for a pizza would cost. Of course, it would also depend on where you get the cheese from, as well...
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Because you don't know wtf you're doing.

More because I'm smart enough not to get myself in situations where the difference between me making it to a gas station and me running out of gas in the middle of traffic is a litre of fuel.

That's just basic intelligent driving. If you're cutting things that close, circumstances entirely beyond your control - like an accident, or just heavy traffic - risk leaving you high and dry.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A good driver doesn't need to hold excess wet weight.

Settle down there, Sparky, we're talking about driving to the grocery store, not heading into the last lap of the Daytona 500.
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