Current Events > Hypothetical: Should a clone of Hitler be punished for the original's actions?

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DK9292
10/09/18 4:16:58 PM
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What do you think, CE?
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darkphoenix181
10/09/18 4:17:20 PM
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No.
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Dash_Harber
10/09/18 4:19:38 PM
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No. People should only be punished for actions they take.

There are a lot of questions left unanswered, though, in this scenario;
- Does the clone carry the memories of the original?
- Did the clone 'grow up' independent of his proginetor's childhood?
- Is the clone aware of Hitler's actions?
And so much more.
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creativerealms
10/09/18 4:19:48 PM
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No let the clone of Hitler go to art school.
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darkphoenix181
10/09/18 4:21:41 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
No. People should only be punished for actions they take.

There are a lot of questions left unanswered, though, in this scenario;
- Does the clone carry the memories of the original?
- Did the clone 'grow up' independent of his proginetor's childhood?
- Is the clone aware of Hitler's actions?
And so much more.


Cloning works the same as having a baby.

There is no such thing as cloning into adulthood with intact memory.

Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.
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Ricemills
10/09/18 4:25:57 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?
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darkphoenix181
10/09/18 4:30:07 PM
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Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?


They are literally their child. The big difference is they have 100% the clone person dna rather than having only parts of it and another persons.
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PiOverlord
10/09/18 4:39:47 PM
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What about the case of teleporting via cloning?
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darkphoenix181
10/09/18 4:41:44 PM
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PiOverlord posted...
What about the case of teleporting via cloning?


How would that work without the ability to make an adult clone with memory intact?
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DarkTransient
10/09/18 4:41:45 PM
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If it's a clone, no, that's really a seperate person who just shares the same DNA.

If it's literally the actual Hitler brought back to life, then of course.
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MrNintendo1213
10/09/18 4:45:43 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
PiOverlord posted...
What about the case of teleporting via cloning?


How would that work without the ability to make an adult clone with memory intact?


It wouldn't. That's what he is talking about. Like in Star Trek, the "beaming up" is just destroying their body and making an exact copy sonewhere else.
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HiddenLurker
10/09/18 4:49:12 PM
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If the only thing they share is DNA no.
If memories yes.
Punishing a biological clone with no history sounds like the fastest way to get a Hitler 2, WWIV edition.
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darkphoenix181
10/09/18 4:51:57 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
PiOverlord posted...
What about the case of teleporting via cloning?


How would that work without the ability to make an adult clone with memory intact?


It wouldn't. That's what he is talking about. Like in Star Trek, the "beaming up" is just destroying their body and making an exact copy sonewhere else.


Well I don't think you can punish a clone hitler like that for crimes he never actually did.

You can however assume and prove he shares the same toxic thinking and force him into a reform program and prevent him from having power to hurt people.
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Dash_Harber
10/09/18 6:43:41 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No. People should only be punished for actions they take.

There are a lot of questions left unanswered, though, in this scenario;
- Does the clone carry the memories of the original?
- Did the clone 'grow up' independent of his proginetor's childhood?
- Is the clone aware of Hitler's actions?
And so much more.


Cloning works the same as having a baby.

There is no such thing as cloning into adulthood with intact memory.

Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


I know, I was just trying to set the rules for this fantasy scenario.

Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?


No, because a child is the offspring of two people. They contain the genetic material of two separate individuals. A clone is just one set. Therefore, a clone is a clone and nothing else.

MrNintendo1213 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
PiOverlord posted...
What about the case of teleporting via cloning?


How would that work without the ability to make an adult clone with memory intact?


It wouldn't. That's what he is talking about. Like in Star Trek, the "beaming up" is just destroying their body and making an exact copy sonewhere else.


I'm like 99% certain that is just fanon. IIRC, nothing in the entire series ever even remotely hints at this being the case.
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Zikten
10/09/18 6:52:43 PM
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nemu
10/09/18 6:55:01 PM
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No. Anyone who says that has no idea how cloning works in real life. Now, if he starts trying to create an uprising to kill Jews, sure. And even if super science could bring someone back to life, it would be unethical to do that just to make them suffer.
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Devil_Katt_II
10/09/18 7:11:08 PM
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no that would be awful
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Ricemills
10/09/18 7:54:15 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?


They are literally their child. The big difference is they have 100% the clone person dna rather than having only parts of it and another persons.


and that part is also an argument point for siblings, as a "child" will inherit the genes of their parents. a clone is a literal copy, therefore also has the inherited genes from progenitor's parents.

let's say you copy a folder, will that copy be a sub folder or another folder of same level?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/09/18 7:57:41 PM
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Considering there are no cloned people, I don't see the point in trying to shoehorn it into a category like that, I'd say it's separate into a "new" category. ie just clone.

That said, I'd still say it's the informal child of the mother that gestated it.
Of course with cloned plants, they're just clones. Not progeny but the original is often called the mother.
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TheOlJollyRoger
10/09/18 7:58:15 PM
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Just overwrite the clones memory with your own. Boom immortality and upgrades
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TheOlJollyRoger
10/09/18 7:58:52 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Considering there are no cloned people, I don't see the point in trying to shoehorn it into a category like that, I'd say it's separate into a "new" category. ie just clone.

That said, I'd still say it's the informal child of the mother that gestated it.
Of course with cloned plants, they're just clones. Not progeny but the original is often called the mother.

There are already human clones.
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ultimate reaver
10/09/18 8:01:08 PM
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Is he tiny and a perfect clone or a perfect copy
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darkphoenix181
10/09/18 8:01:17 PM
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Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?


They are literally their child. The big difference is they have 100% the clone person dna rather than having only parts of it and another persons.


and that part is also an argument point for siblings, as a "child" will inherit the genes of their parents. a clone is a literal copy, therefore also has the inherited genes from progenitor's parents.

let's say you copy a folder, will that copy be a sub folder or another folder of same level?


I mean, your sibling doesn't inherit anything from you. Your clone on the other hand does.
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Ricemills
10/09/18 8:01:38 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Considering there are no cloned people, I don't see the point in trying to shoehorn it into a category like that, I'd say it's separate into a "new" category. ie just clone.

That said, I'd still say it's the informal child of the mother that gestated it.
Of course with cloned plants, they're just clones. Not progeny but the original is often called the mother.

I think I agree with your statement that a clone should be just clone, not a sibling or child.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/09/18 8:02:39 PM
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TheOlJollyRoger posted...
There are already human clones.


Walking among us, infiltrating and taking over the lives of the original, working as expendable fodder for despots weary of assassination plots!
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Tyranthraxus
10/09/18 8:02:57 PM
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In the Paranoia RPG, which is an extremely dystopian oppressive society where almost every single offense gets you executed on the spot, you get "6" clones. If you get executed, you're replaced by your clone and your clone is considered blameless.
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DK9292
10/09/18 8:03:00 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?


They are literally their child. The big difference is they have 100% the clone person dna rather than having only parts of it and another persons.


and that part is also an argument point for siblings, as a "child" will inherit the genes of their parents. a clone is a literal copy, therefore also has the inherited genes from progenitor's parents.

let's say you copy a folder, will that copy be a sub folder or another folder of same level?


I mean, your sibling doesn't inherit anything from you. Your clone on the other hand does.

Way I see it, it's more like twins than children or siblings.
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SH_expert44
10/09/18 8:03:49 PM
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but the clone is literally hitler.
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Antifar
10/09/18 8:04:44 PM
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I don't think genetics were the cause of Hitler's crimes.
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Dash_Harber
10/09/18 8:15:17 PM
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SH_expert44 posted...
but the clone is literally hitler.


Not if he was raised as someone else.

Antifar posted...
I don't think genetics were the cause of Hitler's crimes.


This is really important, as well. Well he's entirely responsible for the choices he made, and was without a doubt one of the most unabashedly evil historical figures, the environment shaped his ideas much more than some genetic predisposition towards antisemitism.
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Ricemills
10/09/18 8:15:41 PM
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DK9292 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?


They are literally their child. The big difference is they have 100% the clone person dna rather than having only parts of it and another persons.


and that part is also an argument point for siblings, as a "child" will inherit the genes of their parents. a clone is a literal copy, therefore also has the inherited genes from progenitor's parents.

let's say you copy a folder, will that copy be a sub folder or another folder of same level?


I mean, your sibling doesn't inherit anything from you. Your clone on the other hand does.

Way I see it, it's more like twins than children or siblings.


aren't twins siblings?
well, this is why I asked my question.
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DK9292
10/09/18 8:17:09 PM
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Ricemills posted...
DK9292 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Ricemills posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.


this makes me curious, are clones considered as the children or the sibling of the progenitor?


They are literally their child. The big difference is they have 100% the clone person dna rather than having only parts of it and another persons.


and that part is also an argument point for siblings, as a "child" will inherit the genes of their parents. a clone is a literal copy, therefore also has the inherited genes from progenitor's parents.

let's say you copy a folder, will that copy be a sub folder or another folder of same level?


I mean, your sibling doesn't inherit anything from you. Your clone on the other hand does.

Way I see it, it's more like twins than children or siblings.


aren't twins siblings?
well, this is why I asked my question.

Yeah, but I mean how my sister and I, while we both inherited our parents genes, inherited them slightly differently.

Twins are (as I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong) one being that divided into two in the womb, and as such as almost perfect genetic matches to one another.
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Laserion
10/11/18 5:09:33 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Basically the clone is hitler's biological son.

Or time-delayed twin.
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Laserion
10/11/18 5:13:32 PM
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HiddenLurker posted...
If the only thing they share is DNA no.
If memories yes.

What if he has Hitler's memories, but knows they are not his own, like the Goa'uld?
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__aCEr__
10/11/18 5:16:31 PM
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Why clone a guy just to give him the death penalty?
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